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did gohan turn ssj or ssj 2 to defeat broly?
Topic Started: Sep 15 2012, 05:56 PM (19,674 Views)
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Sep 16 2012, 07:39 PM
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Sep 16 2012, 07:26 PM
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You're still not doing anything to provide a logical point to your argument. The hair style can easily be done by the point of how the animation studio does things. The same thing how despite the fact that SSj2 is consistently shown to have lightning in the manga, is often neglected in the anime. Not only do I have the point of wind and animation on my side as a factor of the hair styles. But I also have the canonical factor that movie 10 took place before Goku's fight with Yakon and (and there we don't even see see the specific hair style that SSj2 Goku is supposed to have, as all of his strands are sticking up straight) <br /><br />It's only during his fight with Buu that we see the hairstyle at the time in the manga, one that was months after the release of the volume of Goku's fight against Yakon and thus months, almost year in fact after movie 10.<br /><br />If you can provide me evidence in which Toriyama stated Goku was an SSj2 in the movie (Which would only lead to contradiction because if Toriyama claimed he was an SSj2, he should've made the point in saying that Gohan was weaker than before) Or perhaps give me specific evidence of drawings Toriyama might have done in regards to Goku during or before movie 10's release or production such as those we have Gohan and we see the specific differences in him between SSj and SSj2, I might be more willing to believe you.
The concept shows Goku with one bang, so does the animation. Even if they don't know how SSj2 Goku looks like (unlikely) they wanted to make a statement. They took Goku's design off SSj2 Gohan's then. Why in the *****ing hell would Goten still have MSSj hair if Goku and Gohan's hair was affected by wind, and they didn't transform?<br /><br />Obviously, Toei wanted them both to be SSj2. <br /><br />SSj2 Goku is proven, and SSj2 Gohan is proven. You have yet to answer those questions above.
There's no evidence at all in saying that the hair stood up before the wind. I can easily claim that the wind, animation style, etc, kicked up before the hair grew up. <br /><br />Secondly, you're saying that Toei, who has no idea what SSj2 Goku looks like and frankly, wouldn't have known until nearly a year afterwards, decided to randomly make Goku an SSj2 even though he was never stated to have one before? Unless Toriyama spoke to them about this or gave them specific drawings of the styles he expected that Goku should have, it is senseless to think Goku was an SSj2.<br /><br />We don't eve know how much of an influence Toriyama has on the movies in fact, only that he provides at least a little details with things like character designs. As far as we know, Toriayama is left completely out of the picture in regards to the movie.<br /><br />Which in point I'll lead to my next statement, what the hell are you talking about? Are you seriously going to say that Toei just decided, on their own to make Goku an SSj2, despite as I mentioned above the fact that SSj2 Goku didn't even appear until a month afterwards and his hair style alone didn't appear until nearly a year afterwards? Are you seriously saying that Toei and their movies have more claim than Toriyama's own manga?<br /><br />Seriously, you'd best start providing some artwork Toriayama did of Goku as an Ssj2 during or before movie 10, or some sort of statement by Toriyama stating something of the hand that Goku being an SSj2 during the movie. Otherwise, bullcrap, I'm sure as hell not going to take the world of whatever Toei said when it comes in regards to the canonical character.
Toei never knew how SSj2 Goku looked like? <br /><br />http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8378630/1/<br /><br />We debunked Ninjajp247 already.<br /><br />We don't need to waste our time with you anymore, or Ninja for that matter.<br /><br />But i'm still here, I will momentarily keep in watch.<br /><br />In the meantime, debunk this please. <br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />There was a distinct differentiation between MSSJ Gohan and SSJ2 Gohan in hairstyle, demeanor, and if you look close enough, the eyes.<br /><br />And why would Gohan neglect to use the strongest form he had when he was getting killed by Broly?<br /><br />Look at Gohan M10, and look at MSSJ Gohan in the bottom right corner. Do they really look the same?<br /><br />As for a hypothetical SSJ2 Goku, this has been shown many times before; do note that when M10 came out, burst SSJ2 Goku against Yakon and the statement he ascended beyond SSJ already came out:<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />And the really funny part is how in this case, the biothunder was anime embellishment. Now, compare these pics to SSJ Goku:<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Not only a clear picture of SSJ Goku around the time in the series where Broly would fit in, but also two good pictures of his hair affected by wind. Now for the Kamehameha/wind theory for his hair:<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br /><br /><br />There is no evidence that he wasn't though....Why would Toei suddenly decide to change his hair from this:<br />Posted Image<br /><br />to this:<br />Posted Image<br />Posted Image<br />while this was in the concepts?:<br />Posted Image<br /><br />you literally have 0% evidence to prove otherwise.<br /><br />And they did this flashback scene in movie 11, and here's a screenshot:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBp2MnrDT2o<br />^ at 20:42<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br />and here is SSJ2 Goku:<br />Posted Image<br /><br /><br />Here is SSJ2 Kid Gohan during his KHH wave:<br />Posted Image<br />Posted Image<br /><br />His hair was already being blown and his final push didn't pull it much further. <br /><br />Toei made a statement on Goku's hair, here is his against Pikkon not even blown by wind<br />Posted Image<br /><br />Goku's IT KHH on Cell, look at his hair<br />Posted Image<br /><br />Pre-Launch:<br />Posted Image<br /><br />First Launch on Broly, Pre-Push (ignore the fact that it's flipped)<br />Posted Image<br /><br />Look at his MSSJ hair being blown back<br /><br />Gohan's On Cell, Around the Final Push, pay attention to Goku and Gohan's hair:<br />Posted Image<br /><br />In his push:<br />Posted Image<br /><br />Before his push:<br />Posted Image<br />Posted Image<br /><br />Goku's MSSJ hair is noticeable here:<br />Posted Image<br /><br />Gohan realizes Goku's "NOW!" and this is pre-push again<br />Posted Image<br /><br />Gohan's hairstyle is different than the previous one when he starts the KHH; this points to Gohan using 2 different SSJ forms in M10. <br /><br />Holy *****, important note:<br /><br />Son Gohan: Our power is not enough! We need more power! Shen Long, please, help!<br />Son Goten: Shen Long brought dad here!<br /><br />The Dragonballs glow after this and Goku appears.<br /><br />Goku contributed extra power to the KHH struggle; case *****ing closed.<br /><br /><br />It zooms out to this very quickly:<br /><br />Posted Image<br /><br /><br />With my uber-duber pausing skills, I managed to pause it even more quickly at the very closest it zooms on for about half a second, lol.<br /><br />
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MSSj Goku's KHH > FP PC.

