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did gohan turn ssj or ssj 2 to defeat broly?
Topic Started: Sep 15 2012, 05:56 PM (19,683 Views)
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wait Nimbus are you serious?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

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A) So many things wrong with this:

1. RSSj Broly > MSSj Goku.


2. FP PC's KHH > SSj2 Gohan.
MSSj Goku's KHH against Broly > FP PC
SSj2 Gohan's KHH used to deflect FP PC's KHH >>> FP PC
SSj2 Gohan's KHH against SPC >> SPC's KHH

This is how amplifiers work.


"Broly would easily be around the suppressed Perfect Cell to the full powered perfect cell through the feats we've seen. There's nothing we see Broly do that Cell couldn't have done his Full powered Perfect Form and even more so in his SPC form."

Really? Tell me how Cell can tank Goku's KHH when he got obliterated :)

B) It's easy. Use the same amp from the KHH Goku used on Cell, with the one he used on Broly.

C) Yes he is. At the least Movie 8 Broly > FP PC. At the least


LSSJ Broly movie 8 was at or near his full power because that's the way his ki works. It's on a constant increase until he needs to deplete it before it harms his body. Seriously, stop trying to comping the Kamehameha wave that Goku used against Broly with the one he used against Cell. When Goku struck Cell with it, not only did he spend a much larger time concentrating it and building it up, but he also used it only a supressed perfect cell.

Where do you even get that SSj2 Chibi Gohan's Kamehameha wave was>>SPC's. It's already outright stated that Gohan's lack of ki was due to lack of confidence he has, meaning that he was never at 50% anyways. It also means that depeding on what level he was currently at, it would mean he was at an even larger level when Cell shattered his arm. Regardless of what his level was at, SPC was utterly dominating Gohan during the entire fight, not breaking a single sweat, casually laughing while Gohan could barely stand up. When Gohan finally releaes his power, he does so on a distracted Cell who in the manga is barely given enough time to turn his head before he's blown off his feet, which only adds to the point of SPC>=SSj2 Gohan, and defintely SPC>>SSj2 Gohan Pre-rage burst.

Again, no evidence suggest movie 8 Broly is above Full Powered Perfect Cell though I would put him near or at the same area as FP Perfect Cell.
Edited by EMIYA, Sep 16 2012, 10:45 PM.
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Sircum
Sep 16 2012, 10:43 PM
wait Nimbus are you serious?
LOL, he's trolling the **** out of you.

nimbus, stahp.
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You can't go inside a thread and say "hur durr your wrong try again haha"


Get this through your head, dude.

RSSJ Broly > MSSj Goku

MSSJ Goku = suppressed Perfect Cell

MSSJ Goku's KHH > FP PC

LSSj Broly >> MSSJ Goku's KHH

LSSj Broly >> FP PC

God (@brofist)
Edited by Sircum, Sep 16 2012, 10:48 PM.
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LOL, I see the light and I'm suddenly a troll?

LSSJ Broly M10 is Full Power Cell tier, how the ***** is LSSJ Broly in Movie 8 FP-PC tier? No. MSSJ Goku beat LSSJ Broly with the power of some half-dead base Saiyans and one Super Namek.

MSSJ Goku < Cell (At Goku) < LSSJ Broly M8 << MSSJ Gohan << Dabra ~ LSSJ Broly M10 <~ Full Power Cell

Easy.
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Sep 16 2012, 10:44 PM
SPC>=SSj2 Gohan, and defintely SPC>>SSj2 Gohan Pre-rage burst.
How'd the topic get to this...?

I'm now weighing my options - leave or stay and laugh....

Brofist, remind me again which side you were on? The way your post was structured lost me a bit....
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Sep 16 2012, 10:48 PM
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Sep 16 2012, 10:44 PM
SPC>=SSj2 Gohan, and defintely SPC>>SSj2 Gohan Pre-rage burst.
How'd the topic get to this...?

I'm now weighing my options - leave or stay and laugh....

Brofist, remind me again which side you were on? The way your post was structured lost me a bit....
He said LSSj Broly = Suppressed PC or something like that.

