USSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs LSSJ Broly (Movie 10)

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USSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs LSSJ Broly (Movie 10)
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Kblo247	Sep 7 2012, 12:28 AM Post #31
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Videl doesn't know they are Saiyans. She knows of them being gold fighters Goten and Trunks do not know that Broly is a Saiyan. Goten and Trunks do not Gokus Saiyan name is Kakarot as they ask if he is talking about carrots. Vegeta at and before the torueny refers to Goku as Kakarot in front of them. He even asks if the youngest child of Kakaort can go ssj Trunks and Goten are weak, Trunks doesn't have his gi, and that implies they haven't finished their training with Gohan or Vegeta for the tourney. Videl knows of the DBs because the boys told her about them so they could go on an adventure without Gohan. They basically made her their big sister for the day with the promise of a wish, as they themselves didn't know you now get 2 thanks to Dende. Goten sees an angel come from the heavens that looks like him which is how Gohan described him as being to Goten, Trunks lives in a place with pictures of Goku who is his mothers oldest friend and a father who is obsessed with Kakarot, and Goku wasn't a ssj3 then. And there is MOVIE 11. 18, Trunks, Krillin, and Goten go to collect after the tourney. Satan says he doesn't get the prize money to weeks after implying they went soon after the tourney to get paid.



~~free willie~~	Sep 7 2012, 07:01 AM Post #32
Posts: 288 Group: Suspended Member #8,092 Joined: August 9, 2012	Kyouka Suigetsu Sep 6 2012, 11:29 PM None of that means squat. Do you think TOEI cares whether they're consistent with their movies or not? Also, if I recall, Goten and Trunks are amazed at Gohan's power, meaning they haven't seen Gohan's power yet....and yet Goten recognizes Goku...so do you really think any of that means anything? If anything, the "alternate timeline" is one where Goten and Trunks tell Videl about the Dragon Balls....much simpler than bringing up the Zeta-Sword for no good reason. As for Goten knowing who Goku was....if you were Goten and had just made a wish for your father to appear, hoping that Shenron was listening.....would you be surprised if your older look-alike appeared out of nowhere? Would you not assume he's your father? I love how people think that toei doesn't care. why did you call toei and find out for yourself or did he fly down to your house and tell you Movie are alternative universe, they Dont relate to manga. And goten said "that sound like dad" which means he hear him before, plus Goku knowing that Goten is his son. Plus we got videl saying " why do i get the big dumb ugly ones" meaning its after she vs spokovich, also where is vegeta. trunks mentioned him in the movie. So its pretty clear that is after budokai. especially if goku can go ssj2



Ahri	Sep 8 2012, 12:04 AM Post #33
Posts: 417 Group: Probation Member #8,035 Joined: July 31, 2012	free willie Sep 7 2012, 07:01 AM Kyouka Suigetsu Sep 6 2012, 11:29 PM None of that means squat. Do you think TOEI cares whether they're consistent with their movies or not? Also, if I recall, Goten and Trunks are amazed at Gohan's power, meaning they haven't seen Gohan's power yet....and yet Goten recognizes Goku...so do you really think any of that means anything? If anything, the "alternate timeline" is one where Goten and Trunks tell Videl about the Dragon Balls....much simpler than bringing up the Zeta-Sword for no good reason. As for Goten knowing who Goku was....if you were Goten and had just made a wish for your father to appear, hoping that Shenron was listening.....would you be surprised if your older look-alike appeared out of nowhere? Would you not assume he's your father? I love how people think that toei doesn't care. why did you call toei and find out for yourself or did he fly down to your house and tell you Movie are alternative universe, they Dont relate to manga. And goten said "that sound like dad" which means he hear him before, plus Goku knowing that Goten is his son. Plus we got videl saying " why do i get the big dumb ugly ones" meaning its after she vs spokovich, also where is vegeta. trunks mentioned him in the movie. So its pretty clear that is after budokai. especially if goku can go ssj2 AU means that Buu doesn't exist or Z sword doesn't exist either, since Z-Sword Gohan is in the middle of Buu terrorizing earth, everyone agrees with this but you. lol.... Goku can go SSJ2 before budokai as well It is inconsistent with the manga also means that he wouldn't be Z sword Gohan. The clothes itself proves this. Edited by Ahri, Sep 8 2012, 12:05 AM.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 8 2012, 12:09 AM Post #34
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	GridZero Sep 6 2012, 01:22 PM Daiz says SSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku (Boo Saga) Logically SSJ2/SSJ3 Broly > SSJ2/SSJ3 Goku. Even if you think Gohan from Movie 10 is only as strong as Budokai Gohan, Broly stomped him so badly that it's not exactly hard to put him on SSJ2 Goku's level in LSSJ. putting it that way it could be true, but if broly is still just a super saiyan and gohan is also, would gohan be able to fight ssj2 goku at his level of power displayed in this movie? not in my opinion. Logically you could assume that, but then again? there is no other form for broly but the one he has, so lets see: gohan made it clear he wanted to be as strong as his dad. with a boost back to maybe just beyond full power goku defeated broly. gohan needed help from goten and a ghost of his dad to defeat broly. not a very good comparison in all fairness. it actually means gohan never hit gokus level of SSJ. Just like in the futures past timeline when goku died before gohans real training started. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Sep 8 2012, 12:10 AM.



