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Lssj vs Assj vs ssj 2
Topic Started: Sep 21 2012, 01:08 PM (1,689 Views)
Gotunks
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yes, the story of trunks vs broly has been giong on for quite some time, yes, broly may have a higher power level, and he may be much more powerful than trunks, but when i see Assj (assended super saiyan) vs lssj (legendary supersaiyan, i get mad when they compare broly and trunks, and piont out how broly toys with trunks, in cases like this, u need to go hypethetical, from normal to ssj= x50, we all know that, now, when gohan went ssj 2, he shocked everybody with both power and speed, even vegeta was shocked, meaning the boost is huge, and there i'd say the power would multiply by 10, now lssj vs assj, they are exactly the same thing, both multiply power by 5, lssj was pure, uncontrolled rage, assj comes from training, ssj 2 is also rage, but gohan maneged to control it, and what i call controlled anger, is much more powerful than pure rage, pleese, feel free to give ur comments
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In terms of multipliers, I see:

SSJ2 > LSSJ >> ASSJ.

LSSJ and ASSJ are totally different things; ASSJ is just a beefed up SSJ, or a branch of SSJ, while LSSJ is its own form. SSJ2, in my opinion, gives a bigger boost than LSSJ though, but LSSJ has certain properties like chi replenishment and durability.
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Here's the thing, let me dissect this:

Daiz:

SSj Broly > MSSj Goku

Movie 10 infers:
LSSj Broly >> SSj2 Goku >/= SSj2 Teen Gohan > SSj2 Kid Gohan > SSj2 Budokai Gohan

Obviously, SSj2 needs a bigger multiplier to beat LSSj Broly.

So, all in all:

LSSj > SSj2 >>> ASSj

Multipliers:
SSj2 > LSSj >>> ASSj

I can see LSSj being 90x base, and SSj2 100x base. ASSj is 62.5x base, USSj2 is probably around 70, and USSj3 is 75.
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Lssj is bigger then a saiyan going form base to ssj2 lol

Lssj>>>ssj2>>>>>>>>>>>assj
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broly was holding back his punches lol
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Feel like a sir

SSJ2 Owns.
LSSJ Imo is the same mulitplier as USSJ,Only thing is speed doesn't change.
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When it comes to total multipliers IMO: LSSj»USSj»SSj2»ASSj. I see Ultra Super Saiyan as an attempt to go Super Saiyan 2 while already bulked up as an Ascended Super Saiyan. The result being a failed, overpowered Super Saiyan 2 that further exasperates the flaws of Ascended Super Saiyan (slower speed at the cost of increased power) instead of greatly increasing power & speed in a more balanced way. Legendary Super Saiyan is a transformation completely unique to Broly, which IMO, due to TOEI having created Broly as the strongest saiyan, is a larger multiplier than SSj2 & SSj3 (which can be used by any regular saiyans & half saiyans). And due to TOEI stating that Broly`s LSSj transformation puts him into a class of his own, IMO LSSj is the greater multiplier by a large amount. Ex:

SSj = 50x Base
MSSj = 50x Base
ASSj = 2x SSj,
USSj = 10x ASSj
SSj2 = 10x SSj
SSj3 = 100x SSj2
LSSj = 10,000x SSj (Initial), 1,000,000x SSj (Max)

I take the Diaz stating that Broly having bottomless power in his Legendary Super Saiyan form as being non literal. IMO it refers to the forms massive multiplier, Broly having infinite replenshing ki, stamina & endurance in the form, Broly's ability to power up further in the form (displayed 3x in M8), as well as the forms greatly increased physical strength & durability (in proportion to the multiplier for the form).
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yet again, their base power was not the same, i point out multiplyers, you go directly to the movie and point out how the one owns the other...
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Gotunks
Oct 13 2012, 09:18 PM
yet again, their base power was not the same, i point out multiplyers, you go directly to the movie and point out how the one owns the other...
Nothing in the movie implied that Trunks could do anything to LSSj Broly. USSj was also only compared to SSj2 in terms of a multiplier by Trunks himself stating that Gohan had gained both the power & the speed to destroy Cell while he himself had only gained the power (while losing the speed). Broly`s LSSj form was also stated to have placed him into a class of his own & was compared to a bottomless super power. This is what makes me think that the LSSj form is far beyond the canon Super Saiyan transformations in every aspect, including the multiplier.
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Oct 13 2012, 08:13 PM
When it comes to total multipliers IMO: LSSj»USSj»SSj2»ASSj. I see Ultra Super Saiyan as an attempt to go Super Saiyan 2 while already bulked up as an Ascended Super Saiyan. The result being a failed, overpowered Super Saiyan 2 that further exasperates the flaws of Ascended Super Saiyan (slower speed at the cost of increased power) instead of greatly increasing power & speed in a more balanced way. Legendary Super Saiyan is a transformation completely unique to Broly, which IMO, due to TOEI having created Broly as the strongest saiyan, is a larger multiplier than SSj2 & SSj3 (which can be used by any regular saiyans & half saiyans). And due to TOEI stating that Broly`s LSSj transformation puts him into a class of his own, IMO LSSj is the greater multiplier by a large amount. Ex:

SSj = 50x Base
MSSj = 50x Base
ASSj = 2x SSj,
USSj = 10x ASSj
SSj2 = 10x SSj
SSj3 = 10x SSj2
LSSj = 1,000x SSj (Initial), 10,000x SSj (Max)

I take the Diaz stating that Broly having bottomless power in his Legendary Super Saiyan form as being non literal. IMO it refers to the forms massive multiplier, Broly having infinite replenshing ki, stamina & endurance in the form, Broly's ability to power up further in the form (displayed 3x in M8), as well as the forms greatly increased physical strength & durability (in proportion to the multiplier for the form).
If LSSjin was 1,000x SSjin, then the Family Kamehameha in Movie 10 wouldn't have phased him at all, yet he felt the need to put up a barrier, and he was still forced off the planet after the fact.
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^Yeah, and just plain-old SSJ Broly is already well above the MSSJs he faces each time. You can make the LSSJ multiplier exactly the same as SSJ2, or even lower, and he's still exactly where he needs to be. Sticking on higher multipliers is just baseless bloating IMO.

Pretty sure Freeza and maybe Piccolo-Daimao were said to have bottomless power, as well. I doubt such statements are meant to be taken as if to say "he's super duper uber strong". If anything, it relates more to his chi replenishment capabilities.
Edited by Kyouks, Oct 14 2012, 06:44 AM.
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