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| Pylons | Sep 23 2012, 04:23 PM Post #16 |
 
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That's true. Dan's a good scrambler too, in the opening rounds of the Shields fight he was able to get back to his feet consistantly until he gassed so even if he was taken down he'd be able to get back up pretty fast. Another fight I'd want to see is Evans vs Shogun but I've heard that Evans wants to cut down to Middleweight. How do you think that fight would go? And a fight between Evans and Anderson Silva? Edited by Pylons, Sep 23 2012, 04:24 PM.
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i think anyone + anderson silva is lunch meat. he'll have a good chance against wanderlai though. |
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| Pylons | Sep 23 2012, 05:03 PM Post #18 |
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I'd like to see Chris Weidman against Anderson. Think the fight vs Bonnar is a weird fight. If he wanted to come up to LHW he should fight Jones or someone in top 10. |
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Sep 23 2012, 05:13 PM Post #19 |
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but , but , stephan bonnar is the phenom. -_- he goes the distance. Like florence (forrest) griffin. |
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| Pylons | Sep 23 2012, 05:48 PM Post #20 |
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What do you guys think of the knee kicks that Jones uses? Where he throws kicks to the other fighter's knee causing their knee to hyperextend like a kneebar if they have their foot planted when he kicks. Do you think it's fair? To me it's something that the athletic commission should think about banning since it's a dangerous technique that requires no setup and can damage someone really bad if timed correctly. Knee injuries are career ending at times.
Edited by Pylons, Sep 23 2012, 05:49 PM.
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Sep 23 2012, 05:51 PM Post #21 |
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Was talking to MC about this a bit http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8377915/2/ I don't think they should be legal. |
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| + Pelador | Sep 23 2012, 06:04 PM Post #22 |
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I'm the complete opposite and want anything goes kind of fights. Eye gouging, headbutting, biting, ect. Maybe not weapons of course. We don't want our favourite fighters to die. But I think a bit more blood would balance out all the boring jiu jitsu crap in terms of entertainment. My favourite fights were actually from the prelims. The first one was fantastic. I forget if this was in the prelims or not but this guy got his forehead cut open pretty bad and he kind of reminded me of the red skull from all the blood. But I still want more. What do you think about the last fight that lasted 45 seconds? Was the referee right to stop it? Whilst I don't think the guy was actually ko'd, I can completely understand why the referee stopped it. He had his face to the floor like he was done in and was kind of rag doll like. I still hate that referee though. He's an idiot and is always making these kind of blunders as well as standing people up too early in almost every fight he referees. Also, nobody has been killed in a licensed mma fight yet. I wonder when we will see the first fatality? I know it's extremely safe and even less dangerous than boxing but it's still large men hitting each other until they're unconcious. It's gotta happen sometime surely? |
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| Pylons | Sep 23 2012, 06:18 PM Post #23 |
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I don't find bjj or wrestling boring at all and I'd prefer if there wasn't groin shots, head butting like the early UFCs. Alot of great fighters have good grappling bases. Dominic Cruz, Mighty Mouse, Jon Jones, Ben Henderson, they're all champions of their divisions and all come from a wrestling background and use their wrestling to take the fight where they have the advantage, whether its on the feet or on the ground and it's because of their confidence in their takedown defense that they can open up with their strikes and not worry about being taken down. Jose aldo and Junior Dos Santons come from a bjj background too and both are extremely exciting. Jose Aldo doesn't use his bjj very often but it's because he's so good off his back at submissions that he can open up with his strikes too. Demian Maia is an exciting fighter and he uses his bjj offensively. I hope no one ever dies in an mma fight and I think that the top promotions like UFC and Strikeforce are careful to make sure their fighters are medically cleared before fighting. Like when Thiago Alves had a prefight medical exam and was told to pull out of a fight because of a brain injury he had apparently. Edited by Pylons, Sep 23 2012, 06:20 PM.
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Sep 23 2012, 07:53 PM Post #24 |
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Pure fighting is the best fighting, guess ill agree to disagree. No way do i advocate limiting full contact fighting, they already have that kind of competition, its called a point based system. Early UFC was pure, the legality is what made all these rules in the first place. You cant claim no fair in a no holds barred fight. Only purposely incapacitating like a scrotum shot should be illegal. Otherwise? you signed the paperwork, you knew what you were getting into. people who dont like it? watch other competitions, dont try to change what it is for YOUR liking. it is what it is. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Sep 23 2012, 08:10 PM Post #25 |
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A knee strike is as bad as a groin shot. It's not a matter of skill anyway. The fighting should be skilled, not just that the guy/girl who has no respect for the other person's future wellbeing wins because he/she is willing to kick them through the knee. |
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Sep 23 2012, 10:00 PM Post #26 |
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gotta pay to play, its their choice, they know the rules. besides that, yes avoiding groin shots SHOULD be encouraged with force. Its still a competition after all, but no matter how you slice it? it wont be a full contact fighting match if you start LIMITING the contact. Now most of it IS shootfighting, jujitsu and wrestling, you get the BIGGEST points for those. elbows, knee blows, heel kicks, spinning round houses, all dangerous moves, all of them inherent in just about every martial art invented,... anywhere. They have competition wrestling and kickboxing, those have the same attributes you are looking for, they already exist. Its unfortunate some pro kickboxers feel the need to go MMA, as do boxers, wrestlers, and weapon specialists. But the truth remains, full contat initiates the need for skill, so its not JUST about exuding skill, its about how you react WITH that skill in a real life situation, its WHy MMA is so big. Cause its REAL. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Sep 23 2012, 10:04 PM.
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| Pylons | Sep 23 2012, 10:11 PM Post #27 |
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If things like soccer kicks and stomps were legal I'd be fine with that, like Pride rules but things like eye gouging, biting, groin shots, have no place in the sport.
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| + Pelador | Sep 23 2012, 10:38 PM Post #28 |
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Why not? I'd do it in a real fight no question. I watch this competition sometimes, no everytime actually and I always think if he was allowed to do this then he could get out of this position so easily. Games are won and lost because some techniques are not allowed. It would change the whole dynanic of the sport. Jui jitsu wouldn't be nearly as effective if the person thought they might get a knee to the face or their ear lobe ripped off. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Sep 23 2012, 10:40 PM Post #29 |
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Most fighters dont go for kicks on the knee because they don't like them. So you cant just say you signed up for it. I'm sure that if Machida wanted to he could put his foot through a lot of knees, including Jones', but he won't because he has some respect. It's not real, its to show skill safely. If it was real it would be illegal, because people would be dead. And it wouldn't be much fun watchin it since people would just be going for a quick victory, breaking people's fingers and stuff, and you would never see guys like fedor, sakuraba or silva because they wouldn't sign up just to permanently hurt people. |
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Sep 23 2012, 10:48 PM Post #30 |
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youre missing the point, skill safety is what point based competitions are for. The only thing more real than this IS a real lie combat situation, and if you dont believe it? Ask naruto gogeta, im not the only one that has been in actual martial arts competitions with teams. A sport is a sport, when UFC first started, it was extreme underground fighting, you better believe they signed that waiver. |
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