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"Daizenshuu is fake"
Topic Started: Sep 15 2012, 12:46 PM (7,996 Views)
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Yeah, alright.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEbJg7N4yQk&lc=IXkFxhqIPXuDHOwg6EgiTj4jdYHTNCwhXS2RbeSIvm4&feature=inbox


"ssj2 goku>mssj broly
daizenshuu is fake"
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MrFreeze7005

Come on out MrFreeze, tell me how the Daizenshuu is fake :)

Oh yeah, Freeze is a member here going by the name Freeze7005, he supports paki123456 logic. He probably is a dupe.
Edited by Sircum, Sep 15 2012, 12:59 PM.
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GridZero
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Anyone who says this is a troll and clearly in denial.
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Sircum
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I swear, we need to make a video to discredit paki and Vegito1089. etc.
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Kira L Yagami
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HAHAHA.....ROFLOLZZZ!!!
dude, youre so jobless
i typed mssj by mistake instead of lssj and you start creating threads on forums just because of one letter??
OH GOSH!!
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GridZero
Sep 15 2012, 01:47 PM
Anyone who says this is a troll and clearly in denial.
you believe broly>ssj2 goku??
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Kira L Yagami
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daizenshuu contradicts itself at so many places.....d2 says gohan was ssj1 against dabura, d7 says he was ssj2.....what bigger contradiction do you want??
DAIZ IS UNRELIABLE!!!!
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Freeze7005
Sep 15 2012, 02:27 PM
GridZero
Sep 15 2012, 01:47 PM
Anyone who says this is a troll and clearly in denial.
you believe broly>ssj2 goku??
We never said SSj Broly > SSj2 Goku.

SSj Broly > MSSj Goku (Buu Saga/M10), says the Daiz itself.

Hell, in M8 Goku said RSSJ, and yes RSSJ Broly > MSSj Goku (Cell Games/Movie 8).

Meaning LSSj Broly in both instances should surpass an SSj2 Goku in both instances (Movie 8 and 10, Cell Games and Buu Saga)
Edited by Sircum, Sep 15 2012, 02:44 PM.
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Daizenshuu is more valid than one fan's opinion and can be used in conjunction with movie logic, especially because the Daizenshuu was created by Bird Studioes, which was the company that animated/produced the DBZ movies.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=2299

Dig a little deeper and you'll find that Toriyama's studio is Bird Studio, and that Daizenshuu was published by Shueisha, the publisher that published Toriyama's work.

Now don't troll.
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Sep 15 2012, 02:58 PM.
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Freeze7005
Sep 15 2012, 02:29 PM
daizenshuu contradicts itself at so many places.....d2 says gohan was ssj1 against dabura, d7 says he was ssj2.....what bigger contradiction do you want??
DAIZ IS UNRELIABLE!!!!
Bringing up something else entirely eh?

Thing about out this way:

Before the Movie, Cell was stated to have an amazing Ki against Trunks and Vegeta, and MSSj Goku is far surpassed that Cell.

Goku than says RSSj Broly has incredible Ki several different instances, meaning RSSj Broly > MSSj Goku (Movie 8 and Cell Games).

Now we go to Movie 10, where the Daiz says "SSj Broly has power that surpass's even Goku's!".

What does that make LSSj Broly?

Exactly. LSSj Broly (M10) >> SSj2 Goku.

Or, hell. Let's bring up the Family Kamehameha argument:

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He's as bad a monster as ever!", Gohan stated as his quick fight with Broly ends with him turning SSJ2.

SSj Broly was stated to be stronger than MSSJ Goku (Buu Saga) in the Daizenshuu.

In Movie 8, LSSJ Broly was stated several times of having the most awesome and incredible Ki, even as an RSSJ he was stated to have it. (Refer to Movie 8 Weekend Research thread), Piccolo said LSSj Broly's Ki is like it's trembling awesomely, Goku stated that RSSJ Broly's Ki has incredible Ki. Keep in mind this Movie took place in the 10 day gap, says the Daiz, meaning RSSJ Broly has to surpass even suppressed Cell's power (the one against Vegeta). The fact that Goku was so shocked about RSSJ Broly's power leads me to believe RSSJ Broly is already ahead of MSSJ Goku, meaning RSSJ Broly in M8 should be around the Cell that fought Goku. Cell's Full Power is THAT above the one that fought Goku. We don't even know where Cell's Full Power is to being with, his Kamehameha used against Gohan should be around SSj2 Gohan because of the 5x amplifier.

