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Looking into the hax
Topic Started: Aug 23 2012, 03:58 PM (994 Views)
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An in-depth analysis of Gohan.


Here is all the evidence of him being stronger than his Movie 8 self:

- He stated that he is stronger himself
- He out-performed SSJ kids while in base
- He has SSJ2 (he didn't during Movie 8, or he didn't want to use it?)

Let's go into power levels here (just for display):

Buu Saga:
SSJ Goten-9
SSJ Trunks-9.5
SSJ Gohan: 12
SSJ2 Gohan-24

These are all before Z-Sword, Rosat, etc.

Movie 10 (since it takes place a bit before world tournament, lets nerf the kids):
SSJ Goten: 8
SSJ Trunks: 9

Base Gohan: 5 (or you can have him at the kids level)
SSJ Half Dead Gohan's Kamehameha: 125
Hypothetical Full Power SSJ Gohan: 250
SSJ Kamehmahea Push (Gohan pushes himself): 175
SSJ2 Gohan FP: 500

Initial Supressed SSJ Broly (against Base Gohan): 5
SSJ Broly against kids: 23
FP SSJ Brolly: 200
LSSJ Broly (against Gohan): 600
LSSJ Broly (Full Power): 1000



Yes, you might think that this does not make sense, but neither does any other Toei movie..For example if you try to find a multiplier for Gotenks and Gogeta, and compare the power level between Super Buu and Janemba, Janemba might have to be a lot stronger, because, even an SSJ3 haxed Goku cannot handle him...

Here:
Buu Saga:
SSJ Vegeta: 15
SSJ2 Vegeta: 30
Majin: 37

SSJ Goku: 19
SSJ2 Goku: 38
SSJ3 Goku: 120

Fat Buu: 90
Mister Buu: 50
Gray Buu: 100



Post Rosat Kids (SSJ): 15
Base Kids: 0.3

Fusion Multiplier: A+B X 30
Base: 2.7
SSJ Gotenks: 135
SSJ2 Gotenks: 270
SSJ3 Gotenks: 1080

Super Buu initial Supression: 85
Powered up: 850
Full Power: 900
Gotenks absorbed: 2000
Gohan Absorbed: 2500
Piccolo Absorbed: 1000

Ultimate Gohan: 1200

Vegeto: Oh I will not try to make sense out of him.

Kid Buu FP: 200
Or else if you think he is the strongest : 3000

Which that would make SS3 Goku mega haxed again...



Movie 12 and 13:
Goku and Vegeta in the Janemba fight:

Base: 2.7
SSJ Goku: 135
SSJ2 Goku: 270
SSJ3 Goku: 1080

Base Vegeta: 2.2
SSJ Vegeta: 110
SSJ2 Vegeta: 220

2.2 x 2.7 x 30
Base Gogeta: 178.2
SSJ Gogeta: 8910

Janemba: 2500?

Movie 13: Goku suddenly becomes stronger than Ultimate Gohan

Ultimate Gohan: 1200

SSJ Goku: 250
SSJ2 Goku: 500
SSJ3 Goku: 2000
Dragon Fist: 28000000000000000

SSJ Gotenks: 140
SSJ2 Gotenks: 280
SSJ3 Gotenks: 1090

Hirudegan 2nd Form: 1800-2000

It is not like I believe in this hax, and you shouldn't, but it just eases the way you want to make sense from things, I do believe Gohan's haxed, but every time I post around here I'd think I would sound like a dumbass saying Broly would win against a few in the Buu Saga, so I would just put him around Mister Buu instead...

And here comes the flaming?
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I'm just gonna say this. Base Gohan is haxed, sure, but not so much that he's oh-so-close to SSJ Broly. And SSJ Gohan would be nerfed - we have all these Base feats to hax up Base Gohan, right? Well, we have no SSJ feats, only SSJ2 feats, and SSJ Goten is still somewhat relevant to SSJ Gohan in the KHH struggle.

