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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 26 2012, 08:24 PM (2,003 Views) | |
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Representative democracy didn't work so turn it into an absolute monarchy? |
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| Sasuke | Sep 27 2012, 09:54 PM Post #17 |
 
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I don't think anyone should be mad that it's solely a staff decision. Parliament had it's go but do to inactivity was taken off. So if you're mad that you can't have a say in decisions you only have yourself to blame. |
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Sep 27 2012, 09:59 PM Post #18 |
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Then let the staff do whatever they want and remove forum discussion... |
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| Sasuke | Sep 27 2012, 10:03 PM Post #19 |
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Just because Non-Staff don't have a final say on things. Doesn't mean we should remove forum discussions. Not all discussions are issues, some can range from feedback to actual notifications of problems not seen by staff. |
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| Strawberry | Sep 28 2012, 04:33 PM Post #20 |
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Guys, don't feel like your opinions are not being heard because they are! The poll here was pretty conclusive as to what members think about this. It's definitely being taken into consideration! 
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| * Bex | Sep 28 2012, 05:01 PM Post #21 |
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Sorry but this might just be me that noticed, but wasn't the spam section mostly crap? For every one nice/good topic such as Danrich's special one, there were about 100 ***** topics that weren't funny or could be deemed mildly offensive in some cases. Why do people care so much about that? If that's all you come to the forum for then I really feel sorry for you. I think some people should probably just grow up and try to post productive things in other sections instead of wasting your time going "HURP DURP DURP-- Oh, happy birthday Sunate, have a good one-- HURP DE DURP DURP" on the internet. |
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| Cal | Sep 28 2012, 05:12 PM Post #22 |
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I don't know but if the staff is taking the 'we make the decisions and that's that' mentality then I regret the banishing of parliament, which existed in case something like this ever did happen. Either way though guess the best thing to do is hope Strawberry's post is accurate and it's being taken seriously for now as it should be. The goal of the staff of a forum is to accommodate the community, not for the community to accommodate them and I hope that's not lost with this 'fresh outlook' the staff is apparently taking. |
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| * Bex | Sep 28 2012, 05:19 PM Post #23 |
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Well there's a problem really isn't there, saying what about democracy? The entire reason the spam section is gone is because people abused it. The entire reason the dislike button is gone is because people abused it. People lost their rights to those things. It's called punishment and the staff here would not do that if it wasn't justified. I don't get why having some massive archive of a section you can't use anymore is so important. Most of the threads were rubbish. Evidently there are at least 9 members that are willing to sit there and waste their time reading through pointless, old threads in there for some reason that I don't get, instead of just getting on with posting in the rest of the forum. We have a good forum here so why must people keep whining about the most inane and troll-like part of it? |
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| Meowth | Sep 28 2012, 05:20 PM Post #24 |
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The staff made the decisions before parliament and do so after, it was set up to give people more of a say but not that many people seemed interested and it was closed. Yes, any suggestions are taken seriously by staff, but unlike parliament, they happen behind closed doors and don't require a vote, just a general agreement on action to take. You'll know the decision in due course because one of the problems is what to do with the topics of an offensive nature, that would mean me and/or Tim going through and removing some of them. So if the archive goes ahead, then it wouldn't be up till any offending topics are removed. |
 
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Sep 28 2012, 06:25 PM Post #25 |
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Archive would be for reference. And you might consider them rubbish but I could say the same about other parts of the forum, because I'm not involved with them. This forum seems to be too cliquey. And dislikes were hardly abused. Any abuse took place in spam, so it shouldn't matter anyway, since spam is just for having a joke. Pelador likes all his own posts, but isn't punished, so why are people who dislike posts in spam for fun punished? Honestly I don't know what's left in spam that is of an offensive nature. Maybe there's like 1 thing, but that's about it. |
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kamizake pyro is a girl? olsiw Make the old spam section viewable plz | |
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| Meowth | Sep 28 2012, 06:41 PM Post #26 |
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On the first page of the old section, there are at least 5 topics I would remove. As for the dislikes, it's negative and should be used sparsely, spam section or not. If someone keeps getting dislikes on their posts, they aren't going to want to post, unless they don't care. There's nothing we can do to solve cliques forming though, the majority of people in forums always end up in one, you appear to be in a clique yourself, as are many of people on this forum because that's just human nature. |
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| * -Zero- | Sep 28 2012, 07:41 PM Post #27 |
