Comparing powers levels between Z and GT is useless

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Comparing powers levels between Z and GT is useless
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90sDBZ	Sep 6 2012, 08:23 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,356 Group: Member Member #7,850 Joined: June 27, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragonball	People often use characters from Z to gauge power in GT. This is completely fruitless due to GT's total lack of logic and consistancy. I honestly think that Toei just makes someone strong or weak at a given time for convenience sake and throws logic aside. I mean people would have it that base goku is stronger than super vegito. So why is he so damn slow? I mean way back on namek he moves so fast that nobody can see his movement. Yet in GT against Nova Shenron we see him sprinting through a building like any normal kid. And there's also that stupid scene where he questions his ability to get through a slow moving fan. And how goku freaks out about omega destroying a city while nappa did the same thing ages ago. The truth is power levels and placement mean virtually nothing in GT. In mean goku killing super 17 in base after failing to do so in ss4? Seriously wtf. And goku, trunks and pan killing rildo with everyone in base after goku failed to kill him in ss1. GT is full of stuff like this. Goku ss3 getting effortlessly owned by baby vegeta but then putting up a good fight against Super Baby 2. GT logic = Baby Vegeta>Super Baby 2>majuub>uub>ss3 goku>ss1 goku>super 17(before absorbing energy)>majuub In GT I honestly believe that anyone can kill anyone regardless of power as long as they have a move that looks kinda flashy like dragon fist for example. Goku ranges from being much stronger than he was in Z at times to weaker and slower than he was in DB at other times.
	"The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!"


~~Frankie~~	Sep 6 2012, 08:27 PM Post #2
Posts: 573 Group: GTFO Member #593 Joined: August 8, 2005	I see it like this, GT has no set power levels. It's all imaginary.



Kblo247	Sep 6 2012, 08:57 PM Post #3
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Saiyans get stronger after every battle - the motto



+ Kyouks	Sep 6 2012, 10:15 PM Post #4
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	You're basically right, GT has no set powers. Everyone gets stronger (or weaker) however they need to. Pan's been portrayed as stronger than Buuhan yet in the same ballpark as Videl, if I recall. The "Saiyans get stronger after every battle" is taken way too seriously and we end up with crap like SSJ Goku (At this time) > Base Goku (At this time) > SSJ Goku (That time) > Base Goku (That time) > SSJ Goku (Some other time) ....... Nothing wrong with the "Saiyans get stronger" thing, but again, it's taken way too literally in GT. So, GT just does whatever it wants to.



Kblo247	Sep 6 2012, 10:29 PM Post #5
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Well let me put it like this - Trunks believes he and Goten are close pl wise and assumes Pan is weak Goku needs SSJ to fight Ledgic and then even though he is stronger, needs ssj again to fight Muchy. Then the sigmas complie data of Trunks and Goku in ssj, their attacks, their fighting, and their max powers and are all stated to be stronger than the expected growth rate solo. Pan deep fries one and none of them can compute her power at all and she has a Gohan at Cell like attitude and says she never had any reason to show Gill her true power by tapping into her emotions while still being in control like Kid Gihan at Cell. Then we see Baby say SSJ Goten is weak as he doesn't train or do anything when the others are off in space and Gohan, Vegeta stay ready to protect earth along with Piccolo and Uub. Trunks had already admitted Pan was superior to himself and Goten, and then we see why when Baby infects Goten with his strength added to his own and he can't even scratch Pan, just piss her off even wi her defenses down. Then we see Gohan is stronger than Pan and suppressed Base Goku as he knocks them back with a concentrated blast as a ssj. Then we see Baby use the other base Saiyans to force Vegetas body to transform into a ssj2, which was over ssj3 Goku and Super Vegettos levels. Then we see sjj4 Goku. And then we are told point blank Goku and Vegeta keep the power they get from absorbing the others Saiyan energy by Vegeta in Heart of the Prince and by watching Goku vs 17. Vegeta says his ssj2 was so far above the others including Majuub that only he could fathom Gpkus power, and Goku in ssj does better vs 17 than anyone. Then we see Pan gets progressively stringer even more so leaving Trunks in the dust and Goten planets away power wise. She can dust a dragon that is stronger than 17, slap another around, and a dragon needs her to fight off ssj4 Goku. Ice also notes that he felt the need to sneak her to take the balls, and that she still fought back, and she wasn't even out of commission as she recovered without a senzu. So Goku gets another boost from. The Saiyans, Vegeta gets another boost from Bulmas machine, and they retain a power up. Did I mention Bulla says she can go out and kill off goons who came from hell like Bojack, Yakon, and the like which is ssj2 tier Just leaves us with this - Goku - Vegeta - Majuub/Gohan - Piccolo/Pan - Trunks - Goten - Bulla - 18 - Humans Edited by Kblo247, Sep 7 2012, 12:14 AM.



