Can anyone in the dbzverse lift planets?

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Can anyone in the dbzverse lift planets?
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+ Pyrus	Sep 17 2012, 09:34 PM Post #31
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	For me, that excuse doesn't work in this situation. It works with Vegeta and Trunks training in the gravity room because Vegeta is visibly exhausted with sweat droplets and a tired expression. Goku was sweating in Base, but lost that sweat when he went Super Saiyan. If he was tired from training beforehand, he should've kept the sweat regardless of form. Instead, it's implied he was only sweating because the weights were too heavy for his normal power.
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+ Clearin	Sep 17 2012, 09:37 PM Post #32
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Plus South Kai was extremely shocked at Goku when he was only using 8 tons implying that's a big deal. The difference between pushing a Planet and training with 8 tons is just massive, it's unbelievably massive so I don't think Toriyama would have made South Kai so suprised if Goku from 3 sagas ago was pushing Planet's around with ease.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 17 2012, 09:39 PM Post #33
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	him going SSj while doing that, and able to go out like he did was a clear indication he was working to get stronger in base. But 40 tons means ten tons on each limb. and he only had about 2.5 tons on each limb before that. Spiderman could do that. thats pretty weak in the massive super strength category. But pretty good otherwise.



~~Super Gogito~~	Sep 17 2012, 09:58 PM Post #34
Posts: 892 Group: Suspended Member #7,339 Joined: February 21, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga DragonBall	dangerousbob Sep 17 2012, 03:03 AM they might be able to move a planet by blasting it with energy or something but not "lift it" in the sense that you are talking. And if they tried they would just break into the ground. Think of trying to push a marshmallow the size of a house with your finger. You would just go into it. They would have to suppress their ki blast enough to move the planet instead of destroying it. Edited by Super Gogito, Sep 17 2012, 09:58 PM.
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+ Kyouks	Sep 17 2012, 10:39 PM Post #35
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	I'm pretty sure there was higher gravity on that planet...but regardless, Goku isn't coming anywhere close to pushing/lifting a planet. No one is.



+ Pyrus	Sep 17 2012, 10:50 PM Post #36
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Kanzenshuu covered this pretty well I'd say. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21408&start=20
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 17 2012, 11:20 PM Post #37
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	i would say that the second post is dead on. toriyama wanted to make goku believable. Falling from 40 tons is believable when most superheros in other comics arent even THAT strong. but it was an increase from 2.5 tons (or about) to 10 tons each. Thats a cold increase percentage wise. there is too much going on for people to take serious, one of the major reasons i disregard alot of the movie transformations, especially when its obvious they started stealing the look for continuity purposes. No movie before movie 7 did that. Movie 6 goku was so much stronger than post namek goku it was ridiculous. Movie 7 goku was weaker than cell games goku but stronger than android saga goku by far. No rosat. i dont read kanzenshuu, but thats a good find. taking it way to serious.



