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Out of Character moments?
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sylentknyte	Oct 7 2012, 05:05 AM Post #31
Posts: 790 Group: Member Member #5,932 Joined: March 30, 2011	90sDBZ Oct 6 2012, 11:41 PM Piccolo does seem to change a great deal over the series. In DB he's a villain and seems to let his anger get the best of him. In Z he still lets pride get in his way early on like when he gets Gohan to wish him to namek when he has no chance of winning against Frieza. From the Android Saga onwards we see him being very thoughtful about his fights and if its worth trying to fight like how he doesn't even attempt to attack Super Buu. Its a big thing that separates him from Vegeta. By the Android saga, Piccolo is not only 100% good, hes one of the best on the team. And although its not often discussed, he becomes the second in command after Goku. Vegeta always has a somewhat bad edge to him. He's always the antihero.



POOHEAD189	Oct 7 2012, 09:31 AM Post #32
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	I like how Piccolo and Tien sort of became the "non saiyan duo" during the android saga. They either searched for Gero or fought Cell or hung out at the lookout. Both of them villains turned good. It's one reason why I dislike Vegeta (compared to the others at least. I do like Vegeta). It's that it took him so long and so much to be decent. It took a week for Tien to turn neutral, then about 3 years until he was confirmed to be good. Piccolo (not counting King Piccolo) turned good over the course of 6-7 years. Vegeta? It took him 12 years to perhaps think about not killing Goku and being evil, and he still became Majin. Quote: Tien not wanting to train in the hyperbolic time chamber because he thinks he wouldn't be much help, but he trains every day of his life and before that he stalled semi perfect cell with his tri beam and later helps Gohan with the others in the kamehameha struggle. This. It was one of the few times in the series I was like "WHAT!? NO! BUT...BUT...YOU'RE YOU!" Edited by POOHEAD189, Oct 7 2012, 09:35 AM.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


Kblo247	Oct 7 2012, 09:39 AM Post #33
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	To be fair. Tien was a teen more to less when Roshi got through to him. Piccolo was only 4 years older than Gohan, so he was in earth year 7-8 when Gohan befriended him which none of the others did including Goku, as Goku spared him to keep Kami alive, not am I want to fight him or he could be an ally reason like Vegeta. Vegeta spent 30 years isolated from his family, all but two of his people, tortured, ridiculed, and still had his race exterminated after doing what he was told to protect them. He was a literal slave who took the proverbial Underground Railroad to Earth. There he was shown compassion for the first time in his life, and he repaid his debts. Vegeta saved the guys more than Tien or Yamcha for example ever did. Guldo, Ginyu Goku, once at Frieza for Krillin, twice at Frieza for Gohan, Goku at 19, them all at the cell games when in the manga everyone was paralyzed by fear and was going to let Gohan die alone and then be wiped out, Trunks and Goten, and the whole population. He should have been the most conflicted because he was the one who had been given the worst treatment and prolonged exposure to evil. Even staying with his family how he did was unheard of for their people, look at Goku who left whenever he got bored or stayed gone for the hell of it, but Vegeta begrudgingly adapted to earth customs Edited by Kblo247, Oct 7 2012, 09:41 AM.



POOHEAD189	Oct 7 2012, 09:45 AM Post #34
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	I think Vegeta had a good amount of fun in his life during that time. Plus, Tien was 19 when Roshi got to him. He spent his entire childhood being trained pretty much as an assassin, and Piccolo WAS king Piccolo, or his reincarnation, so even if Piccolo's body was young, himself in general was hundreds of years old.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


Kblo247	Oct 7 2012, 09:55 AM Post #35
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Piccolo wasn't the king, he had his memories, but the king wouldn't die for Gohan. Kami even alluded before they merged that That Piccolo was different. He had the dark memories, but he had free will. You would have fun too if you know you either annihilate these people or all yours die. After a while, and the Saiyans still being killed, he had an end game. Take down Frieza, Dadoria, Zarbon, the Ginyus who oppressed him and his people. You don't cry like he did if he didn't care about the Saiyans. I guess the best way to look at it is Vegeta was showed compassion once in his life, it made him livid by his own admission those three spared him in battle, but when they needed him he was there from that point on whether he admitted he cared or not. He was always there saving them, fighting alongside them, and trying to be what he wasn't taught to be a family man and so on.



sylentknyte	Oct 7 2012, 10:49 AM Post #36
Posts: 790 Group: Member Member #5,932 Joined: March 30, 2011	Well, I don't think Tien was ever evil to be honest. He was certainly a villain in the show, but all he wanted was to break and humiliate competitors of his rival school. Thats not really evil, he was just going along with the circumstances he grew up with. Piccolo was evil because its all he really knew. With Vegeta, he has the most f'ed up backstory of all the main villains, so its understandable why it takes him so long to come around. The thing I find annoying about Vegeta is how he constantly bitches and moans about not being the strongest. Its not even in a badass way, its like "Wahhhhh Kakarots stronger than me, wahhhh I'm the prince of all Saiyans!"



