dangerousbob

Sep 26 2012, 10:34 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Sep 26 2012, 07:19 PM

It's not.

The most common formula I see is 1 kili = 1,000,000 power level, but I don't think it's nearly that simple.

That seems too High.

Don't they say that 300 can destroy a planet. Which would mean 300 would be early DBZ levels.
SSJ2 Gohan was around 3000 or something. Which doesn't add up unless you look at the power jumps after Freeza as not being that big. IE the difference between a SSj1 and SSj2 is like the difference between Raditz and Nappa. To be honest I think the only reason they used Kilis was to basically have a new power level system that didn't have such silly high numbers.

I mean you can't say cool one liners like "its over 9000" If your power level is a zillion. "its over 9x10⁸"

Akira probably stopped using powerlevels b/c it would have undermined the early sagas and have just gotten crazy silly by the buu saga or maybe something as simple as, "Oh no I can't fit that man zeros in the speech bubbles in the manga!"

Personally I like to look at it like I said above. That the powers didn't grow that much after SSJ1. So like Cell was not THAT much stronger then Freeza for example. It would be closer to the difference between Cpt Gynu and say Zarbon. Especially since its established that it doesn't take much to outclass someone. A difference of a few thousand power level is enough to like "toy" with someone in battle. see i what i mean.

Which is why I liked the idea of the Kili system.

crashbreaka

Sep 27 2012, 02:03 AM

Kili's and Power levels can't be calculated, as neither of which appears to be linear to each other. Eg. 1 Kili might be a power level of 50,000, but 2 kili's could be like 500,000. Nothing was ever stated for a direct relationship between the two.

So really, it's impossible.

nimbus

Sep 27 2012, 02:18 AM

crashbreaka

Sep 27 2012, 02:03 AM

Kili's and Power levels can't be calculated, as neither of which appears to be linear to each other. Eg. 1 Kili might be a power level of 50,000, but 2 kili's could be like 500,000. Nothing was ever stated for a direct relationship between the two.

So really, it's impossible.

But... but... then kiris don't have a set value.

Would they be like exponential as units? Because even then, some pattern could be found.

crashbreaka

Sep 27 2012, 02:03 AM

Kili's and Power levels can't be calculated, as neither of which appears to be linear to each other. Eg. 1 Kili might be a power level of 50,000, but 2 kili's could be like 500,000. Nothing was ever stated for a direct relationship between the two.

So really, it's impossible.

Super Gogito

Oct 12 2012, 07:06 AM

crashbreaka

Sep 27 2012, 02:03 AM

Kili's and Power levels can't be calculated, as neither of which appears to be linear to each other. Eg. 1 Kili might be a power level of 50,000, but 2 kili's could be like 500,000. Nothing was ever stated for a direct relationship between the two.

So really, it's impossible.

You might be right about kili being non linear converted to power levels because the anime and the daiz stated that 200-300 kili is enough to destroy 1-2 planets, and Vegeta (scouter) stated that he could destroy earth with his galick gun. If you take it from here then maybe a method or a pattern could be found. Right?

crashbreaka

Oct 12 2012, 08:01 AM

Super Gogito

Oct 12 2012, 07:06 AM

crashbreaka

Sep 27 2012, 02:03 AM

Kili's and Power levels can't be calculated, as neither of which appears to be linear to each other. Eg. 1 Kili might be a power level of 50,000, but 2 kili's could be like 500,000. Nothing was ever stated for a direct relationship between the two.

So really, it's impossible.

You might be right about kili being non linear converted to power levels because the anime and the daiz stated that 200-300 kili is enough to destroy 1-2 planets, and Vegeta (scouter) stated that he could destroy earth with his galick gun. If you take it from here then maybe a method or a pattern could be found. Right?

Maybe, but we'd still need another variable to find the exact relationship.

If we knew exactly what Goku's power level was at the time they measured his kili's as 3000 we could do it.

Super Gogito

Oct 12 2012, 10:20 PM

crashbreaka

Oct 12 2012, 08:01 AM

Super Gogito

Oct 12 2012, 07:06 AM

crashbreaka

Sep 27 2012, 02:03 AM

Kili's and Power levels can't be calculated, as neither of which appears to be linear to each other. Eg. 1 Kili might be a power level of 50,000, but 2 kili's could be like 500,000. Nothing was ever stated for a direct relationship between the two.

So really, it's impossible.

You might be right about kili being non linear converted to power levels because the anime and the daiz stated that 200-300 kili is enough to destroy 1-2 planets, and Vegeta (scouter) stated that he could destroy earth with his galick gun. If you take it from here then maybe a method or a pattern could be found. Right?

Maybe, but we'd still need another variable to find the exact relationship.

If we knew exactly what Goku's power level was at the time they measured his kili's as 3000 we could do it.

But at least we now know that kili has a non linear conversion with power levels.

Selsiuss

Sep 27 2012, 12:57 AM

dangerousbob

Sep 26 2012, 10:34 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Sep 26 2012, 07:19 PM

It's not.

The most common formula I see is 1 kili = 1,000,000 power level, but I don't think it's nearly that simple.

That seems too High.

Don't they say that 300 can destroy a planet. Which would mean 300 would be early DBZ levels.
SSJ2 Gohan was around 3000 or something. Which doesn't add up unless you look at the power jumps after Freeza as not being that big. IE the difference between a SSj1 and SSj2 is like the difference between Raditz and Nappa. To be honest I think the only reason they used Kilis was to basically have a new power level system that didn't have such silly high numbers.

