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"Daizenshuu is fake"
Topic Started: Sep 15 2012, 12:46 PM (7,997 Views)
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Sep 17 2012, 11:08 PM
Broly is >>> any SSJ2.

You could place him smack-dab in-between SSJ2 and SSJ3 Goku. Using 10x:

SSJ2 Goku - 1
Broly - 5.5
SSJ3 Goku - 10

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even if you take the daizenshuu statements seriously, broly is at max at good buu's level.

post Z sword training ssj2 gohan is near fat buu, and surely stronger than good buu.

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M10 LSSJ Broly ~ Good Buu at best. Putting him higher is overrating him.
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Sep 18 2012, 05:08 PM
M10 LSSJ Broly ~ Good Buu at best. Putting him higher is overrating him.
thats exactly what i said.....why do people take him as high as ssj3 goku?
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Sep 18 2012, 05:08 PM
M10 LSSJ Broly ~ Good Buu at best. Putting him higher is overrating him.
thats exactly what i said.....why do people take him as high as ssj3 goku?
I think it's because of the extreme case of Gohan hax in the movie.

Base Gohan was shown to be stronger than SSj kids in his fight agaisnt Broly. While some people think this is just regular base hax that is shown in many movies, others believe that it's a huge boost for Gohan himself.

So if you were to believe it was all Gohan hax then you'd basically get Gohan being over 10x (or 50x depending on your ssj multiplier) stronger than he is in canon. That could easily lead to Broly being stronger than canon SSj3 Goku.

It also depends on how strong you have canon kids I guess.
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Sep 18 2012, 05:20 PM
Because they are idiots just like the ***** who made this thread. Majin Vegeta beat him so hard on the other forum so he got mad, started crying so the other ***** had to ban him because he owned them so badly. The idiots think Movies can be relate to the Manga.
majin vegeta??

and which other forum are you talking about??

you know, he started this thread bcoz i kicked his ***** on youtube....he got scared of pakl123456 and ran away from there and started trolling here
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M10 LSSJ Broly ~ Good Buu at best. Putting him higher is overrating him.
thats exactly what i said.....why do people take him as high as ssj3 goku?
I think it's because of the extreme case of Gohan hax in the movie.

Base Gohan was shown to be stronger than SSj kids in his fight agaisnt Broly. While some people think this is just regular base hax that is shown in many movies, others believe that it's a huge boost for Gohan himself.

So if you were to believe it was all Gohan hax then you'd basically get Gohan being over 10x (or 50x depending on your ssj multiplier) stronger than he is in canon. That could easily lead to Broly being stronger than canon SSj3 Goku.

It also depends on how strong you have canon kids I guess.
And you forget to mention that Gohan being haxed was already DEBUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Base Gohan vs Dabura who is Perfect Cell's level, Base Goku vs Android 13, Base Goku vs Meta Cooler, Base Goku vs Cooler, Base Vegeta vs Android 15, Base Vegeta vs Android 14, Base Vegito vs Buuhan and later SSJ Vegito can be hit by Buuhan while in the Manga Buuhan never even touched him.

What canon? Anime is not canon and Gohan is described as weaker and since we know Movies and Anime have the same logic so Gohan was weaker in M10 as Toei showed everyone was half dead like in the tourment because M10 Gohan=Gohan from the Tourment. SSJ Goten was also above Base Gohan in the beam struggle so Base Gohan vs Broly was to build up drama.
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Yup. Guys, didn't you know?

Base Gohan : 100
SSJ Goten / SSJ Trunks : 60
SSJ Gohan : 110
SSJ2 Gohan : 220

LSSJ Broly : 300

Good Boo : 300

SSJ Multiplier : 1.1x
SSJ2 Multiplier : 2x
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Sep 18 2012, 05:34 PM
Yup. Guys, didn't you know?

Base Gohan : 100
SSJ Goten / SSJ Trunks : 60
SSJ Gohan : 110
SSJ2 Gohan : 220

LSSJ Broly : 300

Good Boo : 300

SSJ Multiplier : 1.1x
SSJ2 Multiplier : 2x
The beam struggle shows SSJ Goten > Base Gohan so Base Gohan vs Broly was just to build up drama like SSJ2 Goku vs Kid Buu or Base Gohan vs Dabura.

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M10 LSSJ Broly ~ Good Buu at best. Putting him higher is overrating him.
thats exactly what i said.....why do people take him as high as ssj3 goku?
I think it's because of the extreme case of Gohan hax in the movie.

Base Gohan was shown to be stronger than SSj kids in his fight agaisnt Broly. While some people think this is just regular base hax that is shown in many movies, others believe that it's a huge boost for Gohan himself.

So if you were to believe it was all Gohan hax then you'd basically get Gohan being over 10x (or 50x depending on your ssj multiplier) stronger than he is in canon. That could easily lead to Broly being stronger than canon SSj3 Goku.

It also depends on how strong you have canon kids I guess.
manga wise, I have kids a little below semi perfect cell....i feel they are between 16 and semi perfect cell.
and i dont believe in multipliers either.....for goku in the buu saga, the ssj multiplier was only 3-4x
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Sep 18 2012, 05:08 PM
M10 LSSJ Broly ~ Good Buu at best. Putting him higher is overrating him.
thats exactly what i said.....why do people take him as high as ssj3 goku?
I think it's because of the extreme case of Gohan hax in the movie.

Base Gohan was shown to be stronger than SSj kids in his fight agaisnt Broly. While some people think this is just regular base hax that is shown in many movies, others believe that it's a huge boost for Gohan himself.

