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"Daizenshuu is fake"
Topic Started: Sep 15 2012, 12:46 PM (7,999 Views)
Paikuan extreme
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this is not an interesting conversation, however, since it can be debated why people think it is ssj os ssj2 gohan can only be taken into account by the people that made this movie.

Personally i think gohan is still an MSSj, but people compare him to main gohan and try to fit how movie 10 gohan fits in the timeline. He doesnt.

But in the end it doesnt matter, ssj or ssj2, broly kicked his butt. LOL.

Gohans dream of getting as strong as his dad was a failure. He didnt do it.

So whether that means he is strong in ssj or found ssj2 for some weird reason, he still lost.

Only a movie with ssj2 goku and broly would prove this. Matter of fact, we should demand the movie they should have made for movie 11. Showing us how goku defeated broly in hell along with pikkon.

which in retrospect should have been easy. Pikkon is pretty strong.
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Paikuan extreme
Sep 15 2012, 04:53 PM
this is not an interesting conversation, however, since it can be debated why people think it is ssj os ssj2 gohan can only be taken into account by the people that made this movie.

Personally i think gohan is still an MSSj, but people compare him to main gohan and try to fit how movie 10 gohan fits in the timeline. He doesnt.

But in the end it doesnt matter, ssj or ssj2, broly kicked his butt. LOL.

Gohans dream of getting as strong as his dad was a failure. He didnt do it.

So whether that means he is strong in ssj or found ssj2 for some weird reason, he still lost.

Only a movie with ssj2 goku and broly would prove this. Matter of fact, we should demand the movie they should have made for movie 11. Showing us how goku defeated broly in hell along with pikkon.

which in retrospect should have been easy. Pikkon is pretty strong.
I can't address you seriously. We already debunked you so much it's not even funny.

LSSj Broly would have easily demolished Pikkon as fodder, and Goku would need to pushed to SSj3 to face Broly, but since we can consider Broly getting a zenkai before he hits the sun, he could go on on one in M11.

But in all seriousness, Gohan was SSj2 in M10, Ninja.
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yo ustill cant prove it, in all reality? i can think what i want, and you cant debunk my opinion, or whatever it is ur trying to say.

In the meantime, ive proven toei doesnt care about auras OR lightning, or the fact that they werent specific about why broly was stronger in movie 10, nor said by how much, telling me that he is stronger than (movie)goku in MSSj for movie 10 instead of gohan makes no sense, it also doesnt help your belief to insert this gohan with main gohan when the producer himself said that broly was setup to be the strongest SUPER SAIYAN. You cant deny it no matter how much you want. It's a belief that has taken hold yet cant be proven,based on fitting it in the timeline. Sorry sircum. You cant debunk something you cant unprove.

In the meantime, get some real evidence gohan was ssj2 or just leave it alone, ive seen enough to be convinced otherwise. Movie 11 being in my corner for what actually happened.

not to mention the wishful thinking of some of you that think it MATTERS that Ssj3 goku was released in the mnaga before the release of this movie x D good luck with that.

Gohans dream to be as strong as his dad was a failure, and you have no reason to believe this gohan is connected to movie gohan so much, when even toriyama made a HUGE difference between the TWO gohans he actually created.

let me guess, according to your logic, futures past gohan was an SSj2 against the cyborgs. why not? he had the same spiky aura everyone else in the movies do.
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@Freeze: You clearly didn't take the time to read my post fully and understand it, despite the fact that it's one of the shortest, simplest ones here.

The Daiz has its faults. These shouldn't be taken seriously if the manga contradicts it, because Manga > Daiz. But if the manga doesn't contradict it, then it's good, because Daiz > You and Me. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

^ Did you process all that, or need I repeat myself again?
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Sep 15 2012, 03:45 PM
stop worrying about stupid power levels...who cares just watch the fight and enjoy the show..power levels suck
You guy's really need to take was ESPO said into consideration.

The show was made for enjoyment, for it's plot, the sagas and the characters. The action at best.

But you guys ruin it when you go into Power Level detail. Tori boy didn't write the show based on math numbers and stats of the characters.

He built it so people would enjoy the show.

So stop being little hissy fitters and enjoy Dragonball z for what it is.

It's not a damn mathlete competition ffs.
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Paikuan extreme
Sep 15 2012, 05:01 PM
yo ustill cant prove it, in all reality? i can think what i want, and you cant debunk my opinion, or whatever it is ur trying to say.

