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No.17 and Cell; The awful truth!
Topic Started: Sep 10 2012, 01:38 AM (2,074 Views)
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The dragonballs do whatever is wished within its power, when wishing everyone killed by piccolo brought back it would include hachiban, who displayed a great amount of sentience. Unlike 19.
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no, 16 would not be alive. the wish to revive everyone killed by cell would not affect anything destroyed by cell. souls are independent of life. nothing ever states you have to be alive to have a soul, ever. that's an external (out of universe) assumption, that does not come from within the series at all. since #16 is not alive to begin with, he was not "killed" by cell, his body was destroyed. any wish to bring back those killed by cell would therefore exempt him, because the wrong word was used. if they had wished to bring back everything destroyed by cell, then yes, #16's body would be rebuilt, and his soul would return from the afterlife.

there is also no in universe link between the soul and ki. ki is a function of biology, not spirituality. if you have no biology, you have no ki. like i said, the only way #19 would have ki is if otherworld treats all bodies the same, so spiritual machines would have actual ki equal to the amount of ki analogue their physical counterparts had. or, it may simply be a plot hole that #19 had ki. but #19 having a soul is definitely not a plot hole, because their is no in universe contradiction (damn, i get tired of saying that).
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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u get tired of saying it, but why would there be an in universe contradiction? that part of your argument is made from pure speculation. claiming robots have souls is based on an assumption. Especially one based on semantics. None of that stuff would even be thought of. destroyed robots dont have souls.

If anything 19 was there because 20 was there. A villain duo. Its a plot hole for a robot to be in hell.

How u r explaining it makes sense to you, but it cant possibly ring true. having a soul is a prejudice created by humans, in many mythologies only humans even have souls.

so for the talking animals in this world and all the aliens, means that life has evolved somehow in a different fashion.

didnt see it affect any robots in the series. hachiban was brought back by a wish, doesnt mean he has a soul.

17 and 18 were cyborgs, and so was 20. Hachiban, ju roku, and ju nana were all automatons. Machines built for a certain purpose, and every explainable reason for them "acting" sentient was chopped up to broken logic circuits and faulty programming. reasons that if IIRC were the reasons they were to be destroyed or deactivated. ALL of them.

Just because a machine walks and talks doesnt make it sentient in my book. Not even data could pull it off without his emotion chip.

It cant get any plainer, in Db/Z robots that acted like they were human were mistakes. 19 wasnt a mistake. according to gero he was perfect. All i got.

But its good enough for me.

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