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Chi Chi is insane
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Kblo247	Sep 4 2012, 02:57 AM Post #31
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Spirit Metaphor Sep 4 2012, 02:45 AM Kblo247 Sep 4 2012, 02:33 AM It isn't like she thought she confused Goku into marrying her. She thought he knew what it meant until after they actually fought and found out he didn't, and Goku then willingly said he wanted to be with her for to form a family It says something when Vegeta can grow up to be a more responsible husband, father after not even being raised by a loving family and having a stable home. Goku had friends, family, love, and would walk away happily for any journey. Vegeta stayed with Bulma, fought being settled down after Trunks was born, then after the Cell Games was there 7 straight years as a father, came back post Buu admitting that he loved Bulma and Trunks, and then had a daughter who adored him and he treated like a princess on throughout GT to the point he had willingly got a drivers license and shopped to make her happy. What does it say when Vegeta is the more responsible grown up? 'To grow up' is to recognise the responsibilities in life are not dictated by the whims of authority or some abstract ideal, but rather the choices you make. Vegeta chose to have a child with Bulma, but Goku ignorantly complied because he felt it would make Chi Chi happy, and that's what Goku does, he wants to make people feel happy. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying Vegeta was taught the exact opposite of Goku. Goku was taught the importance of caring for a young child by Grandpa Gohan. He was taught the importance of friendship by Krillin. He was taught discipline by Roshi. He was taught that girls and boys are different by Bulma. He was taught the importance of relationships, as well as the dos and don'ts be Yamcha. He was even mothered by Launch. Even Tien taught him about competing and learning from your mistakes. Popo and Korin also taught him Vegeta was taken from his father and his people as a child, to be a slave to a tyrant, he was told do what I say or they all die, only for him to do it and they still all be killed. He was part of a race who sent babies off and didn't think of any attachment to children. He he was sent over the galaxy to Ikill and ravage. He was never once in his life ore Earth shown compassion or respect, fear yes. Vegeta went to earth and chose to be a father the best way he knew how with no example, stuck around to be a husband, took the kid to the park, heck he didnt even force Trunks to truly train hard despite that being saiyan culture until Trunks wanted to enter the Budokia, he grew accustomed to earth life, and would then basically be super dad for his daughter. I'm just saying its funny that the guy who isn't attached or there for his family or friends, is the guys who was raised to know better while Vegeta willingly did all that more and more as time passed. It comes to maturity at some point, which Goku just outright lacked. In fact in filler, Chi Chi outright says let's switch to Bulma, despite knowing Vegeta isn't naturally sweet, but admitting he is more than dependable



Spirit Metaphor	Sep 4 2012, 03:03 AM Post #32
Posts: 130 Group: Member Member #8,196 Joined: August 28, 2012 Favourite Manga Berserk	@Anonymous23 I agree there seems to be conflict in Chi Chi's mind regarding the nature of obligations, but I assure you it isn't a misconception to suggest that the efficacy of her behaviour is more than questionable. This goes for many individuals in real life, Chi Chi is a reflection of a kind of dishonest, manipulative, narcissistic mind-set. It may be a little tough for people to accept if they are a victim of anyone like this in their own life (most of us are). It would be easier to have sympathy for her if we actually saw what happened during her child and early teen years. Edited by Spirit Metaphor, Sep 4 2012, 03:11 AM.



Kblo247	Sep 4 2012, 03:12 AM Post #33
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	How is it maipultive if she after finding out Goku didn't know what marriage was, asks you didn't mean it and let's him decide? Especially since she gave him the out and he said he chose to marry her She seemed to be kept away from everyone like Gohan as a kid, except when the village was in danger, so I would assume she was treated like a true princess and had no other male callers. I mean she was shocked when a boy in Yamcha showed any interest in her Edited by Kblo247, Sep 4 2012, 03:13 AM.



Spirit Metaphor	Sep 4 2012, 03:16 AM Post #34
Posts: 130 Group: Member Member #8,196 Joined: August 28, 2012 Favourite Manga Berserk	Are you assuming that Goku has any philosophical knowledge regarding what to look for in a relationship? All he really knows is how to fight and make friends and respect the property of others. The marriage was imposed upon Goku by Chi Chi. I already explained how the manipulation goes further, it's the explosive disregard for the preferences of others when they're in opposition to hers. It's true that she may eventually reach compromises, but this is never demonstrated as her initial line of reasoning based on what I recall. Edited by Spirit Metaphor, Sep 4 2012, 03:24 AM.