In the meantime, ive proven toei doesnt care about auras OR lightning, or the fact that they werent specific about why broly was stronger in movie 10, nor said by how much, telling me that he is stronger than (movie)goku in MSSj for movie 10 instead of gohan makes no sense, it also doesnt help your belief to insert this gohan with main gohan when the producer himself said that broly was setup to be the strongest SUPER SAIYAN. You cant deny it no matter how much you want. It's a belief that has taken hold yet cant be proven,based on fitting it in the timeline. Sorry sircum. You cant debunk something you cant unprove.

In the meantime, get some real evidence gohan was ssj2 or just leave it alone, ive seen enough to be convinced otherwise. Movie 11 being in my corner for what actually happened.

not to mention the wishful thinking of some of you that think it MATTERS that Ssj3 goku was released in the mnaga before the release of this movie x D good luck with that.

Gohans dream to be as strong as his dad was a failure, and you have no reason to believe this gohan is connected to movie gohan so much, when even toriyama made a HUGE difference between the TWO gohans he actually created.

let me guess, according to your logic, futures past gohan was an SSj2 against the cyborgs. why not? he had the same spiky aura everyone else in the movies do.
Nothing had lightning except SSj3 after Movie 9.

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nimbus
Sep 15 2012, 02:47 PM
Daizenshuu is more valid than one fan's opinion and can be used in conjunction with movie logic, especially because the Daizenshuu was created by Bird Studioes, which was the company that animated/produced the DBZ movies.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=2299

Dig a little deeper and you'll find that Toriyama's studio is Bird Studio, and that Daizenshuu was published by Shueisha, the publisher that published Toriyama's work.

Now don't troll.
Allow me to repeat myself.

Daizenshuu's opinion = Producers of DBZ Movies' opinion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fan's opinion on movie.
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Sircum
Sep 15 2012, 05:30 PM
Paikuan extreme
Sep 15 2012, 05:01 PM
yo ustill cant prove it, in all reality? i can think what i want, and you cant debunk my opinion, or whatever it is ur trying to say.

In the meantime, ive proven toei doesnt care about auras OR lightning, or the fact that they werent specific about why broly was stronger in movie 10, nor said by how much, telling me that he is stronger than (movie)goku in MSSj for movie 10 instead of gohan makes no sense, it also doesnt help your belief to insert this gohan with main gohan when the producer himself said that broly was setup to be the strongest SUPER SAIYAN. You cant deny it no matter how much you want. It's a belief that has taken hold yet cant be proven,based on fitting it in the timeline. Sorry sircum. You cant debunk something you cant unprove.

In the meantime, get some real evidence gohan was ssj2 or just leave it alone, ive seen enough to be convinced otherwise. Movie 11 being in my corner for what actually happened.

not to mention the wishful thinking of some of you that think it MATTERS that Ssj3 goku was released in the mnaga before the release of this movie x D good luck with that.

Gohans dream to be as strong as his dad was a failure, and you have no reason to believe this gohan is connected to movie gohan so much, when even toriyama made a HUGE difference between the TWO gohans he actually created.

let me guess, according to your logic, futures past gohan was an SSj2 against the cyborgs. why not? he had the same spiky aura everyone else in the movies do.
Nothing had lightning except SSj3 after Movie 9.

Why argue anything and everything?

Is there a point?

Like I said before, the creator of Dragonball Z , made it for the soul purpose of its plot and entertainment. You guys spend hours breaking down power levels, strengths and attributes, but none of them, I MEAN NONE OF THEM are TRUE...
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None of them are true, of course, but that's the fun of it. I heard about this one writer (forget who) who wrote a book, right? And some English professer broke it down, made inferences, blah blah blah, and showed to the author. He asked the author, "Did you intend for this?" or something like that. The author said "no", but he also said that it works and that he'd agree with it.

Entertainment ~ Plot >>> PLs, like you said, but there's nothing wrong with talking about it and making inferences that work...
Edited by Kyouks, Sep 15 2012, 06:20 PM.
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Sep 15 2012, 06:11 PM
Sircum
Sep 15 2012, 05:30 PM
Paikuan extreme
Sep 15 2012, 05:01 PM
yo ustill cant prove it, in all reality? i can think what i want, and you cant debunk my opinion, or whatever it is ur trying to say.

In the meantime, ive proven toei doesnt care about auras OR lightning, or the fact that they werent specific about why broly was stronger in movie 10, nor said by how much, telling me that he is stronger than (movie)goku in MSSj for movie 10 instead of gohan makes no sense, it also doesnt help your belief to insert this gohan with main gohan when the producer himself said that broly was setup to be the strongest SUPER SAIYAN. You cant deny it no matter how much you want. It's a belief that has taken hold yet cant be proven,based on fitting it in the timeline. Sorry sircum. You cant debunk something you cant unprove.

