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SSjin 3 Gogeta vs. Gotenks-Boo
Topic Started: Oct 4 2012, 01:49 PM (8,064 Views)
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Oct 5 2012, 02:10 PM
i dont agree that ssj3 vegeta would be anywhere near goku in that form, i doubt he has the potential to reach it. No spiritual training.
I'm skeptical that only supernatural training can give you a form beyond Super Sayan 2.

What Goku said "this is form that can be handled in Otherworld." obviously on about mass Ki consumption. While in Otherworld you can stay as Super Saiyan 3 for longer.

I strongly believe the form is achievable on Earth, if learned how to, but mass Ki consumption will be in effect on those who achieved it like Vegeta or Gohan. This is my opinion of course.
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vegeta needed dark magic to help him flesh out ssj2.

its a proven fact that everyone who got an unnaturalk boost and or spiritual training all had their natural ceiling raised.

Otherwise none of them would have made it past their saiyan saga power levels.
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Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
The Funi Dub that says SSJ3 Goku is weaker but still in the same playing field as SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu has Kid Buu as the most dangerous buu not the strongest.
Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.
I have a question if this is true...

Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.

doesn't this make Kid Buu the strongest regardless of the fact in the manga (specifically SSJ Vegito vs Buuhan)?

Hm? I apologize, but I don't understand your question. :(
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Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
No one here has denied manga rules gogeta being to weak to fight boohan.

But gogeta already has an advantage over the boys, and its a wide gap of power.

There isnt any reason to try and dissect a simple fact.

full power vegeta>>>full power goten and trunks.

why that is ignored in this fusion i dont know, but it doesnt limit the fact that the rival factor between two of the strongest powers in the universe is real, and its why fusion is so strong for them.

Its still goku and vegeta no matter what story you tell, manga gogeta wouldnt be that much weaker than vegetto, minus the efficiency of the potarra process they arent missing anything else.

anyone that thinks vegeta vs kid boo is stronger than vegeta vs fat boo you are mistaken.

vegeta was the same strenght when he died, and in movie 12 when he was dead he was called up from hell by yemma to take care of this threat. So in the manga and the movie its yemmas fault vegeta is there. Same vegeta, same power.

Canon gogeta is movie gogeta. To ssj2 capable saiyans both as strong as goku (not vegeta) and a saiyan whos max power is ssj3 will not be denied. The boys at max power in fusion were as strong as goku in ssj3, thats the coldest hax in the whole comic book.

You're claiming Gogeta gets a rival boost now?
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I might end up double posting here, but I doubt it. In any case:

Chapter: 473 (DBZ 279), P2.1-6
Context: after Goten and Trunks turn into Super Saiyans
Goku: "Alright! Now then, gather your ki up to your utmost limits. All the way full!"
Trunks: "Hehe...Alrii-iight. Let's freak 'em out, Goten."
Goten: "Yeah....hihihi..."
*they power up*
Piccolo: "Gu...!"
Goku: "Alright, so that's full?"
Goten: "Huh!?"
Trunks: "Ye-yeah..."

Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: "These two are our only hope...! Th-though it's a faint hope..."
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned

This, coupled with Piccolo being blown away by the power of Goten/Trunks, establishes SSJ Goten/Trunks > Piccolo; if this wasn't the case, then Piccolo would be their last hope, not the kids.

The quote that shows that the kids are also comparable to Gohan has been brought up numerous times, but here:


Chapter: 427 (DBZ 233), P12.3-6
Context: after Gohan and Goten spar a little bit
Gohan: "You're very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn’t known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you'll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!"
Goten: "Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!"
Gohan: "Really!? That's how you guys have been playing?...*thinking* If I'm not careful, I'll be outstripped...by these little squirts..."

Many people like the argument that "Goten potentially surpassing Gohan means he'll do it in several years or suttin'". The problem with that argument is, if Goten was 10x weaker than the likes of Gohan, then why would Gohan be having such thoughts of being surpassed at this stage at all? He'd only be mildly impressed if Goten was so weak.

SSJ Gohan > SSJ Trunks > SSJ Goten >/>> Piccolo.

Let's move on to post-RST Gotenks.


Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: "Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time...! Even in just 1 hour, they'll be able to do 15 days worth of training."
Kuririn: "Heh!? If we do it now..."
Piccolo: "Can't you tell...?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can't win, no doubt about it...! Tell them that if they don't want to die while they're still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can...!"

Initial Super Buu >>> SSJ Gotenks pre > SSJ3 Goku

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: "Pl-please...Let there be a miracle..."

Initial Super Buu >> SSJ Gotenks (post, expected) > SSJ Gotenks pre > SSJ3 Goku.

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he'd trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: "He-he really is different...! He really has greatly powered up...! Th-this just might...!"

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: "Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!"


Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P6.1-3, P7.1-3
Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him
Gotenks: "Well, whatever. I already did quite a lot, after all. He should be pretty weakened."
*Boo comes out*
Gotenks: "...He ain't weakened....This really pisses me off!"
Piccolo: "N-no...He is weakened...I don't know about physically, but he's weakened a little mentally...! Th-this is the first time...that he's fought someone strong like you...He's feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own..."
Gotenks: "Dehhehheh! So in other words, Majin Boo's freaked out, huh!? That's right! My strength ain't half-assed! I'm the best in the universe!"
Piccolo: "Don't let your guard down! He'll be coming at you frantically now...!"
Gotenks: "Dahhahhah, that's no problem, no problem at all! That's just what I was hoping for!!

SSJ3 Gotenks post > Super Buu >>> SSJ2 Gotenks post >>> SSJ Gotenks post >>>>> Base Gotenks post >> SSJ Gotenks post, expected >/>> SSJ Gotenks pre >/~ SSJ3 Goku.

^ Now, perhaps I went overboard, but this is mostly to burn any darn argument of Gotenks' power for the 1000th time, I'm sure.

Super Buu + Gotenks is pretty much 1+1 = 2, so Super Buu * 2 = Buutenks.

Goten and Trunks are above Piccolo and comparable to Teen Gohan. Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku aren't too far ahead of Teen Gohan because of Piccolo's "perhaps" quote. So, unless you believe that Teen Gohan lost over 60% of his power, Gogeta isn't 10x stronger than Gotenks.

There was also only a decent gap between Teen Gohan and Goten/Trunks. I don't think it's too far-fetched to say that they are on par with Teen Gohan at the absolute minimum post-RST.

So tell me, are Goku and Vegeta 10x that when in the same form? Is SSJ Goku 10x SSJ Goten? Because you'd basically be suggesting:

SSJ Goku ~ 1000
SSJ Kid Gohan ~ 800
SSJ Gohan ~ 130
SSJ Goten ~ 100

^ Do you see how ridiculous that looks after looking through statements and getting over your bias?

Lastly:



Chapter: 503 (DBZ 309), P8.8
Context: Goku tries to get Vegeta to use the Potara with him, but Vegeta refuses
Goku: "Knowing you, I thought you might say that...! There ain't any other way to beat Majin Boo!"

Vegetto >>>> Buuhan >/>> Gogeta.
Wonderful post.
I agree 100% with you except for the base Gotenks post Rosat argument: I know well the manga implies base Gotenks post > Ssj Gotenks pre, but this would make the base boys > base adults, because I think the metamoran boost is not something > 60.
I believe this because in one guide (GT PF, I know it's not something, but it's more than nothing) Gogeta is said to be a few tens of times stronger than Goku or Vegeta at the same Ssj form; Gotenks himself is said to be several times stronger than Goten/Trunks, so it seems the gap is pretty much the same. Because the Ssj multiplier it's clear is not X 50 anymore after the introduction of the Ssj FP (Toriyama himself admitted that he wrote Cell and Buu arcs thinking to a lower multiplier for the Ssj, and the story itself confirms it well), having base Gotenks post so high will make base kids > base adults.
For this one, I personally go more with the guides, where it is said that Gotenks well surpassed Vegeta after his training in to the Rosat (obviously, we are talking about base Gotenks and Ssj2 Vegeta, because Ssj Gotenks pre is already >= Ssj3 Goku), so I think base Gotenks post is >> any Ssj2 and that he can be close to Fat Buu power, but not > his Ssj form pre Rosat.
Obviously, we would still have Ssj Gotenks post >> Ssj Gotenks pre.
This is my personal way to see the thing, besides, as I've already said, I agree with you 100%.
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not wanting to use gogeta was the reason he switched it over, hes an artist, hes not gonna blatantly rip toei off and put it in his manga, thats faulty reasoning, if i thought u were talking about my work like that i would be insulted.

