I got the impression they were watching them the entire time. The group Carol killed last episode was on their way to Alexandria, possibly to notify Negan of anyone leaving.

The fact they also managed to not only find the group in the woods, but also set up all the people and cars in the clearing suggests that they were being closely followed.

It made me a bit uncomfortable when Negan says "you're gonna pay" for killling his men, and he looks to the side and the camera sticks on Daryl. Daryl has killed the most saviors out of all of them iirc.

Agreed about the Negan's dialogue comment, but it really can't be helped. Negan is known for using the f-word basically every sentence in the comics. That's what made him seem so brutal and crazy. They can't exactly do that on AMC, so they're trying to make do with what they can say, and it just isn't working. So far though, I think he's great as Negan. He's imposing, a smart-ass, and he's got that killer smile. I think it could work. The ending was a massive disappointment for me though. I think they did it that way because Daryl is the one dying, and they didn't want to lose viewers before the new season starts. It's a possibility I guess. Either way, it's either Glenn or Daryl.

I'm not thinking Glenn or Daryl at all, I'm thinking more along the lines of Abraham or Carl.

Everything in the episode seemed to subtly hint at Carl; and it being Carl would be the ultimate punishment for Rick; so it makes perfect sense for it to be him.

The gun with Lucielle carved on it, the transition editing between Enid banging on the door of the closet during their argument and the guy getting beaten by the Saviors, the only walker seen by Rick's group during that time (aside from the ones tied together) was observed by Carl while it was walking toward the RV.

The line that the Savior said (several times) about telling those you love that you love them because it might be their last day on Earth, and Rick barely spoke to Carl the entire trip.

Negan asked Carl why he wasn't crying, and then he asked (the person he was about to beat) why they weren't crying. As well as the eye comment about feeding it to Rick.
People tell me that the eye comment is the reason why it wasn't Carl, but that indicates nothing, imo. You can still take someone's eye out after their dead and feed it to someone... also, Glenn's eye in the comics came out when he was beaten to death... just a few clues.

Also, I swear I heard Rick say "Carl" right after it cut to black.

I could be totally wrong, but I don't think they'd waste an iconic death like this on a secondary character, so I'm thinking it has to be someone really close to Rick. It would be sickening for it to be Carl, but it would drastically alter Rick's thought process, because he's been making some really stupid decisions lately imo. Attacking Negan's men with no real provocation. I can't say it's smart to declare war on a known psychopath without you losing something near and dear.

I get the feeling if Carl was the one who was about to die, there's no way Rick wouldn't jump in and attack Negan, he wouldn't be thinking about what would happen to himself. Also I'm not sure if a 14 year old(?) would be tough enough to stay concious after taking a barbed wire-covered bat to the head swung by a fully grown man.

I get the feeling it was Abraham. He's been getting a lot of screen time lately, he was talking about his future in the same episode, he's tough enough that I could see him withstanding the first hit, and he's just made up with Eugene.

I've also seen theories that even the writers hadn't planned on anyone yet, which is why they kept it ambiguous and they were going to see what the fans said first. I dunno how true that could be, but Carl's actor has stated even he didn't know who was killed (he might be lying of course)

Hot damn.

I don't think it's Rick, Carl or Glenn. Negan said he'd take Carl's eye out and feed it to Rick, iirc, so it can't be either of them.



I heard that they filmed two versions of the finale, one of them being the uncut version that's closest to the comic's dialogue. This episode was really intense, one of my favourites for sure. Not showing who it was at the end was just a way to build suspense and keep people talking throughout the whole of the Summer. If they'd showed who died, it would had a massive impact, but then it would've been kinda silent on the discussion part until S7 started up. This way, they can have one hell of an opening episode for S7 and keep people interested over the break.

That's actually the reason most people are pissed off with the finale, they sacrificed what could have been a great scene in order to have a cliffhanger and a blatant ratings grab for next season. Having such a huge break in between this scene and finding out who it happened to severely lessens the impact of it. Wasted opportunity, this could have this series Red Wedding event, which is something that kept people buzzing for an entire year. Doing it this way makes it feel really cheap.

Am I the only one who wasn't impressed by Negan in the slightest?