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One: Just because the staff might be making decisions and not the members, does not mean what so ever that the members have absolutely no say as the staff members DO listen to the members and try to help out. I've seen many times members here criticizing the mod team, staff members this and that but you shouldn't. You have no idea what happens behind closed doors. I've seen staff members defending and giving chance to some of the same members that I see poking fun at staff. Two:The staff isn't here to make anyone miserable, however when things start to get abused for the sake of abusing, privileges are lost. Maybe because it's funny to one person or a group of people, does not mean it's funny for everyone else. This is a forum where people should feel comfortable enough to make posts, start discussions, without being put down. Three:One thing that is constantly annoying in the spam section is how every topic completely goes off into something else. Example someone starts a topic about elephants, towards the end of the first page the topic has become a "**** you", "herp" "Derp" "lets get this person back" "this is spammmmmm" post topic, just because a topic is in Spam section does not mean that every thread is got to turn into complete nonsense, as some threads in the Spam section may actually have some legitimacy to them. Four:I have not yet given my input in the Staff Section for the Spam Archive I will do soon. Although I don't really care much for an archive for it, I can see why people would like to see an archive for it. However if I keep seeing staff get attacked just because not everything goes as members want it to go, then I am going to oppose an archive section. Have respect for your staff members, they do more for you than you know. Yet for every little thing, the Staff gets an attack on them. Like I said just because something is on SPAM does not mean that it can always get completely off topic into nonsense that shouldn't be there to begin with. So instead of acting like it's not going to happen, be a little patient and see what the staff discussion leads to, I'm sure there will be an announcement on soon. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Sep 28 2012, 07:55 PM Post #28 |
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edit: To Rogue Not sure what happened in that topic, if it was just insults then it was probably just a bunch of jokes, and unless the person getting insulted is actually offended it can just be left to be viewed. Otherwise could just delete it and then let the spam be viewed. I think I'm right in saying that the topics the staff thought were going too far were all quite recent, like within the last month? So there's not too many to go through. Even if it takes a while, I'm sure that the people that would like to be able to view the old spam topics would rather have it late than never. With the dislikes, it was always a joke in spam. If anyone was offended then they should know that it was a joke. And really the point about people being put off posting could be applied to when someone posts a negative response to someone else's post too. Yeh I agree I am probably sort of in a clique or 2, but I think the cliques (don't know why I used that word, I hate it) should be more respectful of each other and more linked/recognised as part of the forum. As opposed to just being being enemies, which is kinda how it is here. edit: I agree with Zero though, spam topics go off topics too much. Some semi-serious or even serious topics go into spam, and because they're in spam people just post anything that comes to mind. People should use their sense a bit more. Me included probably, as I'm sure I've done this at least once with the Protocol Omega topic. If you think a topic is serious/semi-serious take it seriously, and try to keep it a little on topic, and recycle old jokes 10x. Yeh and I'm pretty sure that I myself go way off topic a lot. Criticise me, don't mind. Edited by TrunksinSwimmingTrunks, Sep 28 2012, 08:02 PM.
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kamizake pyro is a girl? olsiw Make the old spam section viewable plz | |
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| Cal | Sep 28 2012, 08:12 PM Post #29 |
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Your number 4 seems pretty immature to me. There will always be 'bad' members. There will always be trolls. There will always be spammers. However that does not justify punishing the entire forum because of it. Staff members get criticized by members and staff criticizes members. The only difference is one has more power. There's usually nothing wrong with that until someone with power 'gets attacked' and then punishes an entire forum for it. It just doesn't make sense and I encourage you to worry more about the benefit of the forum as a whole to a few members who attacked you or hurt your feelings or w/e. ----- Either way I'm glad this topic was made. I can deal with the staff here doing as they please most of the time because even if they're wrong I think Rogue and Tim always do what they think is right and that's good enough for me. Also, appreciate the staff that spoke out honestly in this topic. Just wanted to say that before it's probably locked since the OP has been answered. Good discussion. |
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| * -Zero- | Sep 28 2012, 08:19 PM Post #30 |
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It's not about my feelings or for me, personally I'm not too worried what members think of me. And even if the other Staff members aren't too worried what other members say about them in general, I care. Because I know a lot of these staff members defend members, try to help out members, just for me to go back on the forum and see staff get attacked for no good reasons. How is it immaturity? Did I say anything about "bad members" though it becomes hard to support a forum when staff are constantly being attacked, including something that they are working and discussing for the members. I clearly don't see how it is being immature, if members can't even handle a discussion without attacking the staff then why should they be rewarded? I don't see it as the whole forum being punished for it, since not the whole forum probably even cares that a Spam Archive exists, if I really felt it was something that the whole forum would be solely affected by I'd still support it. |
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