Can anyone in the dbzverse lift planets?

Rotation Advertisements

We hope you enjoy your visit to this forum.

If you are reading this then it means you are currently browsing the forum as a guest, we don’t limit any of the content posted from guests however if you join, you will have the ability to join the discussions! We are always happy to see new faces at this forum and we would like to hear your opinion, so why not register now? It doesn’t take long and you can get posting right away.

Click here to Register!

If you are having difficulties validating your account please email us at admin@dbzf.co.uk

If you're already a member please log in to your account:

Pages:
1
2
3
4
5

Can anyone in the dbzverse lift planets?
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 16 2012, 07:52 PM (6,317 Views)
*Copy_Ninja*	Sep 17 2012, 05:48 AM Post #16
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	The simple fact of the matter is this: Buu Saga base Goku said that in base he could not (or just barely, I think the exact line was "barely able to move" or something like that) lift or move his body with 10 tonnes on each limb. It's the manga canon, no amount of explanation can change it. Thusly, unless the subsequent transformations make you millions of times stronger, no DBZ character is moving planets.
	We'll never be those kids again


+ Pyrus	Sep 17 2012, 06:15 AM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The Earth weighs approximately 13,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000lbs...right? Goku isn't touching that number according to official multipliers. With Super Saiyan 3, he'd be hitting 16,000lbs going by 400 x Base, and that's assuming physical strength goes up with raw power. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 17 2012, 06:16 AM.
	Spoiler: click to toggle


+ supersaqer	Sep 17 2012, 08:40 AM Post #18
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Goku as in SSjin 2 pushed a mountain range meters apart with a hand on each side. Small mountains weigh high hundred millions of tons to billions of tons, and SSjin 2 Goku is likely thousands of times weaker than Ultimate Gohan who's likely 10x weaker than SSjin Vegetto or more. I dunno how much does a planet weigh, but it's unlikely. Going by calculated feats and power level scaling, SSjin Goku on Namek can destroy small island/s. It's likely by the Android/Cell sagas they can do it. SSjin 3 Gotenks destroyed an Island sized formation of rock. Going by power-scaling, SSjin Vegetto should be around Multi-Country level of strength, possibly more, so no. They can't going by this. Edited by supersaqer, Sep 17 2012, 08:43 AM.
	Speed-o'-Sound Sonic


+ Pyrus	Sep 17 2012, 09:11 AM Post #19
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	supersaqer Sep 17 2012, 08:40 AM Goku as in SSjin 2 pushed a mountain range meters apart with a hand on each side. Small mountains weigh high hundred millions of tons to billions of tons, and SSjin 2 Goku is likely thousands of times weaker than Ultimate Gohan who's likely 10x weaker than SSjin Vegetto or more. I dunno how much does a planet weigh, but it's unlikely. Going by calculated feats and power level scaling, SSjin Goku on Namek can destroy small island/s. It's likely by the Android/Cell sagas they can do it. SSjin 3 Gotenks destroyed an Island sized formation of rock. Going by power-scaling, SSjin Vegetto should be around Multi-Country level of strength, possibly more, so no. They can't going by this. The mountain splitting was filler.
	Spoiler: click to toggle


* Crashbreaka	Sep 17 2012, 10:21 AM Post #20
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 17 2012, 02:56 AM crashbreaka Sep 17 2012, 02:44 AM Clearin Sep 17 2012, 01:53 AM POOHEAD189 Sep 17 2012, 01:46 AM I think they could move a planet quite easily if they didn't collapse into the planet by pushing it. If Goku, who I believe has the strength to move a planet by Captain Ginyu saga easily, tries to push the planet, he'll sink into the ground and not move it. So he just got that much weaker by the Buu saga? How does a guy go from being able to push planets with ease to struggling with 40 tons on his limbs? Is the planet only big enough to fit all fans of Yamcha onto it? ;D If you ask me, that was Goku only using his base strength, eg. Not incorporating his ki into his strength. Also, gravity on that planet would probably been around 10-100 I will never believe 40 tonnes is a big deal for Goku. Especially when he is seen pushing 300+ tonne boulders in Dragon Ball. Were they stated to be 300+ ton boulders, or do you just assume they were? Its just a very heavily logical opinion. There is absolutely no way I will be convinced otherwise (seriously, I did the math) The height of the boulder is at least 20 feet wide and tall (estimated from Roshi's height. Also these numbers are actually smaller than they would normal be. I'm just making a point.). Surface area of a circle is (π r ^ 2) r = 10 ft 10 ^ 2 = 100 π 100 = ~314.15 Multiply it by the volume 314.15 x 20 = 6,283 ft ^ 3 (or 191505.8 cm ^ 3, if you don't live in America) On average a cubic foot of rock weighs 155-165 Ibs. I'l use 150 as an average: 150 (the density) x 6,283 (the volume) = 942450 Ibs. Which is 427.5 tonnes. MINIMUM. Physics'd again. EDIT: Pushing and lifting aren't the same. Using a friction co-efficient for rock going over hard ground, he would have a lifting power of around 213.75. Edited by Crashbreaka, Sep 17 2012, 11:35 AM.



