Nagito Komaeda

Apr 6 2016, 09:28 PM

Personally, I thought he was really intimidating.

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Phenomenal acting by Andrew Lincoln, you could see the raw fear and anxiety in Rick's eyes, and his reluctance to kneel down before giving up and doing so was so powerful. Rick's been getting a bit too big for his boots recently, so seeing him utterly broken was intense.

As for Negan, he seems so non-chalant about everything, but you can tell that he's serious and powerful underneath that. The fact that he's got so many strong people who're completely loyal to him is frightening, and he's actually pretty similar to Rick and his group in a lot of ways. Negan took half of everything from the Hilltop with threats and violence, but Maggie came in and took advantage of the Hilltop's fear and took half of everything from them. So many times we've seen before that Rick's group goes after their attackers for revenge, even if they haven't suffered a loss in the battle. Negan's group, while really bad at first, were just retaliating later on, and they just want Rick's group to work for them, while Rick's group just wants all of their enemies dead. It's really interesting to look at the Saviors and compare them to Rick's group, who could've easily been just like the former if their circumstances were different.

Steve

Apr 7 2016, 09:39 PM

Honestly, I get why people might be upset but...this episode followed the exact same formula as always so I'm not sure what people expected.

Wouldn't be much of a cliffhanger if we knew what happened.

Anyway this episode was awful and I loved it, mostly. It was a bit slow but the tension was great and it done the job it was supposed to, leaving people wanting more.

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Now as for who dies...

Honestly, I was thinking Abraham. Either he's going to die or he's going to get a far more important role in the series, he's had a lot of screen time this season and a few emotional scenes.

I hope Eugene doesn't die, kind of taken a shine to his character. Feel like it'd be a waste.


Thought Negan was awesome personally. You don't need to swear a lot to be intimidating and badass.
In fact it's the characters who are all calm like him I find more intimidating, bat s*** insane isn't nearly as intimidating as stone cold calmness. Bane and Joker in the Nolan Batman movies were great for those reasons, though Joker was quite chaotic as well but he didn't lose his s*** every two seconds

They picked a damn fine actor to be Negan anyway, this dude doesn't get enough love.

Saiyajin Perfection

Apr 7 2016, 11:31 PM

Steve

Apr 7 2016, 09:39 PM

Honestly, I get why people might be upset but...this episode followed the exact same formula as always so I'm not sure what people expected.

Wouldn't be much of a cliffhanger if we knew what happened.

Anyway this episode was awful and I loved it, mostly. It was a bit slow but the tension was great and it done the job it was supposed to, leaving people wanting more.

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Now as for who dies...

Honestly, I was thinking Abraham. Either he's going to die or he's going to get a far more important role in the series, he's had a lot of screen time this season and a few emotional scenes.

I hope Eugene doesn't die, kind of taken a shine to his character. Feel like it'd be a waste.


Thought Negan was awesome personally. You don't need to swear a lot to be intimidating and badass.
In fact it's the characters who are all calm like him I find more intimidating, bat s*** insane isn't nearly as intimidating as stone cold calmness. Bane and Joker in the Nolan Batman movies were great for those reasons, though Joker was quite chaotic as well but he didn't lose his s*** every two seconds

They picked a damn fine actor to be Negan anyway, this dude doesn't get enough love.

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I'm not really complaining about Jeffery Dean Morgan as much as I'm complaining about the scene. The group was losing their sh*t, crying with fear clearly etched in their faces, and Negan wasn't acting abnormally violent; at least not like anything that they hadn't seen before.
In other words, he wasn't intimidating at all.
It would be completely different if they'd encountered him before, and seen him (beat someone to death with a bat), but they hadn't.
So to put it into perspective, they had no real reason to be so afraid of him at that point in time.

The entire scene seemed forced. Rick's sudden fearful demeanor where he'd always been fearless before, and been fearless in dicier situations to boot. The entire set up and feel of the scene simply was completely inconsistent with what we'd seen from Rick and his group before, therefore the entire feel of he scene didn't make a whole lot of sense.

As for the Eugene thing, I agree with you. I've liked his character for a while now, because he actually reminds e of the types of people that I used to hang out with.

As for Abraham (which seems to be the common conclusion currently), I don't agree.
I'm actually thinking Carl. The TV series is notorious for placing subtle clues in the episode for upcoming character deaths, and all the clues for it being Carl who gets Lucielle'd are there if you simply look for them when you re-watch it. It's not only physical appearances of objects, but cryptic lines and symbolic visuals or actions.
There's so many clues, you just have to look for them.