Fact.
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Sep 17 2012, 12:29 AM
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Gave up, you haven't provided one damn good argument saying Movie 8 Broly>>Full powered perfect Cell. I'm waiting for that.

Dude. ***** that *****. I proved enough.

You think amplifiers don't mean *****, you think FP PC is 5x MSSj Goku?



Suppressed Perfect Cell...nuff said.

In fact...heavily Suppressed Perfect Cell due to the fact that he was already kicking around Gohan who was stated to be stronger than MSSj Goku...nuff said.

And stop using 5x when nothing is ever stated as such. The most we ever get from the multiplier for the KHH is about 2.3x against Raditz. That's the only time we're given the difference between two distinctive power levels and thus we can make a claim based on it.

The moderator seems to be getting irked so I don't want to get in trouble so, I'm still going to disagree but encase I've done anything to insult you, I apologize.
Perfect Cell had to increase his speed to full to catch Gohan, and even then, he accomplished nothing but a superficial head wound. Gohan was clearly the superior in that scuffle IMO, power-wise.

MSSjin Gohan > Perfect Cell (full speed, "1 or 2 steps ahead") >> MSSjin Goku
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LSSJ Broly M8 > SPC > Goku's KHH > FP PC > MSSj Goku
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Holy crap, can we put those long posts in spoilers from now on, please? They stretch the page and make scrolling tedious. >_>
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Sep 17 2012, 12:34 AM
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Gave up, you haven't provided one damn good argument saying Movie 8 Broly>>Full powered perfect Cell. I'm waiting for that.

Dude. ***** that *****. I proved enough.

You think amplifiers don't mean *****, you think FP PC is 5x MSSj Goku?



Suppressed Perfect Cell...nuff said.

In fact...heavily Suppressed Perfect Cell due to the fact that he was already kicking around Gohan who was stated to be stronger than MSSj Goku...nuff said.

And stop using 5x when nothing is ever stated as such. The most we ever get from the multiplier for the KHH is about 2.3x against Raditz. That's the only time we're given the difference between two distinctive power levels and thus we can make a claim based on it.

The moderator seems to be getting irked so I don't want to get in trouble so, I'm still going to disagree but encase I've done anything to insult you, I apologize.
Perfect Cell had to increase his speed to full to catch Gohan, and even then, he accomplished nothing but a superficial head wound. Gohan was clearly the superior in that scuffle IMO, power-wise.

MSSjin Gohan > Perfect Cell (full speed, "1 or 2 steps ahead") >> MSSjin Goku
What? the only thing we knew was that MSSj Gohan was stronger than MSSJ Goku, more or less why Cell needed to use his full speed to get to him. Once he did, he kicked the living snot out of him. Gohan was shocked when he learned that Goku was actually fighting at full power because he assumed that because his ki was stronger, his father must have been holding back.

When he powers up, everyone is shocked and Cell is initially quite surprised by Gohan's sudden power up. He quickly gets over that though. Including using his full speed against Gohan to beat him senseless, Gohan couldn't even break out of his bear hold. There's no way that MSSJ Gohan>Full Speed Cell. All evidence directly points to Cell being stronger even in regards to Gohan being unwilling to fight.
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