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SSjin 3 Gogeta vs. Gotenks-Boo
Topic Started: Oct 4 2012, 01:49 PM (8,063 Views)
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Slayerslice
Oct 9 2012, 12:49 AM
Super Gogeta > Super Buu/Gotenks SSJ3 imo.
SSJ3 Gogeta > Buuhan by default.


Super Gogeta > Super Buu/Gotenks SSJ3 imo.

imo

Guys, I concede. He's provided evidence. Even I can't deny that.
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Super Gogeta > Super Vegetto imo.
SSjin3 Gogeta > Gohan-Boo by default.

Super Gogeta > Super Boo/Gotenks SSjin3 imo.

If we just put "imo" after all of our posts, it's automatically right.
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But SSJ Gogeta IS stronger then SSJ3 Gotenks lol. There is no denying that, if you do. You are in denial.
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If that's your proof, here's mine: SSjin Gogeta > SSjin3 Vegetto. Denying that means you're in denial.
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Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you.
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Slayerslice
Oct 11 2012, 12:03 AM
Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you.
Except when he's right and you're wrong and maybe you're the one in denial?

imo.

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In all seriousness, you've provided literally no evidence whatsoever other than showing us opinionated power chains.
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Slayerslice
Oct 11 2012, 12:03 AM
Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you.
Why you fumin'? Calm down!

I don't care if people like my posts or not. I'm not telling them to. If you're going to pull out crap and say anybody who disagrees is in denial, I'm going to do the same. We're either both right or both wrong. You choose.
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Oct 11 2012, 01:10 AM
Slayerslice
Oct 11 2012, 12:03 AM
Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you.
Except when he's right and you're wrong and maybe you're the one in denial?

imo.

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In all seriousness, you've provided literally no evidence whatsoever other than showing us opinionated power chains.
Remember the posts what I provided for Trunks and Goten?
And you had to wait for Kamikaze to rescue you out of your own mess?

Yeah..

Base Gohan > SSJ Goten.

Enough said
Edited by Slayerslice, Oct 11 2012, 02:41 PM.
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M12 came out around the same time as Super Buu, Super Janemba has to be equal to Super Buu if not stronger, Super Gogeta tanked a full power punch to his face and 1-shotted him with Soul Punisher, same Vegeta as from canon, Canon Vegeta was still enough to 1-shot a villain that was destroying SSJ3 Goku as no one did before.


You agree SSJ Gogeta > Super Buu?
If you do then the answer is clear.

Then we just need simple math to say that SSJ3 Gogeta would be overkill against Buutenks.
Edited by Slayerslice, Oct 11 2012, 02:46 PM.
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Slayerslice
Oct 11 2012, 02:40 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Oct 11 2012, 01:10 AM
Slayerslice
Oct 11 2012, 12:03 AM
Shutup Kamikaze, getting people to like your posts, when 1+1 is = still 2 and not 3 doesn't matter how many people agree with you.
Except when he's right and you're wrong and maybe you're the one in denial?

imo.

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In all seriousness, you've provided literally no evidence whatsoever other than showing us opinionated power chains.
Remember the posts what I provided for Trunks and Goten?
And you had to wait for Kamikaze to rescue you out of your own mess?

Yeah..

Base Gohan > SSJ Goten.

Enough said

Gohan transformed before Goten, remember? Stop using debunked evidence or I will report you.
Slayerslice
Oct 11 2012, 02:44 PM
M12 came out around the same time as Super Buu, Super Janemba has to be equal to Super Buu if not stronger, Super Gogeta tanked a full power punch to his face and 1-shotted him with Soul Punisher, same Vegeta as from canon, Canon Vegeta was still enough to 1-shot a villain that was destroying SSJ3 Goku as no one did before.


You agree SSJ Gogeta > Super Buu?
If you do then the answer is clear.

Then we just need simple math to say that SSJ3 Gogeta would be overkill against Buutenks.

But you're blatantly ignoring Goku's word on Fat Janemba. He was the greatest chi Goku had sensed, not Toei. What was the greatest chi Goku had sensed up until then? Initial Super Boo, not full power Super Boo. There is a thunderous difference between the two levels of power. This is not evidence that SSjin Gogeta is above Super Boo overall.

SSjin3 Gotenks >/> Super Boo >>> SSjin2 Gotenks >>> SSjin Gotenks (post) >>> Initial Super Boo > Base Gotenks (post)

That's a big gap, and Janemba can easily fit in there.
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Fact: SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ Gogeta.

Why?

Because I said so.

Lol.
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Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
The Funi Dub that says SSJ3 Goku is weaker but still in the same playing field as SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu has Kid Buu as the most dangerous buu not the strongest.
Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.
I have a question if this is true...

Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.

doesn't this make Kid Buu the strongest regardless of the fact in the manga (specifically SSJ Vegito vs Buuhan)?

Hm? I apologize, but I don't understand your question. :(
Paikuan extreme
Oct 5 2012, 02:04 PM
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Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
No one here has denied manga rules gogeta being to weak to fight boohan.