He wouldn't be ripping off Toei, considering Toei was basically his *****. If he wanted to use one of their designs, he would've had all rights to do so. It was his idea as a whole.
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He already wanted to give fusion something cool, he made it so that fusion could get two boys whos MAX POWER IS IN SSJ.
the ability to fight super boo.

denying goku and vegeta could have done this like he planned is inexcusable.

I never denied Gogeta could beat Super Boo. But Gotenks- and Gohan-Boo are both in different leagues compared to the regular Supes.
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denying that the fusion would match them both up as ssj2's for maximum power allowed, just like the boys did at THEIR max power.

with regular ssj2 vegeta already twice as strong as the boys in SSj2, POD vegeta= Goku who is the penultimate figure and master of the form. At IMMEDIATE recall he gets to the power level gohan almost killed himself just to push out in a multiplied blast. Gokus max power is SSj3, a form another 2x SSj2.

These are MAX power forms gentlemen, what the boys can do and what the adults can do are highly different. Fusion takes ALL power and puts it as base in new form. Fusing as ssj2's into a base form character would have him automatically be 2x ssj3.

I really do love your theory that Fusion is all about relegation. Could you explain to me how SSjin Goten + SSjin Trunks = SSjin 2 power, if they're so much weaker than Goku and Vegeta already? You said yourself you have them around Imperfect Cell (post-humans) pre-RoSaT. If Fusion just adds that power together for the Base form, how is Base Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) already at Super Saiyan 2 level? He shouldn't even be reaching SSjin Goku's Cell Games power going by that logic, let alone any Super Saiyan 2.
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which is about the neighborhood i start having forms stronger than goku, with base super boo being at the forefront.
i have gohan almost 4x gokus max strength by my calcs. Super boo is between 2.8 and 3.5.

Super Boo only about 3.5x SSjin 3 Goku's power? Did you ignore Gotenks completely or just nerf the hell out of his multipliers?
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A super kame blast charged in ssj3 for one minute would have destroyed boo. Only one minute? then why the spirit bomb and the magic wish? so much drama...

Yeah, Kid Boo, who's not even strong enough to polish Super Boo's tentacle. :lol:
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@KP. Gogeta getting a rivals boost isn't wrong IMO.
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Oct 5 2012, 08:51 PM
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who are you talking to? i dont see anyone trolling here.
I wasn't trolling either it must be guys before our posts. Internet trolling isn't my style to go around threatening people online.

I'll take your words for it.

I don't think fusion of two Super Saiyan 3's will have sucessful fusion execution since the mass Ki cosumption is in effect. It was an hypothetical SSjin 3 Vegeta used as example specifically to SSjin Gotenks strength that's all.

I didn't give no Rival Boosts, Movie 12 Hax to my SSjin 3 Gogeta. 100% pure canon Gogeta at best. Movie 12 Hax would have fusion multiplier for SSjin Gogeta will be much bigger than 5x likely 10x, or 100x.
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@KP. Gogeta getting a rivals boost isn't wrong IMO.
It's not wrong but it's not supported by anything but a comment taken out of context IMHO.
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Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
The Funi Dub that says SSJ3 Goku is weaker but still in the same playing field as SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu has Kid Buu as the most dangerous buu not the strongest.
Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.
I have a question if this is true...

Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.

doesn't this make Kid Buu the strongest regardless of the fact in the manga (specifically SSJ Vegito vs Buuhan)?

Hm? I apologize, but I don't understand your question. :(
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Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
No one here has denied manga rules gogeta being to weak to fight boohan.

But gogeta already has an advantage over the boys, and its a wide gap of power.

