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SSj Gogeta > SSj3 Gotenks
Topic Started: Sep 23 2012, 06:53 PM (3,722 Views)
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this isnt a two sided conversation pyrus.

what he said didn make sense to me, i had never heard that before either, using the original super saiyan form would be a lie based on what he did with gotenks.

or something he decided to do but never told anyone. Its a good guess, but its all it is.
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Oh, OK. Yeah, I would like to see this information as well. I'll try searching for the actual interview, maybe it'll be on Kanzenshuu somewhere.
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He didn't say original super saiyan form I paraphrased that part the word for word form was Vegito was so strong he didn't need anything but Super Saiyan.
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Sep 25 2012, 02:48 AM
He didn't say original super saiyan form I paraphrased that part the word for word form was Vegito was so strong he didn't need anything but Super Saiyan.
So what you said was just a mere add-on to fulfill your Gogeta belief, and isn't based in an actual proof, and thus isn't evidence in this debate. :@
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Found it. It's from Daizenshuu #6, Akira Super Interview - 6th Round.

"I: How about the conception of 'potara'?

TA: Well, that was just because fusion was being used up in the movies, and I was thinking, 'what should I do?' Since I had been drawing earrings, I wondered, 'can I use these somehow?'

I: So, you didn't draw the earrings as a way to fuse together from the beginning?

TA: Nope. They were initially just decorations.

I: Then it was a product of the circumstances.

TA: I've long been walking such dangerous fine lines (laughter). However, when I'm cornered, my brain waves seem to sharpen, and somehow ideas start to flow. In addition, I'm good at forceful finagling (laughter).

I: That's amazing.

TA: No, it's not amazing at all. I'm always anxiety ridden. In the previous episode [of the comic] I wrote that 'something phenomenal is going to happen.' Thus, now I have to stick to my words and have to do something that really is awesome. I'm suffering inside (laughter)."
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So then....he did use gogeta as an example for vegetto...and decided to do it HIS way instead. Looks like art imitating life in this one. No wonder toei has so much say, they actually helped precipitate the actual creation of DBZ.

Meaning that the movies are legal tender for DBZ properties in their own right and not just characters based off of DBZ.

it still doesnt change the fact that movie gokus first ssj3 transformation was in movie 12. It was like that in the manga as well. IN the underworld, and it wasnt gokus first time using it either. So i would say it matters that toei didnt make him fight broly in ssj3 for movie 11 b despite the irrelevant release date of the character in the manga beforehand.

so then movie goku never fought broly as an ssj3. toei has said this. therefore it matters.
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Paikuan extreme
Sep 25 2012, 05:08 AM
So then....he did use gogeta as an example for vegetto...and decided to do it HIS way instead. Looks like art imitating life in this one. No wonder toei has so much say, they actually helped precipitate the actual creation of DBZ.

Meaning that the movies are legal tender for DBZ properties in their own right and not just characters based off of DBZ.

it still doesnt change the fact that movie gokus first ssj3 transformation was in movie 12. It was like that in the manga as well. IN the underworld, and it wasnt gokus first time using it either. So i would say it matters that toei didnt make him fight broly in ssj3 for movie 11 b despite the irrelevant release date of the character in the manga beforehand.

so then movie goku never fought broly as an ssj3. toei has said this. therefore it matters.
I really don't want to get into that debate since it's also pretty far off the topic, so I'm just going to remain indifferent to that. :o
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i didnt change the topic, just made a point.

the continuity of the movies seems important to some more than others.

this has bearing on gogetas strength level also.
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Sep 25 2012, 03:17 AM
miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 02:48 AM
He didn't say original super saiyan form I paraphrased that part the word for word form was Vegito was so strong he didn't need anything but Super Saiyan.
So what you said was just a mere add-on to fulfill your Gogeta belief, and isn't based in an actual proof, and thus isn't evidence in this debate. :@
How is what I said different from what AT said and if it is how does what I said effect Gogeta's power?

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Paikuan extreme
Sep 25 2012, 06:22 AM
i didnt change the topic, just made a point.

the continuity of the movies seems important to some more than others.

this has bearing on gogetas strength level also.