+ supersaqer	Sep 17 2012, 10:40 AM Post #21
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 17 2012, 09:11 AM supersaqer Sep 17 2012, 08:40 AM Goku as in SSjin 2 pushed a mountain range meters apart with a hand on each side. Small mountains weigh high hundred millions of tons to billions of tons, and SSjin 2 Goku is likely thousands of times weaker than Ultimate Gohan who's likely 10x weaker than SSjin Vegetto or more. I dunno how much does a planet weigh, but it's unlikely. Going by calculated feats and power level scaling, SSjin Goku on Namek can destroy small island/s. It's likely by the Android/Cell sagas they can do it. SSjin 3 Gotenks destroyed an Island sized formation of rock. Going by power-scaling, SSjin Vegetto should be around Multi-Country level of strength, possibly more, so no. They can't going by this. The mountain splitting was filler. Really . Tao's feat puts him around low-high hundred thousands of tons, and Goku is more than a million times more powerful. SSjin Goku on Namek should have the strength to destroy small islands at most, and that's pushing it. Now, I'll do a small least power scaling for Goku through the Android, Cell Games, and Boo Sagas. SSjin Goku (on Namek): 1. SSjin Goku (Post-Yardart): 2 SSjin Goku (Android Saga): 10-20 MSSjin Goku (Cell Games): 200-400+. SSjin Goku (Boo Saga): 400-1,200. Base Goku (EoZ): 160,000-480,000 (official multipliers). Goku is at least around x200,000 times as strong as himself as SSjin on Namek. Just multiply the strength needed to destroy small islands by 200,000 at least, and find out how strong will he be. At least you need 1,000x the strength needed, so Boo Saga SSjin Goku can lift Earth and at least. Android/Cell Games Sagas characters are able to lift planets.
	Speed-o'-Sound Sonic


+ Pyrus	Sep 17 2012, 10:41 AM Post #22
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	DBZ really doesn't follow the laws of physics, though. Just saying.
	Spoiler: click to toggle


* Crashbreaka	Sep 17 2012, 10:43 AM Post #23
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 17 2012, 10:41 AM DBZ really doesn't follow the laws of physics, though. Just saying. I find the strength factors can be explained, just not factors of speed. Quote: Tao's feat puts him around low-high hundred thousands of tons I'm not sure if I could get this right but I'm on a roll. If we assume Tao really did throw a pillar at 2300 km in 30 minutes... Assuming pillar is made of cement (more probably marble), is about 15cm radius and is just under double Tao's height it should weigh around 460 Kg. Adjusting for the strength it would take to keep it in the air for half an hour it would theoretically be the same as lifting an object that weighs 592.3 tonnes MINIMUM. Isn't maths fun EDIT: Forgot to take into account acceleration. He would exert a force capable of lifting 9228.7 tonnes MINIMUM. Edited by Crashbreaka, Sep 18 2012, 12:29 AM.



POOHEAD189	Sep 17 2012, 06:31 PM Post #24
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Math's is fun. So, with my understanding of eastern ki philosophy, and their math, imo, we can rightly believe Goku can move planets. If you disagree, then that's ok. But I'm believing this.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


+ Clearin	Sep 17 2012, 06:48 PM Post #25
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I still find it impossible to believe considering what we've been shown in the Manga. Spoiler: click to toggle



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Sep 17 2012, 06:59 PM Post #26
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Math calcs. for DBZ are nothing more than trivia. Toriyama didn't put that thought into them. Only valid actual strength feat w/ numbers for Boo Saga: Goku struggles to lift 40 tons in base form. Maybe 400 at best if you think Kai's planet had 10 times gravity. Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Sep 17 2012, 07:04 PM.



+ Pyrus	Sep 17 2012, 07:11 PM Post #27
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	nimbus Sep 17 2012, 06:59 PM Math calcs. for DBZ are nothing more than trivia. Toriyama didn't put that thought into them. Only valid actual strength feat w/ numbers for Boo Saga: Goku struggles to lift 40 tons in base form. Maybe 400 at best if you think Kai's planet had 10 times gravity. Agreed. You can calculate all you want for earlier stuff, but we have a valid, stated number for Goku's feat in the Boo Saga. Later stuff overrides earlier stuff. You just have to work around the earlier stuff through some means, or write it off as inconsistent and go with the later showing (as far as feats go). Edited by Pyrus, Sep 17 2012, 07:13 PM.
	Spoiler: click to toggle


Pylons	Sep 17 2012, 08:03 PM Post #28
Posts: 1,998 Group: Member Member #7,432 Joined: March 11, 2012	How would one go about lifting a planet? It's underneath you isn't it? I can't imagine it. A saiyan wouldn't be able to pull a planet with a chain like superman did because they can't breath in space. If Cell, Frieza or Buu were strong enough they could though.
	Let's Go Baby We Rollin'!!!


~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 17 2012, 08:14 PM Post #29
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	supes had a gigantic chain and pulled a bunch of planets its true, i still dont see what ki has to do with it. the human and saiyans USE ki to enhance what they already do, so going supersaiyan takes ki. The humans use ki for superhuman development period. No way around it They dont have the strength, and short of being a powerful telekinetic? dont have the means. chi/ki/chakra is all psychic power, manifested to use through the body. imagine if supes learned ki control. he already can do everything else. A superman trained like a z fighter would be unstoppable. The chris reeve version of supes displayed telekinetic abilities in superman 4.



POOHEAD189	Sep 17 2012, 09:21 PM Post #30
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Well, maybe Goku had been training all day and that had weakened him significantly. I remember when Vegeta was amazed at Goku's strength and speed in the Ginyu Saga, despite the fact that he was close to 1st form frieza's power. He just didn't know it because he was tired as hell, which is why he could face frieza after a nap. He was rested. I know that I can lift 100 pounds, but if I've been doing it all day, then 5 pounds could feel like 100 or more. Don't you think 5 kg is very small amount of weight for Goku in most any saga? Well he used those for training weights in late DBZ for his wrist bands. Quote: Later stuff overrides earlier stuff. I always think the opposite. That earlier stuff overrides later stuff most of the time. Edited by POOHEAD189, Sep 17 2012, 09:28 PM.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


0 users reading this topic

Create a free forum in seconds. Learn More · Register Now
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Dragon Ball/Z Discussion · Next Topic »

Pages:
1
2
3
4
5