Wintergreen5000	Sep 8 2012, 02:52 PM Post #35
WCZE Posts: 1,954 Group: Member Member #4,914 Joined: May 26, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Bleach What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	What good is power if you can't catch your opponent? Gohan would be too slow. As for the time period of Movie 10, it undoubtedly takes place before the tournament, since Movie 11 takes place just after the tournament, and they're connected. If Movie 10 is sometime after the tournament, then it contradicts 18's, Trunks and Goten's presence at the tournament site sometime later from Movie 10 in Movie 11. The only thing I can say regarding other points brought up trying to prove Movie 10 is after the tournament is that the movie features are rife with plotholes and mistakes. You cannot make a basis off of something that is known to be a mistake in the light of the overall plot. If Movie 11 starts JUST after the tournament, then Movie 10 can't possibily be after the tournement, because it would be a huge, nonsensical plothole, especially considering that the two movie's stories are related. I think this fact takes precedence over other arguments that are post-tourney for Movie 10 like Goten knowing his dad and vice versa, simply because it denies the validity of such statements in light of manga [or main-story canon for those who despise that term in this section of the forum] continuity and confirms it's actually just a plot-device.



~~Slayerslice~~	Sep 8 2012, 03:02 PM Post #36
Posts: 1,163 Group: Banned Member #8,245 Joined: September 6, 2012	I don't remember electric sparks at Gohan when he was doing the Kamehameha vs. Broly, indicating he was only Super Saiyan.



Wintergreen5000	Sep 8 2012, 03:16 PM Post #37
WCZE Posts: 1,954 Group: Member Member #4,914 Joined: May 26, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Bleach What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	It was already established Gohan was SSjin 2 when he first faced LSSjin Broly in Movie 10. The Daizenshuu states that SSjin Broly is stronger than MSSjin Goku. If this is the case, why would Gohan transform into a Super Saiyan to face LSSjin Broly, who is undoubtedly more powerful than MSSjin Goku, especially considering Toriyama's notes on Movie 10 Broly, that he is even stronger than he was before from Movie 8? Not to mention, Gohan's hair is different when he faces LSSjin Broly, unlike afterward when he sees Videl faint and merely goes Super Saiyan. Why the creators did this is beyond me, but considering the basis for Gohan being SSjin 2 in his initial fight with LSSjin Broly in Movie 10 is well-founded, I see no reason to dismiss it simply because Gohan is erroneously portrayed as a Super Saiyan during Broly's defeat, especially considering that, if SSjin Broly is indeed stronger than MSSjin Goku, there's no way they'd be able to push LSSjin Broly into the Sun as mere Super Saiyans.



~~Slayerslice~~	Sep 8 2012, 03:18 PM Post #38
Posts: 1,163 Group: Banned Member #8,245 Joined: September 6, 2012	Broly has no fight IQ, he has power but not the smarts, he is just a brute without skill or experience. He's a classic bully, when he gets overthrown he crumbles and loses, that's a huge weakness. Broly never experienced adversity, he doesn't know how to deal with someone that is stronger then him. I have Teen SSJ2 Gohan that has 2 arms vs. Cell, beat Broly. Edited by Slayerslice, Sep 8 2012, 03:21 PM.



Ahri	Sep 8 2012, 03:22 PM Post #39
Posts: 417 Group: Probation Member #8,035 Joined: July 31, 2012	Wintergreen5000 Sep 8 2012, 02:52 PM What good is power if you can't catch your opponent? Gohan would be too slow. As for the time period of Movie 10, it undoubtedly takes place before the tournament, since Movie 11 takes place just after the tournament, and they're connected. If Movie 10 is sometime after the tournament, then it contradicts 18's, Trunks and Goten's presence at the tournament site sometime later from Movie 10 in Movie 11. The only thing I can say regarding other points brought up trying to prove Movie 10 is after the tournament is that the movie features are rife with plotholes and mistakes. You cannot make a basis off of something that is known to be a mistake in the light of the overall plot. If Movie 11 starts JUST after the tournament, then Movie 10 can't possibily be after the tournement, because it would be a huge, nonsensical plothole, especially considering that the two movie's stories are related. I think this fact takes precedence over other arguments that are post-tourney for Movie 10 like Goten knowing his dad and vice versa, simply because it denies the validity of such statements in light of manga [or main-story canon for those who despise that term in this section of the forum] continuity and confirms it's actually just a plot-device. Thanks for bringing that up, I actually forgotten to mention about m11 time placement would be the ultimate deciding factor of m10 time placement.



