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A Close Examination of Broly's Full Strength; Comparing the damages done to PC and Broly from the Z-Senshi
Topic Started: Aug 10 2012, 03:03 PM (3,806 Views)
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I'm going to start off with examining Vegeta in his short battle with Perfect Cell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy_GqBsg60o

Despite Cell absolutely tanking all of Vegeta's hits, at one point Vegeta managed to land a successful punch to blowback Cell a few feet. This same Vegeta (or a bit different in Movie 8) couldn't even manage to kick an RSSJ Broly and Broly noticing it. This same Vegeta also wasn't able to land a punch like this (maybe to Broly's chin which Broly's first reaction is to smile) while Broly tanked all the small Ki Balls Vegeta was launch, and proceeded to punch Trunks out of the way and 1-2 shot Vegeta with a clothesline, making Vegeta revert back to base. Keep in mind that even if Cell was just "warming up", Broly was toying as well. Hell Vegeta survived some sort of Kamehameha Cell has launched to a mountain a few minutes in. Keep in mind Vegeta has been to ROSAT at least once pre-this fight since we saw Trunks rage in to Super Saiyan 1 level 2 and 3. Down here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngmpen6uhY&feature=related

As we go to examine Trunks, if you pause at around 8:36 in the second video, you realize that he has the exact same hairstyle here

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Below is a pic of Trunks getting one-shot by SPC
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I would say Trunks is an USSJ2/Ascended Super Saiyan in Movie 8: Compare these two for one sec

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This Trunks was able to go head to head with Perfect Cell before noticing that his speed is slowly diminishing making him lose the fight. He got dominated by Broly.

This further proves that Vegeta and Trunks are all Post-Rosat once, at the least. There is a very strong chance they all went 2 Rosats, (that's what I believe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J9tjAmWB34

Now here we see Super Saiyan Gohan vs Cell. He's in the same exact clothes he had in Movie 8 along side the part of his cape that hangs around his neck. This Gohan got 2-3 shotted by Broly, but this Gohan also was able to go toe-toe with a partially FP Cell. The gap between FP Cell and what he used against Gohan or Goku doesn't matter because either way Broly was completely toying with the Z-Fighters. Keep in mind this is after Cell's Power-up against Goku. The only reason why Gohan wasn't able to completely battle Broly if Gohan was the strongest out of the Z-Fighters was because Goku was stronger then Gohan was in Movie 8, since Toei have Goku a bit of a bigger boost.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbtsjJHf0U


Now we are going to move to Goku vs PC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSpD9u05id4

Here we can all agree Goku and PC are almost the same. But one thing we can notice here is the Instant Transmission Kamehameha, despite the long charge Cell knew what was coming to him and didn't stop it. While Goku was charging his Kamehameha against Broly, he reacted the same exact way, Keep in mind Instant Transmission costs a lot of Ki, and one very good reason why Goku didn't use it against Broly was the matter of conserving the Ki and that he was already to beaten up to use it. Who is to say Goku didn't plan to borrow the energy of the Z-Fighters before announcing it? The Kamehameha starts at 7:29, Cell notes Goku was probably bluffing because this Kamehameha would "Destroy The Earth" 8:30 where Cell is completely obliterated from above the chest up.

Compare to here where Goku is completely struggling against Broly while the insane DBZ counterpart of Hulk is laughing his butt off charging small Ki Blasts while Goku is trying to block it while running. The Kamehameha starts at 1:13. Judging by the length of the Kamehameha's wave blocked by Broly's upper chest this is almost the exact same Kamehameha used on Cell, just that Broly's chest covered most of the reaction from the Kamehameha that has happeend in the Cell Saga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g6LOiAjRAM

I think Vegeta has the 2nd to 3rd Highest Power Level in this Movie. Only because Broly was owning Goku even when Goku absorbed Piccolo, Gohan, and Trunks power, and still getting his ***** kicked right until Vegeta gave his power, where Goku suddenly gained a huge ton of momentum. In this fluke of an ending I think Toei has used a multiplier with the power-up Goku has used right when he blocked Broly, if you look closely the aura looks reminiscent of the one used during Lord Slug.