Lets proceed to LSSj Broly in M8. Wherever you have LSSJ Broly's multiplier, it doesn't matter. He is on par with Full Power Perfect Cell, AT THE LEAST. Ignoring the tank of the Kamehameha is what people do, sure, then I will ignore Cell's Kamehameha against Gohan which lead Gohan to use his own to deflect it. See? I can play this game too.

MSSJ Goku: 25
MSSJ Goku's ITT Kamehameha: 125
MSSJ Goku's KHH against Broly: 100
Toei Punch: 250

Full Power Perfect Cell: 60-80
~Kamehameha: 300
Cell (against Goku): 25

MSSJ Gohan (Cell Games): 35
SSJ2 Gohan: 70
~Rage Boost: 140


Zenkai Cell: 120

I'm being way too generous to people on where I have Goku's KHH against Broly. It should be dead on with the one he used against Cell.

Movie 8:
RSSJ Broly: 40
LSSJ Broly: 125 ~ 150

MSSJ Gohan: 25, it still doesn't matter if he is his Cell Games self, he still wouldn't be the hero.

Now, Lets use Buu Saga Numbers here:

MSSJ Goku: 90
SSJ2 Goku: 180
SSJ3 Goku: 720

SSJ Vegeta: 75
SSJ2 Vegeta: 150
~Prince of Destruction: 180

MSSJ Gohan: 30
SSJ2 Gohan: 60
~Rage Boost: 120

Movie 10:

SSJ Broly: 125
LSSJ Broly: 390 (with the power shown)

Take the Zenkai given to Broly into account (AT's Zenkai to be exact)
SSJ Broly: 187.5
LSSJ Broly: 585

MSSJ Gohan: 35
~ Rage Boost induced SSJ2 Gohan: 140

MSSJ Goku: 90
SSJ2 Goku: 180

Honestly, I can continue further without calculating the Kamehameha amplifier in the end of Movie 10.

But what I can say, right now, is that it does take an SSJ2 to defeat SSJ Broly (M10) and LSSJ Broly (M8), and an SSJ3 to defeat LSSJ Broly (Movie 10).

Multipliers and Amps:
Toei Punch: 10x the original power of the user
Kamehameha: 5x
Rage Boost: varies.

RSSJ: 45x Base
SSJ: 50x base
SSJ2: 100x Base
LSSJ: 315x base (3.125x SSJ)
SSJ3: 400x base.

Zenkai: 1.5-2x

I really don't know, AT's Zenkai gave Broly an even bigger power-up than it intended.


Giving Cell a hax Zenkai, and thinking that they won't give Broly the same thing is pure non-sense.

And here's a list of amplified attacks in Toei Movies:
Against Super 13
Against Broly (the end)
Against Hirudegan (Dragon Fist)
Against Janemba (Gogeta's kicks should have one shot Janemba if he was THAT stronger)
Against Turles (Spirit Bomb)
Against Cooler and Meta-Cooler (Kaioken KHH)
Against Wheelo (Kaioken KHH)

I think I proved my point.

Amplified MSSj's Goku's KHH (M10) >/= SSj2 Goku (M10). The fact that Broly shrugged it off as nothing even when Gohan stands by his side (which this Gohan > his kid self) until the very end where Gohan and Goku go SSj2 and Broly survives the blast until he hits the sun, means Broly is amongst low SSj3 tier at the least, M10 proves this alongside the Daiz.

This is how amplified blasts work, and Broly tanked MSSJ Goku's Kamehameha like it's nothing in M8. See how this works?
Edited by Sircum, Sep 15 2012, 03:01 PM.
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stop worrying about stupid power levels...who cares just watch the fight and enjoy the show..power levels suck
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ssj2 goku>>lssj broly is a pure fact, stop being a brolytard.
daiz is always unreliable, it says gohan=goten, it says recooome killed gohan and so many ***** like that

bankai yamamoto>>>>lssj broly.
broly gets destroyed by the sun ;P
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Someone ban this fool already.
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Freeze7005
Sep 15 2012, 03:52 PM
ssj2 goku>>lssj broly is a pure fact, stop being a brolytard.
A pure fact supported by what exactly?
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come to youtube and debate me like a man!!
instead of just running away like a coward and trying to troll me here
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Youtube? Where paki lies? Nah, you guys have too much followers there.

Seems like you given up.
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