So, SSJ Goten is within "stomping range" of Base Gohan in M10. However, SSJ Gohan isn't too far off from that (TOEI has shown signs of smaller SSJ multipliers before).

EDIT: By SSJ Gohan being nerfed, I just mean he has a nerfed multiplier. So:

M10 SSJ Gohan ~ Canon SSJ Gohan > M10 Base Gohan > SSJ Goten (Canon & M10) >>> Canon Base Gohan.
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toei never nerfs. he either make the other guy stronger. gohan is the main character. so it make more sense form him to get a pump up.

lssj m8-ssj 10=>base gohan m10
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Tien is haxed so he can fight Trunks. SSjin 3 Goku is haxed to kill Hirudy. Videl survives a close-line from the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. I don't consider these erroneous feats to be deserving of justification. They should be looked upon with disregard and rejection, not tolerance and acceptance.

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1. He pushed Trunks to go SSJ/ASSJ, Tien >> Base Trunks.
2. Who said the Dragon Fist isn't an amp?
3. Super Saiyan Broly* and Broly was probably suppressed.
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Who said Dragon Fist is an amp? We no virtually nothing about it.

Super Saiyan Broly would have to be deeply suppressed indeed. I must say though that it seems unlikely he would suppress himself so much just after awakening from a traumatic experience involving his hated rival, Goku.
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Sep 12 2012, 12:49 AM
Who said Dragon Fist is an amp? We no virtually nothing about it.

Super Saiyan Broly would have to be deeply suppressed indeed. I must say though that it seems unlikely he would suppress himself so much just after awakening from a traumatic experience involving his hated rival, Goku.
1. We can't just assume it isn't, Base Goku > Super 17 > SSj4 Goku? Surely Toeiverse has an amp for the DF.
2. That's where you contradict yourself. He was in deep sleep until he heard Goten cry, surely after waking up his power isn't 100%.
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Broly doesn't start freaking out until he sees Goten. He likes toying with his opponents anyway, doesn't he? Well, except for Vegeta for some reason. He didn't immediately put Goku, Trunks, Gohan, and Piccolo out.
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Sep 12 2012, 12:51 AM
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Sep 12 2012, 12:49 AM
Who said Dragon Fist is an amp? We no virtually nothing about it.

Super Saiyan Broly would have to be deeply suppressed indeed. I must say though that it seems unlikely he would suppress himself so much just after awakening from a traumatic experience involving his hated rival, Goku.
1. We can't just assume it isn't, Base Goku > Super 17 > SSj4 Goku? Surely Toeiverse has an amp for the DF.
2. That's where you contradict yourself. He was in deep sleep until he heard Goten cry, surely after waking up his power isn't 100%.
The fact that SSjin 3 Goku basically tanked hits from Hirudegarn without much effect tells us that Goku himself is haxed, and not the Dragon Fist technique per se. Since it's established that Goku is haxed, the Dragon Fist technique is therefore most likely not a technique that amplifies the user's power to the degree you're suggesting.

Again, no basis for your statement. You're assuming Broly is holding back a ton of power because Videl survived an attack from him. Realistically though, this isn't plausible to actually occur. Videl is many times weaker than a Super Saiyan, especially a Super Saiyan like Broly. Broly has been known and shown to hold back when fighting his opponents, but not to the degree where him closelining a human does not result in a knock-out. I would understand if this were another character like Piccolo or Trunks, but Videl surviving a hit like that without even being knocked-out is too farfetched. It's a mistake plain and simple.
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Videl was auditioning to. 1/2 of the Saiyan supreme crime fighting team. She had to tank if she hoped to ever get a costume like Gohan
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i actually see base gohan haxxed in movie 10 but not ssj or above super saiyan gohan.

with him being massively weaker in movie 8, and his dream to be as strong as his father, almost makes it seem as if gohan never accomplished his goal. They STILL needed to bring in goku to finish the fight, is it possible that the implications for not letting gohan finish out as a hero and be gokus replacement play out in this movie as well?

So many factors can play into this its ridiculous.

