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SSjin 3 Gogeta vs. Gotenks-Boo
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Topic Started: Oct 4 2012, 01:49 PM (8,062 Views)
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Oct 11 2012, 09:57 PM
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- Oct 11 2012, 09:03 PM
Demonstrating he knew the ki was a lie doesnt attest to him identifying it despite it being super boo after he emerged from the rosat.
It didnt matter where GOKU was, he couldnt sense them in the rosat dimension, so elder kai brought out the globe.
The metamorrans dont have to mention some lore an ELDER GOD made up, they KNOW fusion gets you stronger as does goku who has already done the math. Obviously he had no issues with him and fusing with anyone else. He even considered Satan.
(just saiyan)
The rival fusion boost is made between two of the strongest powers, minus gohan and the boys even in the anime that left the humans (specifically kurirn and yamucha, maybe its because tien couldnt be found? who knows.), AT retold his own story for a reason in that anime, no clue to why, just saiyan.
So basically what you're saying is Goku didn't know about the rival boost at all, but Fusion has it regardless?
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Oct 11 2012, 09:58 PM
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That would be like Master Roshi saying that the Kamehameha doesn't have a multiplier o,o
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Oct 11 2012, 10:35 PM
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I'm still in favor of Metamorian technique getting a rival's boost...
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Oct 11 2012, 11:31 PM
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- Kamikaze Pyro
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- Oct 11 2012, 01:10 AM
- Slayerslice
- Oct 11 2012, 12:03 AM
Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you. Except when he's right and you're wrong and maybe you're the one in denial?
imo.
Spoiler: click to toggle In all seriousness, you've provided literally no evidence whatsoever other than showing us opinionated power chains. Remember the posts what I provided for Trunks and Goten? And you had to wait for Kamikaze to rescue you out of your own mess?
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Base Gohan > SSJ Goten.Enough said
Gohan transformed before Goten, remember? Stop using debunked evidence or I will report you. - Slayerslice
- Oct 11 2012, 02:44 PM
M12 came out around the same time as Super Buu, Super Janemba has to be equal to Super Buu if not stronger, Super Gogeta tanked a full power punch to his face and 1-shotted him with Soul Punisher, same Vegeta as from canon, Canon Vegeta was still enough to 1-shot a villain that was destroying SSJ3 Goku as no one did before.
You agree SSJ Gogeta > Super Buu? If you do then the answer is clear.
Then we just need simple math to say that SSJ3 Gogeta would be overkill against Buutenks.
But you're blatantly ignoring Goku's word on Fat Janemba. He was the greatest chi Goku had sensed, not Toei. What was the greatest chi Goku had sensed up until then? Initial Super Boo, not full power Super Boo. There is a thunderous difference between the two levels of power. This is not evidence that SSjin Gogeta is above Super Boo overall. SSjin3 Gotenks >/> Super Boo >>> SSjin2 Gotenks >>> SSjin Gotenks (post) >>> Initial Super Boo > Base Gotenks (post) That's a big gap, and Janemba can easily fit in there. None of the Gotenks' (Except SSJ3) would blow Goku SSJ3 up like Super Janemba did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-kKMCbErz4
^ Stop, threatening me with a report or I will report you.
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Oct 11 2012, 11:41 PM
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- Oct 11 2012, 02:40 PM
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- Oct 11 2012, 12:03 AM
Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you. Except when he's right and you're wrong and maybe you're the one in denial?
imo.
Spoiler: click to toggle In all seriousness, you've provided literally no evidence whatsoever other than showing us opinionated power chains. Remember the posts what I provided for Trunks and Goten? And you had to wait for Kamikaze to rescue you out of your own mess?
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Base Gohan > SSJ Goten.Enough said .......what?
I thought I debunked you on that kids crap long ago...KP just so happened to be saying the same thing.