MrTsoi	Sep 8 2012, 03:29 PM Post #40
What? You wannah peace of me? Posts: 1,338 Group: Member Member #7,834 Joined: June 25, 2012 Gender Male Country Netherlands Favourite Anime Drrr, Danhi Koukesai No Nichijou, Oran Highschool, Dragonball What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Spam section	Well he is still brave to fight a full power ssj goku saying i'm still stronger than youu bluah. so all in all broly is the few character's i know that has no fear of there opponent. Edited by MrTsoi, Sep 8 2012, 03:35 PM.
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Wintergreen5000	Sep 8 2012, 03:35 PM Post #41
WCZE Posts: 1,954 Group: Member Member #4,914 Joined: May 26, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Bleach What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Slayerslice Sep 8 2012, 03:18 PM Broly has no fight IQ, he has power but not the smarts, he is just a brute without skill or experience. He's a classic bully, when he gets overthrown he crumbles and loses, that's a huge weakness. Broly never experienced adversity, he doesn't know how to deal with someone that is stronger then him. I have Teen SSJ2 Gohan that has 2 arms vs. Cell, beat Broly. That's merely opinion and not fact. First of all, other characters are not shown to be able to withstand their opponents who are much stronger than them if the opponents do not hold back. Examples of this are Complete Cell vs. SSjin 2 Kid Gohan, Majin Buu vs. SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta, and 17 and 18 vs. SSjin Future Gohan. Anybody will die against an opponent who is far stronger than they are, unless the opponent is holding back immensely, like in the examples of the fights I gave that display this. What I will agree with you on is that Broly never experienced a battle that he found himself on equal grounds with his opponent(s). He was either immensely more powerful or immensely outclassed. So you cannot rightly say that Broly has no skill in battle, simply because we aren't shown a time where Broly has a real oppurtunity to show his skill in combat against an opponent tantamount to his own strength.



MrTsoi	Sep 8 2012, 03:56 PM Post #42
What? You wannah peace of me? Posts: 1,338 Group: Member Member #7,834 Joined: June 25, 2012 Gender Male Country Netherlands Favourite Anime Drrr, Danhi Koukesai No Nichijou, Oran Highschool, Dragonball What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Spam section	Yeah we kinda have never seen broly go on all out fight if he did he good be greater than buu. He has more potential than any other saiyen villain out there if he trained it would be a disaster for dbz world as we know it. Think about it he sits down does nothing one day fights a group of saiyens and his natural power is over perfect cells or on par.. what a waste of talent. Goku should have power like that not him XD. Anyway back on topic. Gohan was a ssj2 if ssj broly is>>Mssj goku were would lssj be i'll show you. Lssj>>ssj2 gohan>ssj broly>>mssj gohan>mssj goku... so basicly Lssj>>>mssj Edited by MrTsoi, Sep 8 2012, 03:57 PM.
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~~Sircum~~	Sep 8 2012, 04:05 PM Post #43
Posts: 704 Group: GTFO Member #6,115 Joined: April 29, 2011	LSSJ >> Any SS2 In the Buu Saga, non zeta or fusion.



~~Slayerslice~~	Sep 8 2012, 04:06 PM Post #44
Posts: 1,163 Group: Banned Member #8,245 Joined: September 6, 2012	Sircum Sep 8 2012, 04:05 PM LSSJ >> Any SS2 In the Buu Saga, non zeta or fusion. Not even close. Majin Vegeta would destroy any Broly.



~~Sircum~~	Sep 8 2012, 04:08 PM Post #45
Posts: 704 Group: GTFO Member #6,115 Joined: April 29, 2011	Slayerslice Sep 8 2012, 04:06 PM Sircum Sep 8 2012, 04:05 PM LSSJ >> Any SS2 In the Buu Saga, non zeta or fusion. Not even close. Majin Vegeta would destroy any Broly. Lol. SSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku. (Daiz) LSSJ Broly >>> SSJ2 Gohan (stronger than M8 Self judging by his own quote in the Jap Dub) >> M8 Gohan > SSJ Vegeta (Cell Games + Movie 8 LSSJ Broly >> SSJ2 Goku (since SSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku in the Daiz) LSSJ Broly M10 destroys both SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta in a one on two fight, brah.



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