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My Final Conclusion; Leave your ignoramus ignorance aside for one moment as I beg on your indulgence for a moment
Topic Started: Sep 22 2012, 03:54 PM (2,174 Views)
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Leave your ignoramus ignorance aside for one moment as I beg on your indulgence for a moment.

There seems to have been three different theories I have been conflicted upon about where Broly stands:

Toeiverse: The theory that the Broly movies took place in the anime universe instead of the manga universe of DBZ, if so Broly is seemingly haxed in both M10 and M8 (RSSj Broly > SSj2 Gohan (Rosat) supported by the claims of Goku saying Broly is stronger than all of them as an RSSj, and Piccolo stating LSSj Broly has incredible ki that he could even sense it around Earth. Take into account that LSSj Broly is lower than the SSj2 Multiplier, M8 Broly could be in fact high SSj2 tier in M8, and crazy SSj3 tier in M10 in this theory.

LSSj Broly >> RSSj Broly > Near SSj2 Gohan > MSSj Goku > everyone else.

LSSj Broly (M10 Zenkai) >>> SSj2 Goku > SSj2 Gohan (M10) = Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Budokai Gohan

Cannonverse Amplifier: The theory that Broly tanking an amplified Kamehameha from MSSj Goku makes him above even the likes of FP PC. Also, if we take into account that Gohan states he got stronger in M10, in which Broly demolished SSj2 Gohan like nothing, but didn't manage to go ahead and tank Gohan's KHH as an MSSj, meaning there is an amplfiier in these movies. MSSj Gohan (M10) >> M8 Goku = Cell Games Goku? There is also the fact that Broly survived the SSj2 Goku + Gohan + SSj Goten KHH. This theory also means M10 LSSj Broly >>> SSj2 Goku Buu Saga, and is in Low SSj3 Tier at the least.

SPC/SSj2 Kid Gohan ~ M8 LSSj Broly > FP PC > MSSj Cell Games Gohan > MSSJ Goku > MSSj Gohan (M8)

Trio Kamehameha >/= SSj3 Goku >>/> Movie 10 LSSj Broly >>> SSj2 Goku > SSj2 M10 Gohan > SSj2 Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Budokai Gohan

Hax: The theory that when Gohan was able to go head to head against SSj Broly as the SSj Kids are shocked, even though I believe Broly was suppressing himself. This means SSj2 Gohan is above even the likes of SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Vegeta, and Broly is beyond SSj3 tier.

Trio Kamehameha >>/= M10 LSSj Broly ~/>> SSj3 Goku >>> SSj2 Goku > SSj2 M10 Gohan > SSj2 Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Budokai Gohan

You have to take into consideration that you cannot ignore scenes Toei put, it's their anime and their movies. We can also take into the fact that we can use the Manga hints about the KHH but really, we all know that in both instances in the Anime and Manga, if you choose to ignore the KHH Goku used on Broly or the one Gohan used on Broly, then go ahead and ignore Goku using the KHH on Cell and have Goku himself more than FP PC, or Gohan choosing to deflect Cell's KHH on him with his own.

The Amplifier in Movies ALWAYS has to be taken into account, if not, why use it? There is many instancs where amplifiers are shown in movies, and I've listed them before.

So, all theories support the fact that M10 LSSj Broly is above SSj2 tier, it's just which one is the most accurate?
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what amplifiers? the only one that should exist is for MSSJ. thats it.

no one can amplify their power past their peak limit. No KHH in the cell games came close to hurting FPPC, where you got that from i dont know. But apparently it doesnt mean anything to you that he wasnt against goku.

Gokus KHH against a fully powered PC means about as much as it did against broly.

The warp Kame blast couldnt have gone anywhere past gokus limit for his USSJ form with the extra energy he used to make MSSJ, and conserve energy. So gokus amplifies blast couldnt have been anywhere past what brolys max power is over his.

i have broly 1.5x stronger in his LSSJ bulk form than goku. More than enough to tank a kame blast.

ask anime general tao.

Otherwise as far as theories go? i see nothing wrong. Except you having movie 8 gohan able to over take main timeline gohan in power.
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Wait, you seriously have the LSSJ Multiplier at 1.5x or Broly only 1.5x stronger than him?

Either way, it's way off.

Edited by GridZero, Sep 22 2012, 04:31 PM.
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Sep 22 2012, 04:30 PM
Wait, you seriously have the LSSJ Multiplier at 1.5x or Broly only 1.5x stronger than him?

Either way, it's way off.


EDIT: Herp derp you are talking to ninja
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GridZero
Sep 22 2012, 04:30 PM
Wait, you seriously have the LSSJ Multiplier at 1.5x or Broly only 1.5x stronger than him?

Either way, it's way off.

yup.

sure do.

it doesnt take a whole bunch of bajillion numbers to overpower people in this world.

hardly wrong. anime tao tanked gokus KHH just as good as broly did, and that was before he ran up the tower.

are you going to tell me that tao was over 2x stronger than goku to tank that attack at full power?

i dont think you can.
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It isn't wrong at all. It's a bad comparison.

Tao can tank a KHH but be taken out by a grenade?

So many problems there.
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Kamehamehas in DB were hardly amplified.
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Tao didn't even tank it like Broly. Tao had to block it from a distance while Broly walked directly into it at point blank range.

I'm not sure if distance has any affect on power, but the point is Broly didn't even need to block it, he just walked into it.
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I'll post what I think here soon, but right now I'm gonna sit back with my popcorn and see what happens...90% of the Broli Threads spell disaster, so I wanna watch and see how bad this one gets first.
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Sep 22 2012, 05:09 PM
I'll post what I think here soon, but right now I'm gonna sit back with my popcorn and see what happens...90% of the Broli Threads spell disaster, so I wanna watch and see how bad this one gets first.
Almost everyone agrees with LSSj Broly >> SSj2 Goku so I don't think this will get bad, derp.
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I have a picture perfectly good for a thread like this.

Shame I can't post it.

But I'm going to sit back and watch the baseless assumptions, so for now, I'm done.
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Sep 22 2012, 05:11 PM
I have a picture perfectly good for a thread like this.

Shame I can't post it.

But I'm going to sit back and watch the baseless assumptions, so for now, I'm done.
Go on bro.
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Clearin
Sep 22 2012, 05:00 PM
Tao didn't even tank it like Broly. Tao had to block it from a distance while Broly walked directly into it at point blank range.

I'm not sure if distance has any affect on power, but the point is Broly didn't even need to block it, he just walked into it.
yes he did, not only did he tank it, he braced for it , and goku let him have it.

might i ask WHAT it being amplified to any extent has to do with it?

If the KHH is a natural multiplied technique then goku should have hit tao with it at least two times his own strength.

so yeah, minimizing what happened doesnt change what happened.
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Broly didn't brace for it, lol, he just stood and smiled the whole time.
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Paikuan extreme
Sep 22 2012, 06:28 PM
yes he did, not only did he tank it, he braced for it , and goku let him have it.
Exactly, Tao braced for, and IIRC, he was even quite bruised and his clothes were ruined. That's far from tanking. Not to mention that KHH blasts weren't amplified for crap back then...Tao's "tanking" feat really isn't impressive at all next to Broly's.

I've had my fair share, time to sit back and enjoy.
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