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| Broly: Confronting and Discrediting the Lies | |
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| + Clearin | Jun 18 2012, 04:28 PM Post #16 |
 
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I know that Toei didn't literally place it there, but it makes sense for it to go there. Not a single DBZ movie actually takes place in canon, but it's always easier to place them into a canon spot in order to be able to use powers from the movie and relate them to powers from canon. Otherwise you'd never be able to get any real power rankings from them since all powers are made up by Toei and are separate for each movie. |
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Jun 18 2012, 04:36 PM Post #17 |
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Actually movie takes place during the short Saga IMO. Movie 1=Raditz Saga Movie 2=Vegeta Saga Movie 3=Namek Saga Movie 4=Ginyu Saga Movie 5=Frieza Saga Movie 6=Androids Saga Movie 7=Imperfect Cell Saga Movie 8=Perfect Cell Saga Movie 9=Cell Games Saga Movie 10=Great Saiyaman Saga/World Tourment Saga Movie 11=World Tourment Saga/Majin Buu Saga Movie 12=Majin Buu Saga/Fusion Saga Movie 13=Fusion Saga Toei follows the power levels of those sagas IMO. Its also supported. Movie 8 was Perfect Cell Saga. Was Goku MSSJ in the Perfect Cell Saga? No, right? So he is not in the movie but should be Semi MSSJ IMO. It was just never releaved so it can't be in the movie. Edited by xman019, Jun 18 2012, 04:37 PM.
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Jun 18 2012, 04:47 PM Post #18 |
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This thread is full of indescribable amounts of failure. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 18 2012, 04:54 PM Post #19 |
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And now you're just adding spam to it. Personally I think it is more than possible that Goku and Gohan have their mid-RoSaT strengths (although timeline-wise that would make no sense but Toei doesn't care about sense) however if you go with that then you'll never know just how strong Goku and Gohan are at this exact time, and thus you won't be able to fully estimate Broly's power, which means you won't be able to compare him to characters from canon/other movies. |
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Jun 18 2012, 04:59 PM Post #20 |
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Exctly. Toei worked on the episodes of Cell vs Trunks and Vegeta and when Goku and Gohan were resting. Toei has to work on the Cell Games episodes in order that the z fighters would be Cell Games levels in the ANime but Toei never even made the Cell Games when they worked on movie 8. Goku was probably Semi MSSJ. The Goku of movie 8 is similiar to the Goku who ate a pasta and this is Semi MSSJ Goku. |
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Jun 18 2012, 04:59 PM Post #21 |
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Most of his points were actually good except the Zenkai and Gohan not being SSJ2 in movie 10. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 18 2012, 05:06 PM Post #22 |
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I just checked and the Broly movie was released on March 6, 1993 5 days before this Toriyama had released the chapter of SSj2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell where Gohan fires a kamehameha back at Cell (Not the final battle, before Cell even spits out 18). So this was quite a few weeks after Toriyama had stated Gohan was stronger than Goku and all the other Cell Games powers in general, so Toei must have had this knowledge while working on the movie. |
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Jun 18 2012, 05:15 PM Post #23 |
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Wrong. Movie 8 was released between epsidoes 176 to 177. The movie was proposely released between those episodes for a reason. Toei doesnt follow the Manga anyway. They follow the Anime and if they never releaved it in the Anime so it cant be in the movie. For example Toei released movie 12 when SSJ3 Gotenks was releasved in the Manga but not when he was releaved in the Anime and thats why Gotenks was only SSJ since his SSJ3 was not releaved in the Anime. Hence movies are based on Anime NOT Manga. Goku was Semi MSSJ. If I follow by that logic so Goku should be 90,000 in movie 3 because Toriyama releaved the chapter when Goku arrived on Namek when Toei releaved movie 3 so no this is not working like that dude. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 18 2012, 05:21 PM Post #24 |
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How am I wrong? Those are the real release dates for the movie and the chapter I mentioned. Also Gotenks didn't need to turn SSj3 in that movie so it's not really proof of anything. The Broly movie was release 5 days after the chapter where Cell tried to blow up the Earth with a kamehaemha and Gohan threw one back at it to knock it away. That's just a fact. Whether or not Toei took the manga into account or not isn't known by fans.[/quote] |