Pookie	Sep 4 2012, 03:22 AM Post #35
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	You're making Chichi to be an outright monster. She is none of those what you mentioned before. If this were true, nimbus would have known it. The nimbus would have not allowed Chichi to ride it as it had just saiyan. She has a pure heart so stop trying to make her out as this person who was to fault for Goku's mistakes. If he really did not want to be with her, he could have said no. Not just that, but they had TWO kids together not just one. Chichi had a good heart, but the fact that she was a fighter herself is the reason she acted out in aggression. Most boxers, fighters, martial artists, etc. when they are frustrated, they let their anger out in an aggressive manner on a punching bag, etc. You are making Goku to be this innocent, naive person and he really is not that at all. He knew what he was getting himself into when Krillin mentioned that it was a "woman you would have to spend the rest of your life with." He knew it and he accepted it. Edited by Pookie, Sep 4 2012, 03:26 AM.



Kblo247	Sep 4 2012, 03:23 AM Post #36
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Yeah her dads natural reaction was to taken axe to someone's head when mad And she was pure as a teen and adult as Nimbus never let her fall Edited by Kblo247, Sep 4 2012, 03:24 AM.



Bluesummers	Sep 4 2012, 03:26 AM Post #37
Posts: 174 Group: Duplicate Member #7,500 Joined: April 2, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Inuyasha, Trigun, DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome	IMO Chi-Chi has some very serious obsession and anger problems!



Spirit Metaphor	Sep 4 2012, 03:27 AM Post #38
Posts: 130 Group: Member Member #8,196 Joined: August 28, 2012 Favourite Manga Berserk	Anonymous23 Sep 4 2012, 03:22 AM You're making Chichi to be an outright monster. She is none of those what you mentioned before. If this were true, nimbus would have known it. The nimbus would have not allowed Chichi to ride it as it had just saiyan. She has a pure heart so stop trying to make her out as this person who was to fault for Goku's mistakes. If he really did not want to be with her, he could have said no. Not just that, but they had TWO kids together not just one. Chichi had a good heart, but the fact that she was a fighter herself is the reason she acted out in aggression. Most boxers, fighters, martial artists, etc. when they are frustrated, they let their anger out in an aggressive manner on a punching bag, etc. You are making Goku to be this innocent, naive person and he really is not that at all. The unfortunate truth is that many mothers are monsters. I know that's a violatile topic, and I doubt Toriyama was even aware of how he was writing her, but nonetheless, it's there. Good intentions do not excuse her behaviour. In fact, some of the most dangerous people are those with good intentions, but little knowledge. Regardless, to be 'good' based on preference is subjective, it cannot be imposed. Any hardship she ever experienced is fundamentally her own fault, there is no way around it. Edited by Spirit Metaphor, Sep 4 2012, 03:34 AM.



Pookie	Sep 4 2012, 03:33 AM Post #39
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Yeah because giving birth to someone and protecting them from harm is being a "bad" mother. I Guess the nimbus was wrong too for letting Goku ride on it because it can't tell the difference between a good/bad person either. Yeah, I am just going to step away from this debate with you. Believe what you want to believe. Enjoy. Edited by Pookie, Sep 4 2012, 03:34 AM.



Spirit Metaphor	Sep 4 2012, 03:38 AM Post #40
Posts: 130 Group: Member Member #8,196 Joined: August 28, 2012 Favourite Manga Berserk	Anonymous23 Sep 4 2012, 03:33 AM Yeah because giving birth to someone and protecting them from harm is being a "bad" mother. I Guess the nimbus was wrong too for letting Goku ride on it because it can't tell the difference between a good/bad person either. Yeah, I am just going to step away from this debate with you. Believe what you want to believe. Enjoy. Having sex then giving birth does not automatically make anyone a saint, not does following through on the implicit obligation to make sure the child is sheltered and fed. As for Nimbus, like I said, I highly doubt Toriyama possessed any deep insight regarding the nature of relationships, otherwise he wouldn't have made Chi Chi such a loose cannon. Edited by Spirit Metaphor, Sep 4 2012, 03:41 AM.



