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SSjin 3 Gogeta vs. Gotenks-Boo
Topic Started: Oct 4 2012, 01:49 PM (8,065 Views)
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Sorry, but Toriyama made no statement at all about the strength of Goten or Trunks. So they could be anywhere.
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Yeah, I've personally got them weaker than the Base adults, even as SSJs. The only thing that makes any sense at all, of course.
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Oct 4 2012, 11:38 PM
Sorry, but Toriyama made no statement at all about the strength of Goten or Trunks. So they could be anywhere.
i think there are plenty of indications myself.
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Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
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miguelnuva
Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
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Oct 5 2012, 02:21 AM
miguelnuva
Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
The Funi Dub that says SSJ3 Goku is weaker but still in the same playing field as SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu has Kid Buu as the most dangerous buu not the strongest.
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Oct 5 2012, 02:36 AM
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miguelnuva
Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
The Funi Dub that says SSJ3 Goku is weaker but still in the same playing field as SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu has Kid Buu as the most dangerous buu not the strongest.
Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.
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I think that no one read the original post.

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Oct 4 2012, 01:49 PM
This is a hypothetical canon SSjin 3 Gogeta with no time limit against Gotenks-Boo. Who's going to win?

Edited by supersaqer, Oct 5 2012, 07:06 AM.
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Wait Anime has SSJ Goku>Mystic Gohan but weren't Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo just copies Buu made inside himself? I mean iirc a SBC from Piccolo took out Gotenks so maybe they just weren't that strong from the beginning. Plus they started deteriorating like they weren't really nothing.

imo it's not Anime is making Goku stronger all of a sudden, but it's just some bogus that Buu came up with that could never be the real thing.
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Ehh, I still don't think there's a difference between Gogeta canonically and non-canonically. He'd still lose this fight.
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Oct 5 2012, 02:40 AM
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Oct 5 2012, 02:36 AM
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Oct 5 2012, 02:21 AM
miguelnuva
Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
The anime also has SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. :D
The Funi Dub that says SSJ3 Goku is weaker but still in the same playing field as SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu has Kid Buu as the most dangerous buu not the strongest.
Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.
I have a question if this is true...

Episode: 278
Context: After Son Goku and Vegeta refuse the Potara earrings
Kibitoshin: “C-Can you beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo!”
Son Goku: “It’s okay. We’ll manage something! I’m sure of it!”

Episode: 279
Context: After Boo’s huge blast morphs the landscape of the Kaioshin planet
Son Goku: “Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You’re on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You’re ridiculously strong!”

Episode: 285
Context: Narrator describing the events of Episode 284
Narrator: “This is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Boo! And this is the only thing left that can lay him to rest…”
Note: The narrator is referring to the Genki-Dama in that second sentence.

doesn't this make Kid Buu the strongest regardless of the fact in the manga (specifically SSJ Vegito vs Buuhan)?
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Oct 5 2012, 01:51 AM
Guys Gogeta was too weak in the Manga to fight Buuhan according to some of the members here.

In the Anime where Gogeta appears/ is based Goku implies that he is in the same ball park as SSJ3 Gotenks in SSJ3 form. This is back up by MSSJ Goku not doing that much worse against Super Buu then MSSJ Gotenks did.

As far as the Anime sees SSJ Gogeta= SSJ3 Gotenks at the least.
No one here has denied manga rules gogeta being to weak to fight boohan.

But gogeta already has an advantage over the boys, and its a wide gap of power.

There isnt any reason to try and dissect a simple fact.

full power vegeta>>>full power goten and trunks.

why that is ignored in this fusion i dont know, but it doesnt limit the fact that the rival factor between two of the strongest powers in the universe is real, and its why fusion is so strong for them.

Its still goku and vegeta no matter what story you tell, manga gogeta wouldnt be that much weaker than vegetto, minus the efficiency of the potarra process they arent missing anything else.

anyone that thinks vegeta vs kid boo is stronger than vegeta vs fat boo you are mistaken.

vegeta was the same strenght when he died, and in movie 12 when he was dead he was called up from hell by yemma to take care of this threat. So in the manga and the movie its yemmas fault vegeta is there. Same vegeta, same power.

Canon gogeta is movie gogeta. To ssj2 capable saiyans both as strong as goku (not vegeta) and a saiyan whos max power is ssj3 will not be denied. The boys at max power in fusion were as strong as goku in ssj3, thats the coldest hax in the whole comic book.
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Some of you have SSjin Gotenks (Post Posat) = SSjin 3 Goku, right?

Examples:
SSjin 3 Goku ~ 100
SSjin 3 Vegeta ~ 100
SSjin 2 Gogeta ~ 500
SSjin 3 Gogeta (Canon) ~ 1,000 (5x)

SSjin Gotenks ~ 100
SSjin 3 Gotenks ~ 400 (4x)

Super Buu ~ 395
Gotenks-Boo ~ 795

SSjin 3 Gogeta > Gotenks-Boo > SSjin 3 Gotenks ~ Super Buu > SSjin 2 Gogeta > SSjin Gogeta > SSjin Gotenks = SSjin 3 Goku/Vegeta.

I hope some will find my worked who is stronger useful.
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i dont agree that ssj3 vegeta would be anywhere near goku in that form, i doubt he has the potential to reach it. No spiritual training.
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Oct 4 2012, 11:06 PM
If Vegetto managed to beat the pulp out of Buuhan at SSJ.
SSJ3 Gogeta is very close to him if you would multiply his SS.

Super Janemba > Kid Buu & ~Super Buu
Super Gogeta one-shotted Janemba, what makes you think otherwise he wouldn't be able to transform in SS2 and go over Buutenks? Let alone SSJ3 over Buuhan.

Gogeta is non-canon, why should we give a flying duck about canon-stuff? All we can do is compare and theorise.
I don't care where you put Gogeta, because I'm not sure I agree with either of your placements. It's just you basing him off the movie Gogeta. A manga Gogeta is mentioned several times, so it's not non-canon only. I've got Movie Gogeta >>> Manga Gogeta though lol.
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