POOHEAD189	Sep 17 2012, 11:37 PM Post #38
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 17 2012, 09:34 PM For me, that excuse doesn't work in this situation. It works with Vegeta and Trunks training in the gravity room because Vegeta is visibly exhausted with sweat droplets and a tired expression. Goku was sweating in Base, but lost that sweat when he went Super Saiyan. If he was tired from training beforehand, he should've kept the sweat regardless of form. Instead, it's implied he was only sweating because the weights were too heavy for his normal power. Even if he was tired and had been training all day (or however long he could have been training. I don't think Other World has a sun, so maybe the day lasts forever.) then yes he would have had an easier time training in his transformation. The sweat indicates SS could handle what base couldn't, but that doesnt mean he hadn't been training for x amount of time. Also, I don't think the kanzenshuu really covers it at all. It pretty much says "This is what I think, but hey it's debatable." If physical limits/unlimited ki theory was true, and Goku could only lift 40 tons, or...if anyone could only lift 40 tons, then the characters in DBZ would never punch or kick anything ever. They would always shoot ki blasts, and whoever shot the first ki blast would win the fight. End of story. Always and forever. Because their bodies couldn't take planet destroying blasts. If Freiza could blow up Namek 1st form, and he managed to shoot SSJ Goku with that planet blast blast, then Goku would have been obliterated. Toriyama probably did slap on a number and say what was said. I know the manga is the manga, but since dragonball contradicts itself so much, I'm going with what he's pretty much implied throughout the entire series, and all of his influences, instead of once when he throws a number down. I'll put it up to training all day and higher gravity. Imo, to believe that is to pretty much make the entire show a lie. Edited by POOHEAD189, Sep 17 2012, 11:55 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 18 2012, 12:04 AM Post #39
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	POOHEAD189 Sep 17 2012, 11:37 PM Even if he was tired and had been training all day (or however long he could have been training. I don't think Other World has a sun, so maybe the day lasts forever.) then yes he would have had an easier time training in his transformation. The sweat indicates SS could handle what base couldn't, but that doesnt mean he hadn't been training for x amount of time. But then why did the sweat disappear immediately? It should've stayed if he was tired from an extensive period of training, instead of just those few moments we see. Quote: Also, I don't think the kanzenshuu really covers it at all. It pretty much says "This is what I think, but hey it's debatable." If physical limits/unlimited ki theory was true, and Goku could only lift 40 tons, or...if anyone could only lift 40 tons, then the characters in DBZ would never punch or kick anything ever. They would always shoot ki blasts, and whoever shot the first ki blast would win the fight. End of story. Always and forever. Because their bodies couldn't take planet destroying blasts. If Freiza could blow up Namek 1st form, and he managed to shoot SSJ Goku with that planet blast blast, then Goku would have been obliterated. I don't get it. Quote: Toriyama probably did slap on a number and say what was said. I know the manga is the manga, but since dragonball contradicts itself so much, I'm going with what he's pretty much implied throughout the entire series, and all of his influences, instead of once when he throws a number down. I'll put it up to training all day and higher gravity. Imo, to believe that is to pretty much make the entire show a lie. Eh, believe what you want, I guess. Later moments take precedence over earlier moments to me. You could've just used the SEG explanation of him having a hard time because he was flying while doing it. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 18 2012, 12:05 AM.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 18 2012, 12:09 AM Post #40
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	im not really sure it matters if youre a spirit made flesh, that would give him limits he said he didnt have in the underworld. especially pertaining to SSj3.



POOHEAD189	Sep 18 2012, 05:01 AM Post #41
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Quote: But then why did the sweat disappear immediately? It should've stayed if he was tired from an extensive period of training, instead of just those few moments we see. As weird as this sounds, there's different kinds of sweat in manga XD Like, the tired sweat to show excurtion (sometimes it isn't shown), the awkward sweat where someone does something...wierd, and the others have a single sweat drop, and then this time, it showed sweat to show it was too much for him in base form. Vegeta wasn't sweating after he got the senzu bean from the Ginyu saga, but we all know he was tired. Quote: I don't get it. Like... If the bodies have limits but ki doesn't, then their physical forms have a stopping point of strength and toughness, yet ki manipulation and attacks do not. Therefore... SSJ Goku in the Namek saga would not be able to sustain a planet destroying energy blast that 1st form frieza is able to create. In fact, no one could survive any sufficiently powerful ki attacks (or even weak ones post Namek saga). Hell, a blast from Raditz could probably badly scar SSJ Goku. In DBZ, opponents would win based solely on ki attacks, and whoever was hit first by one (unless they use an energy shield). That isn't the case though thank Jebus. Bodies grow stronger just as the ki does, because they are one and the same. The energy makes the body strong.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 18 2012, 05:18 AM Post #42
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	yes it does, but you also train to be able to channel that energy also. but it can only go so far. Ki can be as well. your mind and body can only take so much. if goku NEVER died? he would never have gotten the spiritual training needed to raise his potential to almost limitless proportion. So it does have alot to do with natural affinity to spirit energy.



~~Super Gogito~~	Oct 10 2012, 09:56 PM Post #43
Posts: 892 Group: Suspended Member #7,339 Joined: February 21, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga DragonBall	I agree with dangerousbob that they might be able to move planets with ki blasts, provided that they don't destroy them. Although this was filler, Vegeta, while training on a planet for the androids, almost moved a gigantic asteroid using his ki blast.
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+ supersaqer	Oct 11 2012, 11:42 AM Post #44
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	In an interview, Akira stated that Broly can destroy a planet with a single punch. That pretty much answers your thread, Super Gogeta.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Oct 11 2012, 12:20 PM Post #45
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	supersaqer Oct 11 2012, 11:42 AM In an interview, Akira stated that Broly can destroy a planet with a single punch. That pretty much answers your thread, Super Gogeta. 1. I doubt the authenticity of that interview 2. Even if it is true, the translation is "in one blow." Blow doesn't necessarily mean a punch 3. Broly isn't a canon character, what he can do has no impact on the series 4. Is it really up to AT to say what Broly is capable of? He's a movie character, all AT did is give a design. His feats also do not support him being able to do that either. So yeah, I don't really think that answers much.
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