* Crashbreaka	Sep 7 2012, 12:48 AM Post #6
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	It's probably because Toei doesn't look nearly as in depth into it as we do. They look at DBZ, think 'ah yes, they are strong, fire energy blasts, and transform'. When we see DBZ we think of all the consistencies with power, who can beat who, and all that stuff. That being said, GT is still a giant sack of *****.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Sep 7 2012, 01:23 AM Post #7
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	If that's the case we all need to get together and make our own DBGT series then. I feel the same way though. Instead of them looking or thinking far into depth they are just going by what they need to complete that saga. Rushing instead of using good logic like how earlier DBZ kind of did I guess. Edited by Professor Gohan, Sep 7 2012, 01:27 AM.



Mike XL	Sep 7 2012, 02:51 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	GT pretty illogical overall. I don't take it into account with DB/DBZ, I view it as filler, which it is. It's irrelevant.



* Crashbreaka	Sep 7 2012, 03:01 AM Post #9
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	Professor Gohan Sep 7 2012, 01:23 AM If that's the case we all need to get together and make our own DBGT series then. I feel the same way though. Instead of them looking or thinking far into depth they are just going by what they need to complete that saga. Rushing instead of using good logic like how earlier DBZ kind of did I guess. It's sad but we really should make our own GT series. Unfortunately I have no money or skill.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Sep 7 2012, 03:25 AM Post #10
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I know. If I could that would be the bomb. Something that would never happen though.. too bad. If it was AT who would of done all the writing is it safe to say he would of taken his time with all the logic and power scaling and the whole shebang? Even though he was getting burnt out a little.



oodle	Sep 7 2012, 12:59 PM Post #11
Posts: 349 Group: Member Member #6,186 Joined: May 12, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Code Geass	GT is extremely random and has no consistency with it's power levels. Most people work off the fact that Goku said Rilldo was stronger than Buu. We can assume he's talking about Kid Buu. Now Goku fights him in base and goes even. So most assume something like this. SSJ3 Goku (Z) - 1000 Base Kid Goku (GT) - 1500 basically 1.5x (for me anyway). One stupid thing I noticed in GT was this - Majuub fights Super Baby and is on par/stronger than him (case can be made that majuub let baby absorb him so he could tear him apart from the inside, forcing Baby out of Vegeta without killing Vegeta) Now we get Super 17 (initial and with no power absorbed), he takes a direct hit from majuub without flinching (already super 17 is stronger than super baby 2), 17 retaliates against the Z fighters after absorbing power and the only one who can stand is SSJ Vegeta. Vegeta then fights 17 and gets constantly pummelled, whilst majuub hasn't even had the power to stand. So what this means is that SSJ Vegeta is potentially > Super Baby 2.... um what. SSJ3 Goku couldn't even fight Base baby vegeta. Basically Vegeta somehow got stronger than majuub in a matter of days. No what actually happened is that majuub isn't a major/popular character, Vegeta is, thus Vegeta gets more screen time. He's shown to be more resilient/stronger when he shouldn't be Edited by oodle, Sep 7 2012, 01:00 PM.



Kblo247	Sep 8 2012, 02:03 AM Post #12
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Vegeta kept Baby's power ups from the base Saiyans and blitz waves, just like Goku kept the SSJ and Pan energy. Vegeta states in Heart of Prince that only he with his ssj2 limits even had the power to fathom how strong Goku truly was. That means the full bloods keep the energy they absorbed and it was a large boost to their other forms



+ Pyrus	Sep 9 2012, 08:06 PM Post #13
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I'm seeing a lot of "I don't understand this so I'm saying it's dumb." No offense, but that's a bit ridiculous. Try analyzing GT before you shrug it off as nonsense. A lot of power debates can be solved, people just don't try "because it's GT." Z to GT power comparisons aren't as wacky as people think. Quote: Then we see sjj4 Goku. And then we are told point blank Goku and Vegeta keep the power they get from absorbing the others Saiyan energy by Vegeta in Heart of the Prince and by watching Goku vs 17. Vegeta says his ssj2 was so far above the others including Majuub that only he could fathom Gpkus power, and Goku in ssj does better vs 17 than anyone. Dub line. Here is what Vegeta really says. Original: "Ever since then, I put it all behind me. I decided not to chase after you any longer, Kakarot. Right now, I'm just genuinely curious as to what my limits are. I'm going to become stronger still!"
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