DragonBallFights

Jun 18 2012, 02:05 PM

Every forum on the internet has a thread about Broly beating Galactus and owning the universe. No, just no.

Before I get into this I just want to set the record straight for Broly fans that have consistently elevated Broly to statuses he’s never deserved. They’ve blamed his defeats on bull***** writing, they’ve used dub lines for evidence instead of facts, they’ve compared him to SSJ3 level, outright forged statements/lied about statements of Toriyama, stated Broly stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, and they’ve essentially established an annoying and repulsive cult of personality around this uninteresting and unimpressive character from obscure non-canon DBZ films. Time to nip it in the bud, but before I invalidate their repetitious fanfiction, let’s look at the score card-

Who was Broly able to beat?
Movie 8: Four SSJ (Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan) and a Namek (Piccolo).
Movie 10: A weak MSSJ that hadn’t trained for 7 years (Gohan, and barely), two SSJ kids (Trunks and Goten), Krillin, and a human girl (Videl).
Movie 11: Android 18...

Who was Broly unable to beat?
Movie 8: A SSJ (Goku) with the energy of three half dead base Saiyans and a half dead Namek.
Movie 10: MSSJ Goku (if he was even actually there) and Gohan (weak after not training for 7 years and exhausted from fighting Broly), and a SSJ child (Goten).
Movie 11A: Two SSJ children (Trunks and Goten) and Krillin.
Movie 11B: Pikkon and MSSJ/SSJ2 Goku.

Broly’s never beaten anyone even on par with MSSJ Gohan from the Cell Games. He’s beaten on weak SSJ-level characters and been beaten by them. He’s never beaten anyone SSJ2 level, let alone SSJ3 or SSJ4. He couldn’t beat any fusion character either. Now then, because Broly is non-canon, we can’t refer to the manga/comic to dispel Broly myths. What we can use is the original Japanese films as they would be the source material. Other cases don’t require checking dub lines for accuracy because only analyzing movements/actions is necessary. With that said, let’s dispel some non-facts.

Myth #1- Movie 8 takes place during the wait before the Cell Games.

Facts: False. This is never stated. This comes from both an attempt to fit the film into the canon timeline and a rumor that the original Japanese dub states that it took place during the 10 day waiting period. It’s not true, you can watch the original film with subs on and see for yourself. It doesn’t fit into the timeline at all and Broly fans spread this line to make Broly comparable to Perfect Cell. Well they can’t. Stop listening to what the Dragonball wiki says; it’s garbage.

Everything in the film points towards the Z-fighters as mid-ROSAT and not post; nobody is MSSJ, USSJ, or whatever. Goku and Gohan wouldn’t be in base form and Vegeta’s and Trunk’s muscles would be humongous. Gohan has the weakest showing in the film, which should tell you something.

Myth #2- Broly can destroy a galaxy / Broly is a galaxy buster.

Facts: No he can’t. That’s a *terrible* dub line that has since spawned countless kids with computers and YouTube access to spam the internet with Broly *****.

In the opening sequence-

1. We see the galaxy shown start to slowly darken bit by bit, not instantly disappear. It fragments, it’s not one-shotted. This is to demonstrate what will be brought up next (that the galaxy is under attack). Calling the blackening slow isn’t completely accurate, it does actually happen quickly to the viewer. This is because it’s an introduction to the enemy of the film and their threat. It’s established in flashbacks that Broly’s been attacking places since he was a child, making the length of the destruction in the decades range. The galaxy wasn’t destroyed by one attack; it was sped up for the viewer because we’re not going to watch a galaxy get torn up and wait ten years just to get to main story.

2. The line used in the opening sequence in the English dub states that the galaxy has been shattered by a Super Saiyan. The original Japanese states that the galaxy is under attack. Under attack, not shattered. It’s in the process of being destroyed, it’s not one-shotted.

3. In the dub King Kai says the South Galaxy is all gone. In the original Japanese he says the Galaxy “is being..." In other words it’s BEING attacked; it wasn’t hit with a galaxy-buster. If Broly destroyed the galaxy King Kai would have said “has been..." instead of “is being...". The fact that it’s present and not past tense proves the galaxy is still there.

