USSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs LSSJ Broly (Movie 10)

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USSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs LSSJ Broly (Movie 10)
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~~Sircum~~	Sep 5 2012, 07:21 PM Post #16
Posts: 704 Group: GTFO Member #6,115 Joined: April 29, 2011	LSSJ Broly (M10) >>> SSJ2 Goku = Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Kid Gohan Gohan would only be around SSJ2 Goku Buu Saga, so he loses, considering Broly's Zenkai and Gohan getting stronger than his M8 self, which his M8 Self = Cell Games self. Quote: i actually think that gohan was made to do better in base, as he could have been stronger than teen gohan but not as strong as kid gohan. im still not sold on the whole ssj2 thing. There really shouldnt be SSj2 in the brolyverse. I dont see any evidence at all and comparing canon gohan with this movie gohan is what makes people think broly is stronger than an ssj2 gohan that was clearly drawn as an MSSj, his long bang not withstanding due to his recent haircut. Wait are you actually saying this or are you joking? If there was "No SSJ2" in the Broly Universe, Cell would have killed everyone. Gohan was clearly SSJ2 in Movie 10, everyone concluded this years ago, and the Daizenshuu itself said it. Edited by Sircum, Sep 5 2012, 08:24 PM.



~~free willie~~	Sep 6 2012, 09:10 AM Post #17
Posts: 288 Group: Suspended Member #8,092 Joined: August 9, 2012	Super Buutenks Sep 5 2012, 06:58 PM no name Sep 5 2012, 06:56 PM Base Gohan being stronger than SSJ kids and Videl knowing about dragonballs. Broly was toying with Base Gohan, Videl knowing about the dragon balls is because they were hunting for them in the first place. Nothing contradicts the fact that Buu doesn't exist and therefore Zsword Gohan cannot exist either. This is toei world. movie dont involve manga timelines And no your wrong. broly wasn't toying. because if he was, then he wouldn't power up and release his best attack. And gohan punched out his attack with 1 arm



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 6 2012, 10:25 AM Post #18
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Sircum Sep 5 2012, 07:21 PM LSSJ Broly (M10) >>> SSJ2 Goku = Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Kid Gohan Gohan would only be around SSJ2 Goku Buu Saga, so he loses, considering Broly's Zenkai and Gohan getting stronger than his M8 self, which his M8 Self = Cell Games self. Quote: i actually think that gohan was made to do better in base, as he could have been stronger than teen gohan but not as strong as kid gohan. im still not sold on the whole ssj2 thing. There really shouldnt be SSj2 in the brolyverse. I dont see any evidence at all and comparing canon gohan with this movie gohan is what makes people think broly is stronger than an ssj2 gohan that was clearly drawn as an MSSj, his long bang not withstanding due to his recent haircut. Wait are you actually saying this or are you joking? If there was "No SSJ2" in the Broly Universe, Cell would have killed everyone. Gohan was clearly SSJ2 in Movie 10, everyone concluded this years ago, and the Daizenshuu itself said it. the daiz is an opnion made fan guide, and it doesnt matter what PEOPLE say, the producer himself said that broly was only set up to be the strongest SUPER SAIYAN. and the daiz only says that broly in SSJ is stronger than goku, not even saying by how much or why it matters when broly was stronger than goku in movie 8 and was STILL defeated. Suck it up, not only was gohan not drawn as an SSj2? you cant even prove he had it. Just like dabura vs gohan, at least in the narration he was an SSJ2, and can be related to as such because goku compared dabura to full power cell, whom gohan NEEDED ssj2 to defeat. cell doesnt exist in the brolyverse and isnt connected to the main time line, let alone the anime, at all. read the producers quote, and then tell me why him only being setup as the strongest super saiyan doesnt correlate with the real story. At all. its a what if, a what if teen gohan that couldnt even access SSj2 in the main timeline, found out that the dragonballs were needed for an emergency and found broly in the forest for no reason. saying gohan powered up doesnt mean he found ssj2 when he made it clear his dream was to be as strong as his father. you guys and the daiz. LOL so lame, people dont decide what others should believe when there isnt even a clear line. whats next? proving gohan was ssj2 because of his bang? or goku during the final shot? LOL might as well say goten too. So your assessement of broly super eating ssj2 goku is unfounded and unprovable. The cell games happened in correlation with the movie 8 timeline, another what if verse, and no mention of cell at all trying to destroy the world while goku goes running off and is gone for longer than the ten days cell even gave him. provide proof, instead of using a companion guide that isnt setup to provide all of the facts, and makes people ask more questions instead of answers them. use the movie, use the quote. then think again. where in the movie is gohan ssj2? and if so? why isnt his transformation as epic as brolys? why is it that in movie 9 he gets all the bells and whistles against bojack, but made to look a punk against broly? because they arent connected. No cell? no ssj2. find a part in the daiz that says broly is stronger than goku in all of his forms and i will recant. Him only being super saiyan in a movie where EVERYONE is only super saiyan doesnt persuade me. never did, and i dont need your permission to believe it. I can watch the movie and see it for myself. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Sep 6 2012, 10:32 AM.