Strawberry	Sep 4 2012, 03:40 AM Post #41
Chiaroscuro ♥ Posts: 17,000 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	Guys, let's not make this debate too personal. Plus, in all honesty, I truly don't believe Chichi or most DBZ characters for that matter were dense to the point of analyzing them in depth on a psychological level and in correlation with real life experiences. It's an anime, it's supposed to be a little outrageous and exaggerated.
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Spirit Metaphor	Sep 4 2012, 03:43 AM Post #42
Posts: 130 Group: Member Member #8,196 Joined: August 28, 2012 Favourite Manga Berserk	Strawberry Sep 4 2012, 03:40 AM Guys, let's not make this debate too personal. Plus, in all honesty, I truly don't believe Chichi or most DBZ characters for that matter were dense to the point of analyzing them in depth on a psychological level and in correlation with real life experiences. It's an anime, it's supposed to be a little outrageous and exaggerated. All art is an insight into somebodies' psyche, namely the artist. In turn, an artists' psyche reflects the social norms within their life experience. Edited by Spirit Metaphor, Sep 4 2012, 03:45 AM.



Pookie	Sep 4 2012, 03:44 AM Post #43
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Spirit Metaphor Sep 4 2012, 03:38 AM Anonymous23 Sep 4 2012, 03:33 AM Yeah because giving birth to someone and protecting them from harm is being a "bad" mother. I Guess the nimbus was wrong too for letting Goku ride on it because it can't tell the difference between a good/bad person either. Yeah, I am just going to step away from this debate with you. Believe what you want to believe. Enjoy. Having sex then giving birth does not automatically make anyone a saint, not does following through on the implicit obligation to make sure the child is sheltered and fed. As for Nimbus, like I said, I highly doubt Toriyama possessed any deep insight regarding the nature of relationships, otherwise he wouldn't have made Chi Chi such a loose cannon. Actually, if you read the manga, Toriyama wasn't too much into writing romance, which is why he didn't add any or didn't bother including it. The manga version I have actually has his commentary. So if you want me to scan the page for you with facts, I'll do it. Chichi training Goten herself and allowing Gohan to fight in Future Trunks timeline already puts your theory as to Chichi being obsessive, angry, and uncaring or whatever else you said about her. Yeah she was truly a "loose" cannon so we can say that about Goku too considering he was based off Sun Wukong, and she was based off Princess Iron fan. Goku being completely NAIVE, yet having TWO children with a woman that is SUPPOSEDLY this horrible woman makes him innocent to the T. Isn't Goku supposed to know who is evil? If she was evil, wouldn't he have known it? If you want to get REALLY technical, some of the ideas Toriyama did take for his DB was from Journey to the West. We can say that about Ox King too. Anyone else who was written for that matter. Edited by Pookie, Sep 4 2012, 03:50 AM.



Kblo247	Sep 4 2012, 03:45 AM Post #44
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Who would want their 4 year old fighting blood thirsty alien warriors, when the weakest made Goku, Piccolo, and Krillin a joke? Goku the worlds strongest ended up dead, Piccolo ended up missing an arm and forced to help his mortal enemy, and Krillin who trained with Goku for years was one shouted into a house. Goku himself was 12 before he truly fought seriously. Vegeta was 10 when he trained with saibaman. To put into perspective with why she wasn't cool with Gohan fighting. Then take into account it was Piccolo, who tried to kill her husband who took off with him and without permission and Gohan not being able to protect himself. Heck she didn't like it, but it was her choice to let him go to Namek and wish Piccolo back despite him being a 5 year old, with only Krillin to protect him and Bulma who wasn't a fighter on a world of Namekians who could be as strong as Piccolo or Kami, all while knowing they could meet Vegeta there Edited by Kblo247, Sep 4 2012, 03:50 AM.



Spirit Metaphor	Sep 4 2012, 03:48 AM Post #45
Posts: 130 Group: Member Member #8,196 Joined: August 28, 2012 Favourite Manga Berserk	Guys, you need to look passed the fiction and see art for the messages it conveys, it doesn't matter how silly it is on the outside or what certain aspects were based off. I can't interpret Chi Chi as anything other than a disfunctional mother. Not utterly irredeemable mind you, but insane nonetheless. Edited by Spirit Metaphor, Sep 4 2012, 03:51 AM.



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