So if you were to believe it was all Gohan hax then you'd basically get Gohan being over 10x (or 50x depending on your ssj multiplier) stronger than he is in canon. That could easily lead to Broly being stronger than canon SSj3 Goku.

It also depends on how strong you have canon kids I guess.
And you forget to mention that Gohan being haxed was already DEBUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Base Gohan vs Dabura who is Perfect Cell's level, Base Goku vs Android 13, Base Goku vs Meta Cooler, Base Goku vs Cooler, Base Vegeta vs Android 15, Base Vegeta vs Android 14, Base Vegito vs Buuhan and later SSJ Vegito can be hit by Buuhan while in the Manga Buuhan never even touched him.

What canon? Anime is not canon and Gohan is described as weaker and since we know Movies and Anime have the same logic so Gohan was weaker in M10 as Toei showed everyone was half dead like in the tourment because M10 Gohan=Gohan from the Tourment.
You know that's exactly why I said " While some people think this is just regular base hax that is shown in many movies". I'm well aware that base forms are overpowered in many instances in both movies and filler.

But whether or not people want to believe this is another case of that, or if they just think Gohan was buffed then that's their choice.

I wasn't speaking for myself anyway, I don't care about Broly anymore. Broly debates have become so popular all of a sudden and people get so worked up over them that I just don't care. I don't have the time or patience to read through every page of every Broly thread (pretty much all of which go over 10 pages somehow) just to watch a bunch of guys act like this animated movie made for children in Japan is some kind of huge issue. I have no idea why people treat it so seriously, more so than anything else DBZ related.

As for Gohan being equal to his canon self in movie 10, the quote where Gohan says that he's supposed to have powered up considerably makes some people assume that Gohan is stronger than he is in the series which helps fuel their "Gohan hax" theories.
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my gohan hax theory has alot to do with the fact that gohans dream was to be as strong as his dad.

gohans base hax vs the kids means nothing to me. I have them in between 18 and imperfect cell.

and equal to MSSj goku post rosat.

leaving it as some kind of mystery that gohan is super stronger than the kids in base is weak.

his ssj and ssj2 multipliers were cut in half. No need to hax gohan who is supposed to be pre budokai gohan, thats a BIG problem for a gohan already left behind in the previous movie and for no reason.

You cant just apply main timeline hax to gohan and assume that LSSj broly just super eats goku when the daiz itself isnt even specific on how much stronger broly is than goku, and why that matters.

So to assume that LSSj broly eats SSJ2 canon goku is wishful thinking imho.

Even if gohan did do all of that, he wouldnt be any stronger than goku, and thats GIVING him hax.

Nah, for broly to be stronger than goku in ssj means nothing if gohan is supposed to be also, not to mention that broly is stronger than movie goku, who is not manga goku but anime goku.

anime goku isnt stronger than manga goku. and broly cant be compared when the truth is that gohan very likley never got past super saiyan without gokus training. for whatever reason unstated, goku STILL died, but he is supposed to die.

in all timelines he dies. Period. it doesnt have to be cell, who himself is FROM an alternate timeline as it is.

since trunks killed cell before he could come back? the fact they even remember cell in the main timeline is a plothole to begin with. Gohan is weaker than vegeta in movie 8, and finding ssj2 would be an issue without the same circumstance that created it. The drawings in movie 10 dont trump the fact the are stolen for relatable and continuity issues within the series and in the movies who after movie 7 became certified what if based off the tv show.

for me its not that serious, but giving gohan such a cold hax isnt that big a deal or needed.

There isnt an SSj3 alive that couldnt take out 100 ssj2's and thats STATED.

statements<<<<<beliefs. so for broly to be killed by goku at ssj2 (even burst ssj2) or gohan and gotens ssj together?

whether you want to believe goku helped or not, it doesnt mean the 3 of them can otherwise cover the power of 100 majin vegetas and full power ssj2 gokus. period.

Broly is not ssj3 tier and couldnt be with a 10 foot pole.

so having him eating goku when he should be matching goku in gokus ssj2 form makes no sense to me.

The LSSJ form is a ki weighted form and is NOT the next level of power. He is still just a super saiyan despite the power scaling.

Him being stronger in ssj for movie 10 doesnt mean his LSSj automatically covers gokus ssj2 form and into ssj3.

the gap between those two forms alone is EARTH shatteringly gigantic. No getting around it.

having numbers that reflect how you feel about it doesnt mean anything either, still just opinion.

and in my honest opinion? gohan didnt do all that bad against broly, and of goku transforming matters so much instead of the producer deciding to do the pass the torch theme? goku should have fought broly again, and won, proving it doesnt matter how much you hate or believe? you cant change what happened.

goku didnt need gohan or gotens help to finish broly, they needed HIS!! no question. he was a ghost, the dragonballs didnt fix that, it should be a plot hole for broly to even see goku. That made no sense either. Its all for drama. ooooo brolys back.

Teen gohan couldnt fight broly, and putting broly where either goku or kid gohan is against teen gohan would break him into pieces also.

the same with my SSj theory also, 3 ssj's against an opponent stronger than SPC? same thing all day long.
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Sep 15 2012, 03:53 PM
Someone ban this fool already.
Looking through the first page I saw a lot of ugly things by different myers. I'm posting this for future reference, stay civilized and avoid posts like the one I quoted as well, have issues use the report button please. OtherwisevI will issue actual warns


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So...what's the decision here? Is the guidebook(s) fake?
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Sep 21 2012, 12:40 AM
So...what's the decision here? Is the guidebook(s) fake?
The decision is that you will be ignored for two days.

Guidebooks =/= fake; however, guidebooks =/= 100% reliable. "Use them wisely".
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