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Oct 11 2012, 11:43 PM
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I personally think Gogeta would win
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Oct 11 2012, 11:44 PM
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- Oct 11 2012, 11:31 PM
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- Slayerslice
- Oct 11 2012, 02:40 PM
- Kyouka Suigetsu
- Oct 11 2012, 01:10 AM
- Slayerslice
- Oct 11 2012, 12:03 AM
Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you. Except when he's right and you're wrong and maybe you're the one in denial?
imo.
Spoiler: click to toggle In all seriousness, you've provided literally no evidence whatsoever other than showing us opinionated power chains. Remember the posts what I provided for Trunks and Goten? And you had to wait for Kamikaze to rescue you out of your own mess?
Yeah..
Base Gohan > SSJ Goten.Enough said
Gohan transformed before Goten, remember? Stop using debunked evidence or I will report you. - Slayerslice
- Oct 11 2012, 02:44 PM
M12 came out around the same time as Super Buu, Super Janemba has to be equal to Super Buu if not stronger, Super Gogeta tanked a full power punch to his face and 1-shotted him with Soul Punisher, same Vegeta as from canon, Canon Vegeta was still enough to 1-shot a villain that was destroying SSJ3 Goku as no one did before.
You agree SSJ Gogeta > Super Buu? If you do then the answer is clear.
Then we just need simple math to say that SSJ3 Gogeta would be overkill against Buutenks.
But you're blatantly ignoring Goku's word on Fat Janemba. He was the greatest chi Goku had sensed, not Toei. What was the greatest chi Goku had sensed up until then? Initial Super Boo, not full power Super Boo. There is a thunderous difference between the two levels of power. This is not evidence that SSjin Gogeta is above Super Boo overall. SSjin3 Gotenks >/> Super Boo >>> SSjin2 Gotenks >>> SSjin Gotenks (post) >>> Initial Super Boo > Base Gotenks (post) That's a big gap, and Janemba can easily fit in there.
None of the Gotenks' (Except SSJ3) would blow Goku SSJ3 up like Super Janemba did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-kKMCbErz4^ Stop, threatening me with a report or I will report you. Where's your evidence, then?
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Oct 11 2012, 11:46 PM
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Super Janemba is my evidence, Vegito is evidence, Goku and Vegeta is evidence, they are stronger then the kids in their base, no doubt about that.
If Vegeta considered Gohan ''weak'' in his fight vs. Dabura and Goten is even weaker then that Gohan, 15 days in RoSat won't make much of a difference (It was significant for Gotenks), Gohan's potential is higher then Goten yet he didn't level up in the 3years that Goten did in 15 days, wouldn't Gohan be a Super Saiyan back then already? (Android Saga)
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Oct 11 2012, 11:49 PM
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Super Janemba is my evidence, Vegito is evidence, Goku and Vegeta is evidence, they are stronger then the kids in their base, no doubt about that. That's not evidence. Do you know the definition of evidence? You're just saying things to say them without explaining why you're saying them.
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Oct 11 2012, 11:51 PM
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Super Janemba is my evidence, Vegito is evidence, Goku and Vegeta is evidence, they are stronger then the kids in their base, no doubt about that.
That's not evidence. Do you know the definition of evidence? You're just saying things to say them without explaining why you're saying them. Did you check the video yet?
You said Gohan transformed before Goten. And don't come with some unrelevant scene where Gohan is Super Saiyan and Goten is throwing rocks.
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Oct 11 2012, 11:57 PM
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- Oct 11 2012, 11:46 PM
Super Janemba is my evidence, Vegito is evidence, Goku and Vegeta is evidence, they are stronger then the kids in their base, no doubt about that.
