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did gohan turn ssj or ssj 2 to defeat broly?
Topic Started: Sep 15 2012, 05:56 PM (19,682 Views)
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Gohan being at a 100% and "thinking" he was at 50% is bull, that's anime-only IIRC....not to mention that Cell has a Saiyan Saga amp for KHH, which goes perfectly with SPC KHH >= 50% Gohan KHH....
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I do not see what's hard with it though Nimbus, Brofist, etc.


MSSJ Goku: 25
MSSJ Goku's ITT Kamehameha: 125
MSSJ Goku's KHH against Broly: 100
Toei Punch: 250

Full Power Perfect Cell: 60-80
~Kamehameha: 300
Cell (against Goku): 25

MSSJ Gohan (Cell Games): 35
SSJ2 Gohan: 70 ~ 120
~Rage Boost: 140


Zenkai Cell: 120

I'm being way too generous to people on where I have Goku's KHH against Broly. It should be dead on with the one he used against Cell.

Movie 8:
RSSJ Broly: 40
LSSJ Broly: 125 ~ 150

MSSJ Gohan: 25, it still doesn't matter if he is his Cell Games self, he still wouldn't be the hero.


Edited by Sircum, Sep 16 2012, 11:00 PM.
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Sircum
Sep 16 2012, 10:51 PM
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Sep 16 2012, 10:49 PM
Sircum
Sep 16 2012, 10:46 PM
You can't go inside a thread and say "hur durr your wrong try again haha"


Get this through your head, dude.

RSSJ Broly > MSSj Goku

MSSJ Goku = suppressed Perfect Cell

MSSJ Goku's KHH > FP PC

LSSj Broly >> MSSJ Goku's KHH

LSSj Broly >> FP PC

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...Ummm, I'm sorry, what? You seriously didn't just suggest that MSSJ Goku KHH was great than Full Powered Perfect Cell. That was a mistake right, clearly you had meant to switch the ">" around. That or I'm being successfully trolled right now.
No.

Perfect Cell got obliterated, easy, who's to say FP PC won't get the same fate?
Well I don't know maybe because...

Full Powered Perfect Cell>Suppressed Perfect Cell>MSSJ Gohan>MSSj Goku.

Seriously do you even know what your talking about anymore?

Stop acting like the Kamehameha wave, (may I remind you was also used not only on a supressed perfect cell, but a slightly weakened one at that who had been fighting Goku for a while) would do the same thing to a healthy perfect cell and you could still include the possilbity of a healthy MSSJ Goku with that too.

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How'd the topic get to this...?

I'm now weighing my options - leave or stay and laugh....

Brofist, remind me again which side you were on? The way your post was structured lost me a bit....


I'm not so much on anyone's side, much more trying to get the correct facts out. i was recently corrected on how SSj2 Goku appeared earlier in Shounen Jump and such. For this point I was making before, I was merely pointing out on how SPC rivaled and through evidence even possibly was greater than SSj2 Chibi Gohan when it seems my opponent was suggesting that SPC was vastly weaker than SSj2 Chibi Gohan.
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Why would it be dead on the one he used against Cell when he charged up his KHH against Cell longer?

Hell, he charged up his KHH against Raditz longer. 1.5x amp at best.
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SPC isn't vastly weaker than Chibi Gohan, but his KHH is....
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"Full Powered Perfect Cell>Suppressed Perfect Cell>MSSJ Gohan>MSSj Goku.

Seriously do you even know what your talking about anymore?

Stop acting like the Kamehameha wave, (may I remind you was also used not only on a supressed perfect cell, but a slightly weakened one at that who had been fighting Goku for a while) would do the same thing to a healthy perfect cell and you could still include the possilbity of a healthy MSSJ Goku with that too."

Wait what? Now I am being the crazy one?

Excuse me broski, I don't have FP PC 5x MSSj Goku. That's wrong. Lol.
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Sep 16 2012, 10:59 PM
Why would it be dead on the one he used against Cell when he charged up his KHH against Cell longer?

Hell, he charged up his KHH against Raditz longer. 1.5x amp at best.
In the manga, he doesn't charge it up for very long.

Goku's IT KHH (manga) ~ KHH on Broly in terms of time, therefore they should be similar in power.
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Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P4.2
Piccolo: “I won’t let you get away…A Kamehameha of the kind of level as before won’t do you any good.”

Yeah, the first time he did a KHH, of course it's weak. Again, look at Krillin's first KHH. Practically no amp at all. MAYBE 1.03x or 1.04x being generous.

As for Goku's KHH at Raditz, that's probably peak right there along w/ Goku's Instant KHH. Nothing to suggest it got outrageously bloated.
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Uh, who cares about manga.

Movies are based on anime.
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Sep 16 2012, 11:01 PM
Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P4.2
Piccolo: “I won’t let you get away…A Kamehameha of the kind of level as before won’t do you any good.”

Yeah, the first time he did a KHH, of course it's weak. Again, look at Krillin's first KHH. Practically no amp at all. MAYBE 1.03x or 1.04x being generous.

As for Goku's KHH at Raditz, that's probably peak right there along w/ Goku's Instant KHH. Nothing to suggest it got outrageously bloated.
Uh, except training. You just contradicted yourself, you're implying that a KHH gets stronger with more experience/training, meaning Cell Saga KHH ought to be >> Saiyan Saga KHH...
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Goku mastered the Kamehameha at Raditz.

2.2-2.5x is the peak multiplier FOR THE KHH itself. It gets better until it hits its absolute peak, which is probably Goku's KHH at Cell, which I'd put at 2.5x.

If he actually tried, he could've put out a 2.5x multiplier at Raditz, but he didn't have the time for that.

No matter who you are, what you are, how long you've been using it, 2.5x -- max KHH multiplier.

(this is disregarding GT)
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nimbus
Sep 16 2012, 11:04 PM
Goku mastered the Kamehameha at Raditz.
'Tis makes no sense, my beloved wayward son. He's implied to have little to no training between EoDB and BoZ.
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broly is below ssj2 goku dot.

^ lol, obviously this is wrong, just take a hint.
Edited by Sircum, Sep 16 2012, 11:07 PM.
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Goku had already been using the KHH by the time he was against Raditz.

He had no room for improvement with it, he had vastly improved the amp from his first KHH to his current KHH and could use the highest possible amp w/ KHH.
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Sep 16 2012, 11:07 PM
Goku had already been using the KHH by the time he was against Raditz.

He had no room for improvement with it, he had vastly improved the amp from his first KHH to his current KHH and could use the highest possible amp w/ KHH.
Ok then. People like Vegeta and Piccolo keep on coming up with new, stronger techniques to use. Why would Goku be using a weak, Saiyan Saga level KHH at this point instead of coming up with something new? Why would Piccolo call it pathetic?
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