I mean you can't say cool one liners like "its over 9000" If your power level is a zillion. "its over 9x10⁸"

Akira probably stopped using powerlevels b/c it would have undermined the early sagas and have just gotten crazy silly by the buu saga or maybe something as simple as, "Oh no I can't fit that man zeros in the speech bubbles in the manga!"

Personally I like to look at it like I said above. That the powers didn't grow that much after SSJ1. So like Cell was not THAT much stronger then Freeza for example. It would be closer to the difference between Cpt Gynu and say Zarbon. Especially since its established that it doesn't take much to outclass someone. A difference of a few thousand power level is enough to like "toy" with someone in battle. see i what i mean.

Which is why I liked the idea of the Kili system.

I most certainly do think they would have grown quite a bit after the Freeza saga. For example, let's take the Z fighters' strength gains in the Saiyan saga and apply that gain to Goku after Freeza.

All of the Z fighters aside from Goku got between 2-5x stronger after training in preparation for Vegeta and Nappa. That was just in one year. Let's say that for every year's worth of hard training, Goku got 3x stronger than before.

For argument's sake, we'll assume that Goku got a slight boost after fighting Freeza and spending a year on Yardrat.

Goku:
~Yardrat:
~~Base: 4,000,000
~~Ssj: 200,000,000

~Androids Saga(3 years, 9x stronger)
~~Base: 36,000,000
~~Ssj: 1,800,000,000

~Time Chamber Training(3x Stronger)
~~Base: 108,000,000
~~Ssj: 5,400,000,000

Since the Buu saga implies that Goku didn't get multi-folds stronger than before, We'll just say he got 50% stronger, putting him at 8.1 billion. This is just an example, but it shows just how easily DBZ characters soar past all expectations. Also, there is no direct correlation between Kili and power levels. They don't transfer linearly, so 1 kili does not equal exactly "X" amount of power level. It's measuring a different kind of energy output than what scouters did. It's possible that kili measures some force that does not scale linearly with power, so for every huge increase in power level, a smaller increase in Kili occurs. That's my theory, anyway.

Gotunks

Oct 13 2012, 01:05 PM

Selsiuss

Sep 27 2012, 12:57 AM

dangerousbob

Sep 26 2012, 10:34 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Sep 26 2012, 07:19 PM

It's not.

The most common formula I see is 1 kili = 1,000,000 power level, but I don't think it's nearly that simple.

That seems too High.

Don't they say that 300 can destroy a planet. Which would mean 300 would be early DBZ levels.
SSJ2 Gohan was around 3000 or something. Which doesn't add up unless you look at the power jumps after Freeza as not being that big. IE the difference between a SSj1 and SSj2 is like the difference between Raditz and Nappa. To be honest I think the only reason they used Kilis was to basically have a new power level system that didn't have such silly high numbers.

I mean you can't say cool one liners like "its over 9000" If your power level is a zillion. "its over 9x10⁸"

Akira probably stopped using powerlevels b/c it would have undermined the early sagas and have just gotten crazy silly by the buu saga or maybe something as simple as, "Oh no I can't fit that man zeros in the speech bubbles in the manga!"

Personally I like to look at it like I said above. That the powers didn't grow that much after SSJ1. So like Cell was not THAT much stronger then Freeza for example. It would be closer to the difference between Cpt Gynu and say Zarbon. Especially since its established that it doesn't take much to outclass someone. A difference of a few thousand power level is enough to like "toy" with someone in battle. see i what i mean.

Which is why I liked the idea of the Kili system.

I most certainly do think they would have grown quite a bit after the Freeza saga. For example, let's take the Z fighters' strength gains in the Saiyan saga and apply that gain to Goku after Freeza.

All of the Z fighters aside from Goku got between 2-5x stronger after training in preparation for Vegeta and Nappa. That was just in one year. Let's say that for every year's worth of hard training, Goku got 3x stronger than before.

For argument's sake, we'll assume that Goku got a slight boost after fighting Freeza and spending a year on Yardrat.

Goku:
~Yardrat:
~~Base: 4,000,000
~~Ssj: 200,000,000

~Androids Saga(3 years, 9x stronger)
~~Base: 36,000,000
~~Ssj: 1,800,000,000

~Time Chamber Training(3x Stronger)
~~Base: 108,000,000
~~Ssj: 5,400,000,000

Since the Buu saga implies that Goku didn't get multi-folds stronger than before, We'll just say he got 50% stronger, putting him at 8.1 billion. This is just an example, but it shows just how easily DBZ characters soar past all expectations. Also, there is no direct correlation between Kili and power levels. They don't transfer linearly, so 1 kili does not equal exactly "X" amount of power level. It's measuring a different kind of energy output than what scouters did. It's possible that kili measures some force that does not scale linearly with power, so for every huge increase in power level, a smaller increase in Kili occurs. That's my theory, anyway.

ive always tried to make an accurate plvl list, and that is the exact same method i use, only, lets say saiyan, every year they gain 2-3, 5 times, example goku when traing for the androids, every year for goku is 2, 5x, so three years, then you take 2, 5 to the power of 3, meaning...he increased 15, 625 times, i also used 2, 5 with vegeta, krillin is 1, 3, yamcha is 1, 2, piccolo is a 3 (he seems to get closer and closer to goku everytime, and i also use 3 on gohan, thats the only way he could have caught up and surprass goku in the android saga, i use 1, 5-1, 7 with tien and also 1, 3 with chioatzu