Kblo247	Sep 6 2012, 10:47 AM Post #19
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	It was before the tourney - Videl is off with Trunks and Goten to make a wish off a story they told her. She doesn't know about the whole two wishes like she was told by Bulma and the others after Vegeta massacred the people. - Gohan is dressed like Piccolo, not Saiyaman or Goku, and he only wears that outfit to train as well as teach Goten and Videl. He was supposed to be meeting them later. - Trunks isn't in his gi, which he only adopts after training with Vegeta in the GR for the tourney to beat Goten. He is in capsule corp casual gear like when Goku tells them he will compete. ----- The only main difference is that Videl is aware of them being gold fighters (she doesn't know Broly is a ssj) here and worlds over her torueny self power wise, maybe over her anime self period. She tanks a clothesline from SSJ Broly, must be a Satan thing to take punishment and shake it off I guess. Even though Goten wishes his dad was there, Goku comes in as what Gohan described him as before the torueny and he met him, an angel who made you feel like everything was going to be all right. Trunks and Goten both didn't even know what a Kakarot was, as they thought it was a vegetable, not knowing it was a Saiyan name and they are clearly told Goku is Kakarot at and before the tourney Another thing is that movie 11 makes it clear that 18 has actually come to collect after taking a dive. She came to collect after the tourney in a Buu less world. They clearly link 10 and 11 together, and in this one they make it clear the torueny had past as Krillin, 18, and Trunks all have their fighting gear on from said tourney and want the money. Edited by Kblo247, Sep 6 2012, 11:29 AM.



~~Sircum~~	Sep 6 2012, 11:00 AM Post #20
Posts: 704 Group: GTFO Member #6,115 Joined: April 29, 2011	Nope. Toriyama approves of the Daiz, Ninjajp. And the daiz is the only thing we can rely on.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 6 2012, 11:06 AM Post #21
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	then all is lost, and im aware toriyama liked the idea of the daiz, and seriously doubt that toriyama was an actual fan. He contributed to the first couple, but after awhile? not sure. even gridzero REPEATEDLY showed me a page from it while trying to prove there was such thing as an RSSj broly, and it was made claer by EVERY drawing that SSJ broly had purple hair. So yeah, WHERE is this RSSJ broly? and how does he have a power level? hes suppressed ? who came up with that? sorry sircum, even paragus himself said that controlling broly means controlling his power, and brolys power made him crazy, the headband was a nullifier for his psychosis, nothing more. it didnt actually CONTROL brolys power. toriyama did like the idea of the daiz, but its own contradictions and timeline mess ups dont have me convinced, especially when it just makes up a form and runs with it, despite having no proof to provide it exists from toriyamas original sketches for the idea. Im sure grid will show you, EACH picture only showed THREE brolys, broly, ssj broly and LSSj broly. there is just too much going on, and alot toriyama wasnt a part of in the actual creation of this movie, character creation not withstanding. i just dont SEE it, and therefore aint buying it. But i digress, gohan would lose this fight against movie 10 LSSj broly. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Sep 6 2012, 11:08 AM.



~~GridZero~~	Sep 6 2012, 01:22 PM Post #22
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Daiz says SSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku (Boo Saga) Logically SSJ2/SSJ3 Broly > SSJ2/SSJ3 Goku. Even if you think Gohan from Movie 10 is only as strong as Budokai Gohan, Broly stomped him so badly that it's not exactly hard to put him on SSJ2 Goku's level in LSSJ.