I haven't read the comics, but I know how he is in the comics, and I always envisioned him with a booming, gloating voice, but Jeffery Dean Morgan did none of this.

Without an eccentric personality, it makes it even harder for me to understand or even be convinced of the cult-like behavior from the Saviors.

I was expecting a badass Hannibal Lecter with an explosive voice, and a silver tongue smile, but instead we got a watered-down version of the Governor.

Oh, I already think he's way better than the Governor. But that could just be because the Governor annoyed the hell out of me.

Yeah, I didn't like them not revealing who died at the end..I feel it cheapened the death. I really don't think it's either Glenn, Daryl, Carl or Rick, I think it's either Abraham or Eugene. He already gave Rick the designs for making bullets, made his peace with Abraham and pretty much said goodbye and seemed like he knew he was going to die in the RV and was content with it. However, Abraham is so freaking tough that it makes sense for him to take the bat like that and try to act like it's nothing. I think, Glenn has been hinted at too much and obviously this whole season to the point where it's very predictable, I think Daryl is always too predictable with him not being a comic book character, but since he's been shot I don't think it makes sense for him to be spared just to be killed at the end. I don't think Rick or Carl get it because they're such big comic book characters and so much is left for both of them, that I think it would be a missed opportunity if either one were killed off. I also heard about that last scene being shot two different ways, it was first rumored that AMC was actually going to show the uncut version during the initial airing, but then have the reruns be the edited version. However, I think we all know that it'll probably just be on the DVD and that's fine.

I'm not huge on lots of bad language, but at the same time I also have the mindset of wanting a proper representation of a character. Like I don't like that language, but I want to see Deadpool to see how accurate of a representation it is.

Anyway, what was everyone's favorite and least favorite moments of this Season?


Also, I like this theory and it doesn't make Carol's sudden chance look like lazy writing.

Thoughts?

The Governor annoyed the hell out of me at the beginning and at the end, but not in the middle. In the middle, he was a pretty viscous villain.

The beginning simply because Andrea decided to bone him instead of distrust him, and the three episode fiasco with him before his assault on the Prison was annoying.

But at the same time, I've found Rick to be annoying lately. His dumb decisions are getting his own people hurt and killed, and it's not a good thing.

Negan doesn't seem intimidating at all, imo. At least not like in the comics. And I don't think he's more intimidating than Gareth, who was short lived, and decided to chow down on Bob.

Phenomenal acting by Andrew Lincoln, you could see the raw fear and anxiety in Rick's eyes, and his reluctance to kneel down before giving up and doing so was so powerful. Rick's been getting a bit too big for his boots recently, so seeing him utterly broken was intense.

As for Negan, he seems so non-chalant about everything, but you can tell that he's serious and powerful underneath that. The fact that he's got so many strong people who're completely loyal to him is frightening, and he's actually pretty similar to Rick and his group in a lot of ways. Negan took half of everything from the Hilltop with threats and violence, but Maggie came in and took advantage of the Hilltop's fear and took half of everything from them. So many times we've seen before that Rick's group goes after their attackers for revenge, even if they haven't suffered a loss in the battle. Negan's group, while really bad at first, were just retaliating later on, and they just want Rick's group to work for them, while Rick's group just wants all of their enemies dead. It's really interesting to look at the Saviors and compare them to Rick's group, who could've easily been just like the former if their circumstances were different.

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Phenomenal acting by Andrew Lincoln, you could see the raw fear and anxiety in Rick's eyes

Totally agree with this. It's not often we see Rick with actual fear in his eyes, so it was quite powerful to see.

And yeah, for me the most intimidating part of the whole scene/episode was their sheer numbers. The group had already killed what, like 10-15 of them? And they had what looked like 30+ people, all obviously willing to fight. Scary stuff.

I don't necessarily find Negan himself intimidating, but the saviors as a whole definitely are. The way they kept blocking off the road with more and more numbers, the way they started whistling in the woods to indicate that they'd caught the group and then getting surrounded by 50 of them.

The backlash on this episode has been huge. I'm seriously wondering what part of the writer(s) thought that the fans would honestly be happy with that ending.