Pylons	Oct 7 2012, 10:54 AM Post #37
Posts: 1,998 Group: Member Member #7,432 Joined: March 11, 2012	I wouldn't call it that, maybe one or two circumstances where he feels that way but for the most part I think Vegeta is trying to rationalize why Goku is stronger than him. He grew up being told he was elite by saiyan standards and Goku being stronger went against everything he knew. I think Goku taught him to look at things differently.
	Let's Go Baby We Rollin'!!!


Kblo247	Oct 7 2012, 11:51 AM Post #38
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Sora Oct 7 2012, 10:54 AM I wouldn't call it that, maybe one or two circumstances where he feels that way but for the most part I think Vegeta is trying to rationalize why Goku is stronger than him. He grew up being told he was elite by saiyan standards and Goku being stronger went against everything he knew. I think Goku taught him to look at things differently. Yah this. Vegeta was taken from his father like Gohan was taken by Piccolo as a toddler. It stands to reason that as a toddler he was told - A Saiyan elite is better than a 3rd class - The Legend of the ssj - significance of having a tail and the moon - zenkais Vegeta had very little to cling too because once they took him, they truly took him and made him their slave and puppet. What he did have, was what he was taught andKakarot spit on them in his eyes. Frieza nurture him to be a killer and so on, and he likewise taught him that mercy wasn't given on the battle field and makes you weak, especially if you receive it. H spends more years under him and the PTO than with his people by far. After that was literally beaten in his head, Goku had the nerve to spit on that too when he had Krillin spare him. Everything he knew from the time Goku touched down off nimbus changed. Everything he was taught. His few memories pre PTO. Even what Frieza and them beat into him. As you can seem even the idea of having a family was so out there for him that it took seeing his future son die to realize he wanted to stay with Bulma, Trunks, and protect them, and he never left them afterward. And I know GT be damned, but he's the father of the show actually by the admission of Bulma and Bulla.



Gohan_	Oct 7 2012, 12:30 PM Post #39
Posts: 5 Group: New Member Member #8,375 Joined: October 3, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga N/A	Vegeta staying on the Earth and not blowing it up, like he intended on doing after the Freiza saga.



90sDBZ	Oct 8 2012, 12:28 AM Post #40
Posts: 1,356 Group: Member Member #7,850 Joined: June 27, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragonball	The thing with Vegeta is that he cried because he couldn't avenge the saiyans yet he himself killed Nappa who is much more powerful than most of the saiyans Frieza killed. The guy is super conflicted imo.
	"The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!"


+ Clearin	Oct 8 2012, 12:43 AM Post #41
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Vegeta didn't care about the Saiyans, he said that himself. And he showed it when he tried to kill the last 3 remaining Saiyans - one of which he was successful in killing. Vegeta didn't have a bad life at all, he lived as one of Vegeta's top ranking soldiers doing a job that he loved.



Kblo247	Oct 8 2012, 01:56 AM Post #42
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	90sDBZ Oct 8 2012, 12:28 AM The thing with Vegeta is that he cried because he couldn't avenge the saiyans yet he himself killed Nappa who is much more powerful than most of the saiyans Frieza killed. The guy is super conflicted imo. He gave Nappa the death he wanted to be given at the time. Sparing him was a bigger insult to his pride than anything else because he was taught it meant you were weak if you showed mercy, let alone were the one it was given too. He gave the Saiyan general a Saiyan death. Thing is he protected Gohan, Krillin, and Goku more than he should have ever been expected to. In fact I'd say eh saved them more times than the other way around total



DBZAOTA482	Oct 8 2012, 12:14 PM Post #43
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	This happened within a segment of filler (DBZ Episode 104 -106): Vegeta being portrayed like a cowardly villain as he is happy over Goku's potential death because it would make him #1 by default, and talks about using the Dragon Balls so he can rule the world. TOEI forgot the only reason he wanted immortality in the first place was so he can overthrow Freeza, and the real Vegeta would be infuriated over being #1 by default (which he was in the following episodes). Edited by DBZAOTA482, Oct 8 2012, 12:19 PM.



+ Clearin	Oct 8 2012, 12:22 PM Post #44
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	DBZAOTA482 Oct 8 2012, 12:14 PM This happened within a segment of filler (DBZ Episode 104 -106): Vegeta being portrayed like a cowardly villain as he is happy over Goku's potential death because it would make him #1 by default, and talks about using the Dragon Balls so he can rule the world. TOEI forgot the only reason he wanted immortality in the first place was so he can overthrow Freeza, and the real Vegeta would be infuriated over being #1 by default (which he was in the following episodes). Actually Vegeta originally wanted immortality so that he (and Nappa) could fight forever. He just changed the reason when he brought Freeza into the story.



DBZAOTA482	Oct 8 2012, 12:35 PM Post #45
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	Clearin Oct 3 2012, 07:53 PM I don't think Vegeta in movie 8 is very out of character. Vegeta has shown that he will be reduced to a paralysed mess when faced with someone stronger than himself (Freeza). But that's after he tried (and failed). In Movie 8, he just huddled into a corner and sucked his thumb just because Broli is known as the Legendary Super Saiyan.



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