There isnt any reason to try and dissect a simple fact.

full power vegeta>>>full power goten and trunks.

why that is ignored in this fusion i dont know, but it doesnt limit the fact that the rival factor between two of the strongest powers in the universe is real, and its why fusion is so strong for them.

Its still goku and vegeta no matter what story you tell, manga gogeta wouldnt be that much weaker than vegetto, minus the efficiency of the potarra process they arent missing anything else.

anyone that thinks vegeta vs kid boo is stronger than vegeta vs fat boo you are mistaken.

vegeta was the same strenght when he died, and in movie 12 when he was dead he was called up from hell by yemma to take care of this threat. So in the manga and the movie its yemmas fault vegeta is there. Same vegeta, same power.

Canon gogeta is movie gogeta. To ssj2 capable saiyans both as strong as goku (not vegeta) and a saiyan whos max power is ssj3 will not be denied. The boys at max power in fusion were as strong as goku in ssj3, thats the coldest hax in the whole comic book.

You're claiming Gogeta gets a rival boost now?
there is no NOW, the elder kai was clear, do you always just take established rules and apply them only when you want to?

elder kai spoke on the reason the rival boost exists in the first place, and it wasnt because of the earrings, its because of the connection of two of the strongest powers in the universe. You have read it a thousand times by now, dont play with me.

what he said was clear cut. FUSION does this, all the potarras are is a different process thats permanent, and not temporary.

The rival boost comes from fusion, not the earrings.
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Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
The Funi Dub that says SSJ3 Goku is weaker but still in the same playing field as SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu has Kid Buu as the most dangerous buu not the strongest.
Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.
I have a question if this is true...

Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.

doesn't this make Kid Buu the strongest regardless of the fact in the manga (specifically SSJ Vegito vs Buuhan)?

Hm? I apologize, but I don't understand your question. :(
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Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
No one here has denied manga rules gogeta being to weak to fight boohan.

But gogeta already has an advantage over the boys, and its a wide gap of power.

There isnt any reason to try and dissect a simple fact.

full power vegeta>>>full power goten and trunks.

why that is ignored in this fusion i dont know, but it doesnt limit the fact that the rival factor between two of the strongest powers in the universe is real, and its why fusion is so strong for them.

Its still goku and vegeta no matter what story you tell, manga gogeta wouldnt be that much weaker than vegetto, minus the efficiency of the potarra process they arent missing anything else.

anyone that thinks vegeta vs kid boo is stronger than vegeta vs fat boo you are mistaken.

vegeta was the same strenght when he died, and in movie 12 when he was dead he was called up from hell by yemma to take care of this threat. So in the manga and the movie its yemmas fault vegeta is there. Same vegeta, same power.

Canon gogeta is movie gogeta. To ssj2 capable saiyans both as strong as goku (not vegeta) and a saiyan whos max power is ssj3 will not be denied. The boys at max power in fusion were as strong as goku in ssj3, thats the coldest hax in the whole comic book.

You're claiming Gogeta gets a rival boost now?
there is no NOW, the elder kai was clear, do you always just take established rules and apply them only when you want to?

elder kai spoke on the reason the rival boost exists in the first place, and it wasnt because of the earrings, its because of the connection of two of the strongest powers in the universe. You have read it a thousand times by now, dont play with me.

what he said was clear cut. FUSION does this, all the potarras are is a different process thats permanent, and not temporary.

The rival boost comes from fusion, not the earrings.
Looks like the rival boost comes out because of the merging method to me. Do you always just make up things to play into your beliefs? I must be a humongous Goku hater to think he didn't mention rival boost from the Fusion Dance because there wasn't one.
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How would Goku know about the rivals boost if the metamorian people had it. Weren't they stated to be a peaceful people. Doubt they'd have a love/hate borderline homosexual relationship like Goku and Vegeta.
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How would Goku know about the rivals boost if the metamorian people had it. Weren't they stated to be a peaceful people. Doubt they'd have a love/hate borderline homosexual relationship like Goku and Vegeta.
They created the technique. They should know the ins and outs of it, regardless.
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Super Gogeta > Super Buu/Gotenks SSJ3 imo.
SSJ3 Gogeta > Buuhan by default.
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