In the meantime, get some real evidence gohan was ssj2 or just leave it alone, ive seen enough to be convinced otherwise. Movie 11 being in my corner for what actually happened.

not to mention the wishful thinking of some of you that think it MATTERS that Ssj3 goku was released in the mnaga before the release of this movie x D good luck with that.

Gohans dream to be as strong as his dad was a failure, and you have no reason to believe this gohan is connected to movie gohan so much, when even toriyama made a HUGE difference between the TWO gohans he actually created.

let me guess, according to your logic, futures past gohan was an SSj2 against the cyborgs. why not? he had the same spiky aura everyone else in the movies do.
Nothing had lightning except SSj3 after Movie 9.

Why argue anything and everything?

Is there a point?

Like I said before, the creator of Dragonball Z , made it for the soul purpose of its plot and entertainment. You guys spend hours breaking down power levels, strengths and attributes, but none of them, I MEAN NONE OF THEM are TRUE...
None of them are true?

Of course it ain't.

But what I concluded with many others is the closest thing to the truth that we found out, it is the most valid point we came up with, why are you trying to take away from us what makes the DBZ section alive in these forums? There is a flare that comes with people trying to find this out.
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Frankie
Sep 15 2012, 06:11 PM
Sircum
Sep 15 2012, 05:30 PM
Paikuan extreme
Sep 15 2012, 05:01 PM
yo ustill cant prove it, in all reality? i can think what i want, and you cant debunk my opinion, or whatever it is ur trying to say.

In the meantime, ive proven toei doesnt care about auras OR lightning, or the fact that they werent specific about why broly was stronger in movie 10, nor said by how much, telling me that he is stronger than (movie)goku in MSSj for movie 10 instead of gohan makes no sense, it also doesnt help your belief to insert this gohan with main gohan when the producer himself said that broly was setup to be the strongest SUPER SAIYAN. You cant deny it no matter how much you want. It's a belief that has taken hold yet cant be proven,based on fitting it in the timeline. Sorry sircum. You cant debunk something you cant unprove.

In the meantime, get some real evidence gohan was ssj2 or just leave it alone, ive seen enough to be convinced otherwise. Movie 11 being in my corner for what actually happened.

not to mention the wishful thinking of some of you that think it MATTERS that Ssj3 goku was released in the mnaga before the release of this movie x D good luck with that.

Gohans dream to be as strong as his dad was a failure, and you have no reason to believe this gohan is connected to movie gohan so much, when even toriyama made a HUGE difference between the TWO gohans he actually created.

let me guess, according to your logic, futures past gohan was an SSj2 against the cyborgs. why not? he had the same spiky aura everyone else in the movies do.
Nothing had lightning except SSj3 after Movie 9.

Why argue anything and everything?

Is there a point?

Like I said before, the creator of Dragonball Z , made it for the soul purpose of its plot and entertainment. You guys spend hours breaking down power levels, strengths and attributes, but none of them, I MEAN NONE OF THEM are TRUE...
...Are you coming in the DBZ section of a DBZ forum and telling us it's dumb to discuss the powers of DBZ when the plot of DBZ is about characters fighting each other and the winner depends on who has the higher power?
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You guys are missing the point.

For people who go so deep in power levels, you really are being small minded when i'm talking.

What i'm saying is, yes it's okay to discuss power levels, of course, this forum wouldn't be half as active if you couldn't.

But i'm saying ,respect each other, simple as that.

Secondly, the Daizenshuu is NOT TRUE or ACCURATE ... Sorry to burst your bubble, but if Toei didn't announce the stats, they arn't true.

None of you created the Anime. You can only do estimates and debate who's make more sense and not sense.

Don't cry because someone say's your wrong, you don't know if your wrong and their right.

Everyone is allowed to say what they think.
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Well then please, please tell me where we can go for information when the Daiz isn't true or accurate, and we should only watch for entertainment?
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Sircum
Sep 15 2012, 07:22 PM
Well then please, please tell me where we can go for information when the Daiz isn't true or accurate, and we should only watch for entertainment?
Sircum , you are turning everything around what I say.

Yes, you can detail power levels and stuff, but was the Daiz created by Toei , NO.

Therefore, it is FANMADE...Which it is! Meaning!!!! <== It is NOT ACCURATE.

Nothing is.

It is all opinion based.

DBZfanboy.
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The Daiz is true though. It went through Toriyama and was even published by his own studio.

That's as true as you can get.

Edit: My rule always is: If it's not contradicted by the manga, believe the Daiz.
Edited by GridZero, Sep 15 2012, 07:51 PM.
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