Edited by Sircum, Sep 16 2012, 10:52 PM.
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Sep 16 2012, 10:46 PM
You can't go inside a thread and say "hur durr your wrong try again haha"


Get this through your head, dude.

RSSJ Broly > MSSj Goku

MSSJ Goku = suppressed Perfect Cell

MSSJ Goku's KHH > FP PC

LSSj Broly >> MSSJ Goku's KHH

LSSj Broly >> FP PC

God (@brofist)
...Ummm, I'm sorry, what? You seriously didn't just suggest that MSSJ Goku KHH was great than Full Powered Perfect Cell. That was a mistake right, clearly you had meant to switch the ">" around. That or I'm being successfully trolled right now.
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Sep 16 2012, 10:48 PM
LOL, I see the light and I'm suddenly a troll?

LSSJ Broly M10 is Full Power Cell tier, how the ***** is LSSJ Broly in Movie 8 FP-PC tier? No. MSSJ Goku beat LSSJ Broly with the power of some half-dead base Saiyans and one Super Namek.

MSSJ Goku < Cell (At Goku) < LSSJ Broly M8 << MSSJ Gohan << Dabra ~ LSSJ Broly M10 <~ Full Power Cell

Easy.
My bad nimbus....I didn't realize that you've had your moment of "enlightenment". Now, be a dear and try to enlighten me one more while I read the new posts on here. :)
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Sircum
Sep 16 2012, 10:46 PM
You can't go inside a thread and say "hur durr your wrong try again haha"


Get this through your head, dude.

RSSJ Broly > MSSj Goku

MSSJ Goku = suppressed Perfect Cell

MSSJ Goku's KHH > FP PC

LSSj Broly >> MSSJ Goku's KHH

LSSj Broly >> FP PC

God (@brofist)
...Ummm, I'm sorry, what? You seriously didn't just suggest that MSSJ Goku KHH was great than Full Powered Perfect Cell. That was a mistake right, clearly you had meant to switch the ">" around. That or I'm being successfully trolled right now.
No.

Perfect Cell got obliterated, easy, who's to say FP PC won't get the same fate?
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LSSJ Broly's tank against Goku's KHH doesn't mean *****.

What suggests that the KHH multiplier ever rose above 2x? Beginner's KHH are weaker, simple. The KHH multiplier against Raditz was probably the peak multiplier, nothing to contradict it.

Not only this, but Goku's KHH against Raditz and Goku's KHH against Cell were probably charged up longer than Goku's KHH against Broly. Meaning a smaller amplification. 1.5x at best.
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While FP PC probably wouldn't have been obliterated by Goku's KHH in the same way, you really can't deny that it wouldn't have f***ed him up. KHH is amp is 4-5x at this point, IMO, which is enough to do heavy-duty damage to FP PC. If you want to take it a step further, SPC had to brace himself for SSJ Vegeta's attack.
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Where do you even get that SSj2 Chibi Gohan's Kamehameha wave was>>SPC's. It's already outright stated that Gohan's lack of ki was due to lack of confidence he has, meaning that he was never at 50% anyways.

Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5
Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha
Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!”
Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…”
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Goku: “That’s alright, you can win! Believe in your own power! Show me one last time…The power we created together!”

Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P10.2
Context: after Gohan fires his Kamehameha
Piccolo: “It no use…! Gohan’s ki is weaker after all…”

I think Gohan really was at 50% or less. :x
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Honestly, Cell shouldn't be 5x than his suppressed self when he's FP.

That's just *****ing pushing it.
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Uh, nope.

Read original DB, and see Kuririn's first KHH, for instance. That's like, no amp.

Then Goku's KHH at Raditz, which he charges up longer than the one he did against Broly, is 2.2x. Peak KHH multiplier right there, maybe Goku's Instant KHH is 2.5x, but why change it.

And Imperfect Cell's KHH was a BEGINNER KHH, the first one he did, hence the small amp.

Which is why Goku's KHH at Broly was maybe 1.5x at best, maybe changing Broly further above Cell at Goku.
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Sep 16 2012, 10:57 PM.
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