But gogeta already has an advantage over the boys, and its a wide gap of power.

There isnt any reason to try and dissect a simple fact.

full power vegeta>>>full power goten and trunks.

why that is ignored in this fusion i dont know, but it doesnt limit the fact that the rival factor between two of the strongest powers in the universe is real, and its why fusion is so strong for them.

Its still goku and vegeta no matter what story you tell, manga gogeta wouldnt be that much weaker than vegetto, minus the efficiency of the potarra process they arent missing anything else.

anyone that thinks vegeta vs kid boo is stronger than vegeta vs fat boo you are mistaken.

vegeta was the same strenght when he died, and in movie 12 when he was dead he was called up from hell by yemma to take care of this threat. So in the manga and the movie its yemmas fault vegeta is there. Same vegeta, same power.

Canon gogeta is movie gogeta. To ssj2 capable saiyans both as strong as goku (not vegeta) and a saiyan whos max power is ssj3 will not be denied. The boys at max power in fusion were as strong as goku in ssj3, thats the coldest hax in the whole comic book.

You're claiming Gogeta gets a rival boost now?
there is no NOW, the elder kai was clear, do you always just take established rules and apply them only when you want to?

elder kai spoke on the reason the rival boost exists in the first place, and it wasnt because of the earrings, its because of the connection of two of the strongest powers in the universe. You have read it a thousand times by now, dont play with me.

what he said was clear cut. FUSION does this, all the potarras are is a different process thats permanent, and not temporary.

The rival boost comes from fusion, not the earrings.
Looks like the rival boost comes out because of the merging method to me. Do you always just make up things to play into your beliefs? I must be a humongous Goku hater to think he didn't mention rival boost from the Fusion Dance because there wasn't one.
what? how on earth would goku mention a rival boost when he wouldnt even know what to call it?

and did he ATTEST to fusion being that strong? obviously the WEAK metamorrans iN fusion provided goku with the proof he needed to believe that the dance was the truth.

rival boost is what elder kai called it, hes a god. No where does it not say the merging of two powers doesnt create a rival fusion. But said the two STRONGEST powers, create a rival fusion.

if anything SAYING rival fusion implies some sort of mental note between goku and vegeta being frenemies.

Thats NOT the truth.

Goku didnt even get to fuse UNTIl the potarras, he saw what the dance can do with his own eyes, if it didnt add power then what good is it?

rival boost= the reason why gotenks got so strong, rival boost = why base gotenks after fusing in SSj for the first time went from being around vegetas power vs boo, to SSj3 goku vs boo. Without training.

RIVAL BOOST.

Youre splitting hairs pyrus, goku didnt even feel Super boos power until he was fully powered after emerging from the rosat dimension.

if boo wasnt at full power after yelling a hole through the universe? then he was NEVER at full power.
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what? how on earth would goku mention a rival boost when he wouldnt even know what to call it?

and did he ATTEST to fusion being that strong? obviously the WEAK metamorrans iN fusion provided goku with the proof he needed to believe that the dance was the truth.

rival boost is what elder kai called it, hes a god. No where does it not say the merging of two powers doesnt create a rival fusion. But said the two STRONGEST powers, create a rival fusion.

if anything SAYING rival fusion implies some sort of mental note between goku and vegeta being frenemies.

Thats NOT the truth.

Goku didnt even get to fuse UNTIl the potarras, he saw what the dance can do with his own eyes, if it didnt add power then what good is it?

rival boost= the reason why gotenks got so strong, rival boost = why base gotenks after fusing in SSj for the first time went from being around vegetas power vs boo, to SSj3 goku vs boo. Without training.

RIVAL BOOST.

The Metamorans would know what the rival boost was considering they created the technique. They would've told Goku about such a thing, unless you think they were either idiots or *****. So if Goku knew about rival boost from Fusion, he would've had some idea of it for Potara, no?
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Youre splitting hairs pyrus, goku didnt even feel Super boos power until he was fully powered after emerging from the rosat dimension.

if boo wasnt at full power after yelling a hole through the universe? then he was NEVER at full power.

Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P3.1
Goku: “…This is Majin Boo, right? This ki…what is it?...”
Note: mostly I wanted to point out that Goku and co. can sense evil Boo from the Kaioshin Realm.

That's after Super Boo formed, before he even went up to the Lookout.
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Demonstrating he knew the ki was a lie doesnt attest to him identifying it despite it being super boo after he emerged from the rosat.

It didnt matter where GOKU was, he couldnt sense them in the rosat dimension, so elder kai brought out the globe.

The metamorrans dont have to mention some lore an ELDER GOD made up, they KNOW fusion gets you stronger as does goku who has already done the math. Obviously he had no issues with him and fusing with anyone else. He even considered Satan.

(just saiyan)

The rival fusion boost is made between two of the strongest powers, minus gohan and the boys even in the anime that left the humans (specifically kurirn and yamucha, maybe its because tien couldnt be found? who knows.), AT retold his own story for a reason in that anime, no clue to why, just saiyan.



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