4. Goku uses instant transmission to move through the galaxy. The fact that he’s moving around the galaxy is proof enough that Broly didn’t destroy it. We can see all the planets still around. The film takes place in the South Galaxy and the fights occur in the South Galaxy.

5. It’s just stupid. Broly never likely even used LSSJ until he fought the Z-fighters. That means you’d have to believe that he “busted” the galaxy as either a base Saiyan or SSJ. If you believe that, I have no words. Goku made Broly bleed twice before he went LSSJ. So unless you think Goku can bust a galaxy...

So yeah, he never busted a galaxy. That’s a series of bad dub lines. The original Japanese is fairly clear on what’s going on, and it’s sad to think that if Funimation had been just a little more faithful to the original content there wouldn’t be so much Broly diarrhea out there. The most Broly’s been seen to do is bust a planet. If Broly could bust a galaxy he would have done so instead of struggling to kill a worn down SSJ Goku with continuous punching.

Myth #3- Broly’s strength always rises / Broly will continue getting more powerful the longer he’s transformered.

Facts: One of the most annoying lines to hear in a debate. Broly’s power doesn’t rise forever. That’s stupid, it’s NEVER stated, and there’s no reason to take a single obscure line from the film and draw wild conclusions from that. Here’s what was said-

“My ki is rising... It’s overflowing!" Now where is it said his power always rises, or never stops rising? If Cell or anyone else in Dragon Ball said that, would you assume it was perpetual? No, you’d just accept that their power was rising. This just goes to show the lack of critical thinking involved in *****ing Broly. Did this EVER occur to Broly *****ers?

Seriously. Guess what happens as soon as Broly says that line- he flies up into the sky and fires off energy balls throughout the area. He was *releasing* energy while in apparent agony. Why would he do that? Probably because, you know, he was OVERFLOWING with energy. He has a limit to ki he can hold and when that limit’s reached he has to expel his excess energy. So Broly isn’t becoming SSJ4 level just by standing around and waiting for ki to build up; that’s not how it works and never has been.

Once again, I implore people to reevaluate that quote and take it with a grain of salt. Even if I’m wrong about his power level/strength not always rising, by how much does he grow in power and how quickly? The line is used once, only in the first movie, and never brought up again. Just think about. His ki grew too much for his body to handle and he had to expel it, then end. It never said he’d rival SSJ16 as long as he stayed transformed.

I mean come on. Every thread with Broly in the title eventually has some kid come in and say wild crap like “Well Broly could probably win as long as he stays transformed which would put him over Kid Buu at least and eventually could beat anyone from DBAF." Like, no, just no. Stop it. Broly’s won’t get stronger in the middle of a fight, stop bringing it up like it’s a feasible option.

Myth #4- Broly can blow a planet up with a basketball-sized attack, a huge feat.

Facts: While Broly can bust a planet with ease, using small attacks, it’s not a huge feat. The attack Frieza used to blow up Namek wasn’t big at all and he created it fairly quickly. This isn’t that bad of an example of ***** as it does show Broly can charge attacks quickly, however so can everyone else so it’s nothing special and should stop being used as a DBZ feat.

Myth #5- Perfect Cell lost his torso to Goku’s Kamehameha and Broly didn’t, so Cell < Broly

Facts: Ah yes, the Cell argument. Where to start...




1. The Goku that Perfect Cell fought was stronger than the Goku from movie 8 if you bother to try fitting this non-canon film into the canon timeline. Everyone is weaker than they should be. If anything, as stated earlier, it’s likely during Goku and Gohan’s ROSAT training and not after/during the Cell Games. Trunks and Vegeta have abandoned their ascended form and Trunks' hair is long, yet Gohan is a relatively weak SSJ and not a MSSJ. Goku was the strongest fighter and Gohan hadn’t surpassed him, so it’s not close to Cell Games levels at all.

Mid-ROSAT is the best place to put them. And regardless, it doesn’t matter because-

2. The Cell that Goku fought was highly suppressed and not even close to full power. I’d place Cell at a third of his full power when fighting 100% Goku, but that’s just me. Really it doesn’t matter because it’s purely speculation, but what isn’t speculation is that Cell never showed his true power until fighting SSJ2 Gohan.