I just didn't want to get into another Broly debate.
miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 07:04 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Sep 25 2012, 03:17 AM
miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 02:48 AM
He didn't say original super saiyan form I paraphrased that part the word for word form was Vegito was so strong he didn't need anything but Super Saiyan.
So what you said was just a mere add-on to fulfill your Gogeta belief, and isn't based in an actual proof, and thus isn't evidence in this debate. :@
How is what I said different from what AT said and if it is how does what I said effect Gogeta's power?


You added the "He only wanted the fusion to use Super Saiyan" part, which fits with how you think Gogeta stacks against Vegetto. It wasn't actually said by Toriyama.
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Sep 25 2012, 01:44 PM
Paikuan extreme
Sep 25 2012, 06:22 AM
i didnt change the topic, just made a point.

the continuity of the movies seems important to some more than others.

this has bearing on gogetas strength level also.

I just didn't want to get into another Broly debate.
miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 07:04 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Sep 25 2012, 03:17 AM
miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 02:48 AM
He didn't say original super saiyan form I paraphrased that part the word for word form was Vegito was so strong he didn't need anything but Super Saiyan.
So what you said was just a mere add-on to fulfill your Gogeta belief, and isn't based in an actual proof, and thus isn't evidence in this debate. :@
How is what I said different from what AT said and if it is how does what I said effect Gogeta's power?


You added the "He only wanted the fusion to use Super Saiyan" part, which fits with how you think Gogeta stacks against Vegetto. It wasn't actually said by Toriyama.
Well I apologize but the quote I wrote seems like it's the same thing to me.

Also don't see how that effects my Gogeta theory though.

When I paraphrased also the quote is describing Vegito not Gogeta.

The only thing AT said about Gogeta and Vegito is MSSJ Vegito> MSSJ Gogeta and that the fans think Gogeta is cooler and he thinks Vegito is cooler.
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miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 09:17 PM
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Sep 25 2012, 01:44 PM
Paikuan extreme
Sep 25 2012, 06:22 AM
i didnt change the topic, just made a point.

the continuity of the movies seems important to some more than others.

this has bearing on gogetas strength level also.

I just didn't want to get into another Broly debate.
miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 07:04 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Sep 25 2012, 03:17 AM
miguelnuva
Sep 25 2012, 02:48 AM
He didn't say original super saiyan form I paraphrased that part the word for word form was Vegito was so strong he didn't need anything but Super Saiyan.
So what you said was just a mere add-on to fulfill your Gogeta belief, and isn't based in an actual proof, and thus isn't evidence in this debate. :@
How is what I said different from what AT said and if it is how does what I said effect Gogeta's power?


You added the "He only wanted the fusion to use Super Saiyan" part, which fits with how you think Gogeta stacks against Vegetto. It wasn't actually said by Toriyama.
Well I apologize but the quote I wrote seems like it's the same thing to me.

Also don't see how that effects my Gogeta theory though.

When I paraphrased also the quote is describing Vegito not Gogeta.

The only thing AT said about Gogeta and Vegito is MSSJ Vegito> MSSJ Gogeta and that the fans think Gogeta is cooler and he thinks Vegito is cooler.
See, again, you're morphing it to fit into your belief. Toriyama didn't say anything directly about power. He only said he had to do something different because Fusion had been used already. All strength implications and statements come from the manga, D4, and D7.
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When you say I morphing it are you talking about this?

The only thing AT said about Gogeta and Vegito is MSSJ Vegito> MSSJ Gogeta and that the fans think Gogeta is cooler and he thinks Vegito is cooler.

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miguelnuva
Sep 26 2012, 04:34 AM
When you say I morphing it are you talking about this?

The only thing AT said about Gogeta and Vegito is MSSJ Vegito> MSSJ Gogeta and that the fans think Gogeta is cooler and he thinks Vegito is cooler.

Yes. You're still including specific forms when AT didn't specify.
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what pyro means is that you are paraphrasing the truth to make it sound like what you said was accurate, AT did not discuss using any specifics for vegetto, he just said he wouldnt have done it the way toei did.

Nothing about ssj.
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