I think it's safe to say that Goku's power-up had a 1.5-2x Multiplier of Goku's regular power before absorbing all the power. This multiplier is equal to all the power given. Broly is a bit more serious at this part though.

With Goku's boost in this movie (higher than Gohan) it's clear that:

Cell Games and Cell Saga:

Cell Games:
Gohan: SSJ Gohan full power-135.000.000.000
Perfect Cell full power-180.000.000.000
Perfect Cell 1st power up-108.000.000.000
Perfect Cell 2nd power up-144.000.000.000
SSJ2 Gohan: 270.000.000.000
SPC: 240.000.000.000.

SSJ Goku Full Power: 115,000,000,000
SSJ Vegeta- 72.500.000.000

Future Trunks-6.500.000.000
SSJ Future Trunks-65.000.000.000

Cell Saga:
Vegeta post rosat-360.000.000
SSJ Vegeta post rosat-9.000.000.000
ASSJ Vegeta-18.000.000.000
ASSJ Vegeta final flash-54.000.000.000

Future Trunks post rosat-330.000.000
SSJ Future Trunks post rosat-8.250.000.000
ASSJ Future Trunks-38.500.000.000
USSJ Future Trunks-49.500.000.000

Perfect Cell initial supression-36.000.000.000
Power Weighted Cell-42.000.000.000

Movie 8:

Future Trunks:
ASSJ: 62.000.000.000

Gohan:
SSJ FP: 133.000.000.000

SSJ Goku: 136.000.000.000
SSJ Goku (Kamehameha) 2.2x: 299 200 000 000
But this doesn't really make sense does it? With the 2.2x multiplier? I see it more around 144.000.000.000 - 180.000.000.000 because that would make a bit more sense..
SSJ Goku pre absorbing Vegeta's power: 170.000.000.000
SSJ Goku absorbing Vegeta's power: 205.000.000.000
SSJ Goku Toei Punch Hax: 270.000.000.000

SSJ Vegeta: 72.000.000.000

RSSJ Broly: Around 72-84
Fp: 138.000.000.000 (if you follow the Kai's analysis on him and Goku before Goku reached New Vegeta)

the thing is the multiplier is from RSSJ not from her FP
LSSJ Broly: At the least, I have him at 205.000.000.000 with what he displayed during the duration of the battle, at most i have him at 235.000.000.000

Now taking into account how SSJ Broly in Movie 10 = to LSSJ Broly Movie 8
And he has at least a 3.125 multiplier from SSJ to LSSJ in my books

LSSJ Broly Movie 10: 720.000.000.000.
FP LSSJ Broly Movie 10: 820.000.000.000
Omega Blaster: 1.600.000.000.000
Weakened Omega Blaster: 1.200.000.000.000

SSJ Gohan: 220.000.000.000 - 300.000.000.000
SSJ2 Gohan: 440.000.000.000 - 600.000.000.000

Family Kamehameha (Final Push where something cheesy happens to Gohan and Goku's hair): 1.500.000.000.000
Gohan + Goten Family Kamehameha: 450.000.000.000
Goku's addition: 750.000.000.000

Buu Saga:
SSJ Vegeta-150.000.000.000
SSJ Vegeta: (Majin): 187.500.000.000
SSJ2 Vegeta pre majin-300.000.000.000
SSJ2 Vegeta post majin-375.000.000.000

SSJ Goku-190.000.000.000
SSJ2 Goku-380.000.000.000
SSJ3 Goku: 1520.000.000.000

Mister Buu- 600.000.000.000
Fat Buu: 1.200.000.000.000

This may not be as accurate as you think
Edited by Sircum, Aug 11 2012, 10:42 PM.
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Trunks is ASSJ just like Vegeta in movie 8.

Its Goku > Vegeta > Gohan = Trunks = Piccolo in movie 8 as far as i can see it.

Point here is that Broly tanked kamehameha in his full power, while Cell was still heavy suppressed and equal to Goku which is logical reason Goku kamehameha > heavy suppressed Cell.


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Aug 10 2012, 03:23 PM
Trunks is ASSJ just like Vegeta in movie 8.

Its Goku > Vegeta > Gohan = Trunks = Piccolo in movie 8 as far as i can see it.

Point here is that Broly tanked kamehameha in his full power, while Cell was still heavy suppressed and equal to Goku which is logical reason Goku kamehameha > heavy suppressed Cell.