I actually am starting to think that gohan wouldnt need to be haxxed, if he really id continue to train like everyone originally believed, then he could easily reach the level of super saiyan he had achieved. If pyrus beliefs on the half saiyan power SSj should be in the boo saga, the since gohan was copied from that era it makes sensee for him to be that strong, unfortunately that also limits him to only being as strong as teen gohan, maintime line, post no training. Cause lets face it, main timeline gohan is a beast compared to this guy.

i always thought it was weird gohan performed so well against ssj broly, and despite any excuses he couldnt be at 100% power, broly is always at maximum.

LOL even more proof gohan might not have achieved his dream? Broly stomped him so bad he didnt even need to recharge.

Broly recharged 3 times to fight goku.
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Sep 12 2012, 02:44 AM
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Sep 12 2012, 12:51 AM
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Sep 12 2012, 12:49 AM
Who said Dragon Fist is an amp? We no virtually nothing about it.

Super Saiyan Broly would have to be deeply suppressed indeed. I must say though that it seems unlikely he would suppress himself so much just after awakening from a traumatic experience involving his hated rival, Goku.
1. We can't just assume it isn't, Base Goku > Super 17 > SSj4 Goku? Surely Toeiverse has an amp for the DF.
2. That's where you contradict yourself. He was in deep sleep until he heard Goten cry, surely after waking up his power isn't 100%.
The fact that SSjin 3 Goku basically tanked hits from Hirudegarn without much effect tells us that Goku himself is haxed, and not the Dragon Fist technique per se. Since it's established that Goku is haxed, the Dragon Fist technique is therefore most likely not a technique that amplifies the user's power to the degree you're suggesting.

There doesn't need to be any hax. Trunks cut Hirudegarn's tail off before Goku did any tanking, which I believe weakened him since it was shown that was how Hirudegarn "ate" people (try being at full power without your digestive system :p ). Goku also figured out Hirudegarn's weakness, so he had an advantage Gotenks and Gohan didn't have while they were fighting. He capitalized on his weakness and used a ridiculously overpowered (IMO) technique to finish the job. Just what I think.
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Again, no basis for your statement. You're assuming Broly is holding back a ton of power because Videl survived an attack from him. Realistically though, this isn't plausible to actually occur. Videl is many times weaker than a Super Saiyan, especially a Super Saiyan like Broly. Broly has been known and shown to hold back when fighting his opponents, but not to the degree where him closelining a human does not result in a knock-out. I would understand if this were another character like Piccolo or Trunks, but Videl surviving a hit like that without even being knocked-out is too farfetched. It's a mistake plain and simple.

I'd be fine with disregarding Videl's scene. Hirudegarn didn't show the ability to hold back or suppress his power, yet Videl survived a point-blank fire blast from him.
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Sep 12 2012, 04:44 AM
i actually see base gohan haxxed in movie 10 but not ssj or above super saiyan gohan.

with him being massively weaker in movie 8, and his dream to be as strong as his father, almost makes it seem as if gohan never accomplished his goal. They STILL needed to bring in goku to finish the fight, is it possible that the implications for not letting gohan finish out as a hero and be gokus replacement play out in this movie as well?

So many factors can play into this its ridiculous.

I actually am starting to think that gohan wouldnt need to be haxxed, if he really id continue to train like everyone originally believed, then he could easily reach the level of super saiyan he had achieved. If pyrus beliefs on the half saiyan power SSj should be in the boo saga, the since gohan was copied from that era it makes sensee for him to be that strong, unfortunately that also limits him to only being as strong as teen gohan, maintime line, post no training. Cause lets face it, main timeline gohan is a beast compared to this guy.

i always thought it was weird gohan performed so well against ssj broly, and despite any excuses he couldnt be at 100% power, broly is always at maximum.

LOL even more proof gohan might not have achieved his dream? Broly stomped him so bad he didnt even need to recharge.

Broly recharged 3 times to fight goku.

When did Broly ever recharge against Goku? He powered up once after destroying the team in "round 2," and then after one-shotting Vegeta.
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