And considering they've diverted frequently from the comics before, people can't really use the "Negan doesn't kill women/children" and "Negan respects Carl in the comics" argument.

Steve

Apr 8 2016, 12:46 AM

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Yeah I don't think it's necessarily that Negan himself is intimidating just that this is the first time the group feels legitimately f***ed.

They have nobody nearby for backup, they're outnumbered, outgunned and completely at the mercy of these psychopaths that care not for a pregnant woman.
They're extremely vulnerable, for a long time, this season in particular they've felt they were the top dogs and now they've been reduced to whimpering pups in the face of an overwhelming disadvantage.


I doubt it's going to be Carl, there's no way they could support a story line with Rick after he would completely lose it.

Not to mention he said he'd take Carl's other eye out, if the count had landed on Carl he'd likely have said "Well, nevermind" or something signifying that Carl's number was up.

I don't think there have been any real clues hinting towards that, what do you mean Ketchup?
Everyone has had their flags, being happy, being called a survivor etc etc they're all prime bait for getting murdered.


I like how the whole Carol thing and Morgan killing someone have barely been mentioned if at all
Was quite underwhelming, seemed kinda obvious Carol wouldn't die there. Didn't really expect Morgan to kill though.

Irrelevant but y'know I really hate it in a show when clearly evil people b*** about someone having killed their friends, like anyone should feel sorry for them or that they didn't deserve it.

They're the person's friends yeah but it's always written like the killer/s should for some reason feel sorry for killing horrible people who threatened them in some way, as if they rightfully should have rolled over and died.

Saiyajin Perfection

Apr 8 2016, 02:21 AM

Saiyajin

 

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People say the line with the eye cancels Carl, but the reference of the comment was in regards to Rick, not Carl. He could still kill Carl, and as a punishment, feed dead Carl's eye to Rick. There's no evidence against this possibility because he never actually makes an indication that he hadn't chosen Carl

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Negan specifically says, "cut the boy's other eye out feed it to his father and THEN we'll start" though.

Edited by Dbzk1999, Apr 8 2016, 02:58 AM.

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Apr 7 2016, 11:31 PM

Steve

Apr 7 2016, 09:39 PM

Honestly, I get why people might be upset but...this episode followed the exact same formula as always so I'm not sure what people expected.

Wouldn't be much of a cliffhanger if we knew what happened.

Anyway this episode was awful and I loved it, mostly. It was a bit slow but the tension was great and it done the job it was supposed to, leaving people wanting more.

Spoiler: click to toggle

Now as for who dies...

Honestly, I was thinking Abraham. Either he's going to die or he's going to get a far more important role in the series, he's had a lot of screen time this season and a few emotional scenes.

I hope Eugene doesn't die, kind of taken a shine to his character. Feel like it'd be a waste.


Thought Negan was awesome personally. You don't need to swear a lot to be intimidating and badass.
In fact it's the characters who are all calm like him I find more intimidating, bat s*** insane isn't nearly as intimidating as stone cold calmness. Bane and Joker in the Nolan Batman movies were great for those reasons, though Joker was quite chaotic as well but he didn't lose his s*** every two seconds

They picked a damn fine actor to be Negan anyway, this dude doesn't get enough love.

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I'm not really complaining about Jeffery Dean Morgan as much as I'm complaining about the scene. The group was losing their sh*t, crying with fear clearly etched in their faces, and Negan wasn't acting abnormally violent; at least not like anything that they hadn't seen before.
In other words, he wasn't intimidating at all.
It would be completely different if they'd encountered him before, and seen him (beat someone to death with a bat), but they hadn't.
So to put it into perspective, they had no real reason to be so afraid of him at that point in time.

The entire scene seemed forced. Rick's sudden fearful demeanor where he'd always been fearless before, and been fearless in dicier situations to boot. The entire set up and feel of the scene simply was completely inconsistent with what we'd seen from Rick and his group before, therefore the entire feel of he scene didn't make a whole lot of sense.

As for the Eugene thing, I agree with you. I've liked his character for a while now, because he actually reminds e of the types of people that I used to hang out with.

As for Abraham (which seems to be the common conclusion currently), I don't agree.
I'm actually thinking Carl. The TV series is notorious for placing subtle clues in the episode for upcoming character deaths, and all the clues for it being Carl who gets Lucielle'd are there if you simply look for them when you re-watch it. It's not only physical appearances of objects, but cryptic lines and symbolic visuals or actions.
There's so many clues, you just have to look for them.

And considering they've diverted frequently from the comics before, people can't really use the "Negan doesn't kill women/children" and "Negan respects Carl in the comics" argument.