Ahri	Sep 6 2012, 02:55 PM Post #23
Posts: 417 Group: Probation Member #8,035 Joined: July 31, 2012	free willie Sep 6 2012, 09:10 AM Super Buutenks Sep 5 2012, 06:58 PM no name Sep 5 2012, 06:56 PM Base Gohan being stronger than SSJ kids and Videl knowing about dragonballs. Broly was toying with Base Gohan, Videl knowing about the dragon balls is because they were hunting for them in the first place. Nothing contradicts the fact that Buu doesn't exist and therefore Zsword Gohan cannot exist either. This is toei world. movie dont involve manga timelines And no your wrong. broly wasn't toying. because if he was, then he wouldn't power up and release his best attack. And gohan punched out his attack with 1 arm I guess buu dont exist in fusion reborn either then. He is not z sword Gohan it has alread been proven multiple times i n this thread, not going to repeat myself



~~free willie~~	Sep 6 2012, 11:17 PM Post #24
Posts: 288 Group: Suspended Member #8,092 Joined: August 9, 2012	Please you cant even prove if the sky is blue, movie have alternative universe. Videl knew about dragons balls, Trunks knew about goku power. goten ki control was great. And goku knew goten. There not proof of movie 10 happening before budokai, Gohan punched out broly best move with 1 hand. that means his rivaling range. plus saying i powered up considerably. Lssj=ssj=>base gohan m10>ssj goku buu saga



+ Kyouks	Sep 6 2012, 11:20 PM Post #25
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	no name Sep 5 2012, 06:48 PM According to my timeline theory,M10 Gohan has trained with Z sword. Which is impossible as the Z-Sword didn't exist at this point. Goku hasn't even gone SSJ3 yet. I don't even think Goku and Majin Vegeta have fought when the movie came out....[ Anyways, in my books, USSJ2 is equal to SSJ2 power at the absolute best.....so SSJ2 Kid Gohan >= USSJ2 Kid Gohan....and in my books, Broly > All SSJ2s pre-Zeta and pre-EoZ....Broly wins. Edited by Kyouks, Sep 6 2012, 11:23 PM.



~~free willie~~	Sep 6 2012, 11:23 PM Post #26
Posts: 288 Group: Suspended Member #8,092 Joined: August 9, 2012	why do people make such a big deal about release dates. Trust me when i say. Release date doesn't matter. And yes goku and vegeta had fought because videl knew about shenron, trunks knew about goku power and vegeta is no where to be scene



+ Kyouks	Sep 6 2012, 11:29 PM Post #27
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	None of that means squat. Do you think TOEI cares whether they're consistent with their movies or not? Also, if I recall, Goten and Trunks are amazed at Gohan's power, meaning they haven't seen Gohan's power yet....and yet Goten recognizes Goku...so do you really think any of that means anything? If anything, the "alternate timeline" is one where Goten and Trunks tell Videl about the Dragon Balls....much simpler than bringing up the Zeta-Sword for no good reason. As for Goten knowing who Goku was....if you were Goten and had just made a wish for your father to appear, hoping that Shenron was listening.....would you be surprised if your older look-alike appeared out of nowhere? Would you not assume he's your father?



Ahri	Sep 6 2012, 11:54 PM Post #28
Posts: 417 Group: Probation Member #8,035 Joined: July 31, 2012	free willie Sep 6 2012, 11:17 PM Please you cant even prove if the sky is blue, movie have alternative universe. Videl knew about dragons balls, Trunks knew about goku power. goten ki control was great. And goku knew goten. There not proof of movie 10 happening before budokai, Gohan punched out broly best move with 1 hand. that means his rivaling range. plus saying i powered up considerably. Lssj=ssj=>base gohan m10>ssj goku buu saga Rofl here you go again ignoring what i said and repeating nonsensical crap. 1. Buu is suppose to exist at this point yet he wasn't mentioned ( Fusion Reborn mentioned) 2. Gohan clothes were different, Videl knowing about DB is plot convenience 3. You are using every little way to hype up broly's power as usual



MrTsoi	Sep 7 2012, 12:01 AM Post #29
What? You wannah peace of me? Posts: 1,338 Group: Member Member #7,834 Joined: June 25, 2012 Gender Male Country Netherlands Favourite Anime Drrr, Danhi Koukesai No Nichijou, Oran Highschool, Dragonball What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Spam section	Gohan was not at the sword gosh videl barely knew how to fly...and i'm sure goten and trunks would have fused or were they trapped inside buu or something and did i say gohan was not at sword?
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~~GridZero~~	Sep 7 2012, 12:04 AM Post #30
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	This movie takes place at a time before, or literally during the Budokai as indicated by the release of this film. I don't know how this is even up for debate.



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