I have it at Goku > Gohan > Vegeta > Trunks /> Piccolo even though somehow Vegeta's Power Given to Goku was the game changer.
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IMO...

MSSJ Goku Movie 8 ~ MSSJ Goku Cell Games ; as everyone is equal to their counterparts except for Gohan.

LSSJ Broly (Movie 8) > Suppressed Perfect Cell (Possibly even 50%)
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Well i have Vegeta > Gohan because of one reason.

Toei preffers Goku and Vegeta over Gohan, and it looked like Vegeta is the one who is superioir in strenght.
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But Vegeta's initial attacks were tanked and when he finally rejoined the battle, he got 2-shotted. Gohan got destroyed, yes, but I'd put them on at least equal footing.
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I'll take a look at your post for real in a minute, but I thought you should know, Necifix already did this.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8230749/1/
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OK, just one thing. Trunks definitely didn't use his uber bulky form (Super Saiyan Grade 3) against Broly. Maybe Grade 2, and even that's a bit debatable, but he was nowhere near as buff in the movie as he was against Cell.
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Aug 10 2012, 07:35 PM
I'll take a look at your post for real in a minute, but I thought you should know, Necifix already did this.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8230749/1/
I know rofl, I posted there before :3
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Honestly I know I'll get hated on for this but I believe Broly's ki/energy and power level constantly rise while in LSS and that his body helps compensate by growing alot bigger when he transforms. In movie 8, there is a point where Broly says
"Growing stronger....yes much stronger" and then proceeds to let out energy in all directions. I believe he does this because even with his increased size his body can still only hold so much energy or it'd explode. So Idk if there is necessarily a set power level for Broly.



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By energy it's more meant by Ki in the Japanese version. But it does make sense if he grows energy. It's just not that likely.
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No his energy keeps refilling and it would over flow if he didnt expel the energy. His actual power level wasn't rising. He can't just sit perfectly still and reach SSJ3 or anything.
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Aug 10 2012, 08:12 PM
Honestly I know I'll get hated on for this but I believe Broly's ki/energy and power level constantly rise while in LSS and that his body helps compensate by growing alot bigger when he transforms. In movie 8, there is a point where Broly says
"Growing stronger....yes much stronger" and then proceeds to let out energy in all directions. I believe he does this because even with his increased size his body can still only hold so much energy or it'd explode. So Idk if there is necessarily a set power level for Broly.



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In japanese ( original version ) he says that his power is overflowing and than he relise his ki in shape of mini ki balls.

That means that his power is growing to his full power instead decreasing in battle like for other guys, but he has limit where he gets above his full power and neads to relise it.

So no, that fan made logic is only fan made logic about Broly breaking his limit and getting stronger all the time.
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I changed the power levels a bit.

Edit: and another thing to consider:


Honestly, I think even Goku knows Broly is a freak of nature. He told Gohan to leave after Broly posed a threat to Gohan, but Goku knew completely well that Gohan had enough power inside to fight Cell, heck Gohan said that he didn't want to leave Goku alone with Broly. Gohan is the exact same counterpart from the Cell Games, it's just that Toei knows that Goku should be the one to handle Broly because of the grudge Broly has, and that Goku is the real hero. This leads me to believe Broly is much stronger than FP PC, and really really close to SPC, in Movie 8. This is another fact that should be considered.

They instead had Gohan kill off Bojack in movie 9.
Edited by Sircum, Aug 11 2012, 11:12 PM.
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Broly was born with unlimited powers. It was him who had to learn to control it as it came but he was never given the chance to. It was held back from him to even understand the way it should have been but it was recognized the wrong way when he used it. The connection to Goku came because even though Broly never really let out his power in a way to use them ( like sensing other energy sources) it was natural that he still felt Goku's energy being that all Goku did was get stronger over the years & fight the strongest enemy & defeat them. I'm sure Broly natural felt everyone's energy, their power levels & if Good or Evil. The connection was this & much more...curiosity came in to play & wanting to know the truth led Broly down a dark road. All this also became his Nightmares. He was tired of thinking it through, he just reacted...

This is just my opinion, but I would like to know what you guys think on where I'm going with this.
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