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Jun 18 2012, 05:26 PM Post #25 |
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[/quote]It is. Toei uses fillers from the Anime because they follow Anime. Also I showed another proof like movie 3 and Goku on Namek. If I follow by that logic so Goku should be 90,000 in movie 3 because Toriyama releaved the chapter when Goku arrived on Namek when Toei releaved movie 3 |
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| + Clearin | Jun 18 2012, 05:32 PM Post #26 |
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It is. Toei uses fillers from the Anime because they follow Anime. Also I showed another proof like movie 3 and Goku on Namek. If I follow by that logic so Goku should be 90,000 in movie 3 because Toriyama releaved the chapter when Goku arrived on Namek when Toei releaved movie 3 [/quote]Keep in mind that Toei needs time to make the movies lol. Goku didn't even arrive on Namek until around the time the movie came out, the time his powerlevel was stated to be 90,000 was much higher. Also this is another case of trying to fit a movie into canon, movie 3 obviously doesn't take place in a universe where the Namek stuff happened, so maybe Goku got to Earth on time, saved everyone and thus his PL is a lot lower. Or maybe it just takes place nowhere and Toei just made whatever the heck they wanted and gave him a random powerlevel. While this works for movie 3 where powerlevels are given to us, in other movies you'd never be able to judge peoples powers, so the only way to debate movies with other movies/canon is to try and place it somewhere in canon imo. |
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Jun 18 2012, 05:37 PM Post #27 |
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Keep in mind that Toei needs time to make the movies lol. Goku didn't even arrive on Namek until around the time the movie came out, the time his powerlevel was stated to be 90,000 was much higher. Also this is another case of trying to fit a movie into canon, movie 3 obviously doesn't take place in a universe where the Namek stuff happened, so maybe Goku got to Earth on time, saved everyone and thus his PL is a lot lower. Or maybe it just takes place nowhere and Toei just made whatever the heck they wanted and gave him a random powerlevel. While this works for movie 3 where powerlevels are given to us, in other movies you'd never be able to judge peoples powers, so the only way to debate movies with other movies/canon is to try and place it somewhere in canon imo.[/quote]Movie 3 is Namek Saga IMO. And what do you mean much higher? It was 90,00 when he arrived on Namek and Movie 3 took place during Namek Saga when Goku was training this is why he got a power level of 30,000. |
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Jun 18 2012, 05:38 PM Post #28 |
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Keep in mind that Toei needs time to make the movies lol. Goku didn't even arrive on Namek until around the time the movie came out, the time his powerlevel was stated to be 90,000 was much higher.<br /><br />Also this is another case of trying to fit a movie into canon, movie 3 obviously doesn't take place in a universe where the Namek stuff happened, so maybe Goku got to Earth on time, saved everyone and thus his PL is a lot lower. Or maybe it just takes place nowhere and Toei just made whatever the heck they wanted and gave him a random powerlevel. While this works for movie 3 where powerlevels are given to us, in other movies you'd never be able to judge peoples powers, so the only way to debate movies with other movies/canon is to try and place it somewhere in canon imo.[/quote]Movie 3 is Namek Saga IMO. And what do you mean much higher? It was 90,00 when he arrived on Namek and Movie 3 took place during Namek Saga when Goku was training this is why he got a power level of 30,000. |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 18 2012, 06:00 PM Post #29 |
 
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This is just Pak covertly backing up his belief that the Zet Senshi in Movie 8 are weaker than their canon counterparts. It would just be too obvious if he only made a thread about that, so he copied down the rest of DBF's 2-year-old logic. How many times have some of you debated this with him, or seen him debate this with someone else? And how many times has he changed his view? You guys fell right for the bait. |
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Jun 18 2012, 06:04 PM Post #30 |
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But Cell Games levels never existed at the time of movie 8 and Anime is non canon and the levels of the Anime last seen was Semi MSSJ Goku. |
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