If Vegeta considered Gohan ''weak'' in his fight vs. Dabura and Goten is even weaker then that Gohan, 15 days in RoSat won't make much of a difference (It was significant for Gotenks), Gohan's potential is higher then Goten yet he didn't level up in the 3years that Goten did in 15 days, wouldn't Gohan be a Super Saiyan back then already? (Android Saga)
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If Vegeta considered Gohan ''weak'' in his fight vs. Dabura and Goten is even weaker then that Gohan, 15 days in RoSat won't make much of a difference (It was significant for Gotenks), Gohan's potential is higher then Goten yet he didn't level up in the 3years that Goten did in 15 days, wouldn't Gohan be a Super Saiyan back then already? (Android Saga)
We know the kids are weak compared to Goku and Vegeta pre-RoSaT. We're arguing that they aren't multi-fold weaker like you're claiming. There's no need for that big of a gap just because you may not like the kids or think it's logical that they're as powerful as they are, but it's not your story to decide that.
Goten/Trunks Pre: 0.85 Gohan: 1 Vegeta PM: 1.3 Goku/Majin Vegeta: 1.75
That's not a hard gap for the kids to get 20-30+% stronger, especially since they'd never encountered training like that and based on similar situations with training, they'd get bigger boosts than normal.
And I was talking about you claiming no version of Gotenks except SSjin3 would beat Goku like Janemba did. That's completely false. M12 Goku is a lot stronger than his canon counterpart, but post-RoSaT Gotenks is also multi-fold stronger than his pre-RoSaT counterpart. SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) would be more than enough to stomp M12 SSjin3 Goku. Goku had to give it pretty much all he had to pound Fat Janemba, who's noticeably stronger than Initial Super Boo, to dust, so he's not multi-fold that power. SSjin Gotenks (post) is multi-fold Initial Super Boo's power, and hence multi-fold M12 SSjin3 Goku's power.
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Oct 11 2012, 11:58 PM
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- Oct 11 2012, 11:51 PM
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Super Janemba is my evidence, Vegito is evidence, Goku and Vegeta is evidence, they are stronger then the kids in their base, no doubt about that.
That's not evidence. Do you know the definition of evidence? You're just saying things to say them without explaining why you're saying them.
Did you check the video yet? You said Gohan transformed before Goten. And don't come with some unrelevant scene where Gohan is Super Saiyan and Goten is throwing rocks. Wow, filler. If that's what you're relying on, Mr. Popo > SSjin Goten.
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Oct 12 2012, 12:04 AM
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Sorry but 15 days won't make any of the kids > Gohan.
Random numbers again..
That's how your numbers are comparing strength, well I don't regard the 15 days as a great increase for the kids, but more for Gotenks.
Adults only 2x the strength of kids? I am assuming you are comparing SSJ forms to the base of adults.
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Oct 12 2012, 12:05 AM
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Super Janemba is my evidence, Vegito is evidence, Goku and Vegeta is evidence, they are stronger then the kids in their base, no doubt about that.
That's not evidence. Do you know the definition of evidence? You're just saying things to say them without explaining why you're saying them.
Did you check the video yet? You said Gohan transformed before Goten. And don't come with some unrelevant scene where Gohan is Super Saiyan and Goten is throwing rocks.
Wow, filler. If that's what you're relying on, Mr. Popo > SSjin Goten. Kai didn't think it was filler enough to cut it out. Mr. Popo scene wasn't relevant, Gohan was still dodging and blocking punches from Goten and Gohan went 1x serious mode and knocked Goten down and out of his SSJ.
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Oct 12 2012, 12:07 AM
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Sorry but 15 days won't make any of the kids > Gohan.
Why not? There wasn't a big difference to begin with. Just because Gotenks was the only one stated to have made a huge gain doesn't mean the kids didn't either.
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Adults only 2x the strength of kids? I am assuming you are comparing SSJ forms to the base of adults.
No, because I'm not using some silly filler scene to fuel my belief. I'm using what's in the manga, where Gohan transformed before Goten and then both were on an even playing field. Even if you wanted to use that filler, it's contradictory to what's shown later when the kids shock Piccolo with their power, unless you think Base Gohan >>> Piccolo for some reason.
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