3. Goku caught Cell by surprise when he used his instant transmission to get up in Cell’s *****. Broly walked right up to Goku waiting to get hit. And even if you want to argue that being surprised wouldn’t make you less resistant to an attack, then refer back to points 1 and 2.

Broly tanking a weak SSJ Goku’s Kamehameha means *****.

Myth #6- Goku absorbed the power of three SSJ and a Super Namek, making him SSJ5 level.

Facts: No. Just no. People that love Broly but hate thinking will use the 1+1 logic to elevate Broly to high-end status because they think it makes Broly so much of a threat that he got beat by a non-existant SSJ4/5/6/1234 tier Goku. Trunks, Gohan, and Vegeta were in their BASE FORMS when they gave Goku their energy. So four SSJs didn’t combine their powers with a Super Namek. Call it bad writing if you want, but Broly got beaten by SSJ Goku with the leftover power of three collapsed base Saiyans and Piccolo. Deal with it and stop making up crap.

Myth #7- Broly lost in movie 8 because Goku hit his weak spot / Broly’s stab wound was opened.

Facts: I actually made a video about this a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDV1LKcEc44

Goku didn’t open some stab wound. They probably didn’t even remember the attempted infanticide when planning Broly’s defeat in the movie. Goku hit Broly in a completely different area on his body. And if you look at Broly in movie 10 he’s got a bigass scar over his body from the hole Goku punched into him; if Broly had a wound from the attempt to kill him as a child he sure as hell seemed to have healed by the time of movie 8.

This point was completely made up by fans and is another attempt to write off Broly’s defeat. Sorry, he didn’t lose because of PIS; he lost because Goku was stronger.

Myth #8- Broly got stronger in movie 10 / Broly got a zenkai.

Facts: No evidence points to Broly getting stronger between films. Nor could Broly have gotten a zenkai as he was frozen for seven years. He was still scarred on his chest from Goku’s punch. While fighting MSSJ Gohan, Gohan mentions Broly is as much a monster as ever. He isn’t stronger. He’s the same as before in ferocity and/or in power.

Myth #9- Broly is stronger than a SSJ2 because he beat SSJ2 Gohan in movie 10.

Facts: No. Gohan was a MSSJ. A weak one at that that didn’t train for seven years. Even if he was a SSJ2 (he wasn’t), it wouldn’t have been an impressive feat because again he hadn’t trained for seven years and got much weaker than he was at the Cell Games. Gohan lost the ability to control SSJ2 with ease, and he wouldn’t have used it on Broly. There’s no proof Gohan was SSJ2 against Broly. No, video games don’t count.

On the other hand, SSJ Broly was getting punked by BASE Gohan even after being weakened from not training. Broly isn’t SSJ2 tier. He’s high-end SSJ tier.

Myth #10- Broly is SSJ3 level / Broly is (any) Buu level / Broly can beat Omega Shenron and/or SSJ4 Gogeta.

Facts: Broly couldn’t beat full power Perfect Cell. He probably couldn’t beat a MSSJ Gohan from the Cell Games. I’ll restate the record-

1. Lost to a beaten down SSJ with the power of three half dead BASE Saiyans and a Super Namek.
2. Lost to a SSJ child, a weak MSSJ that hadn’t trained for seven years, and (if he was really there) another MSSJ.
3. Lost to Krillin and two SSJ children.
4. Lost to Pikkon and MSSJ/SSJ2 Goku.

No he can’t beat Omega Shenron, GTFO.

Myth #11- Akira Toriyama said "_________" about Broly.

Facts: No he didn’t. He never said anything about Broly, he only designed him and left some comments on his design about not caring whether or not he has a tail in the films. He’s also not canon contrary to the rumor that Broly was specially designed by Toriyama; Akira designed most of the non-hero characters in the films and that’s it really.
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So yeah. I’m sick of seeing Broly’s name on every topic just because people want to ***** a crappy character. I actually saw a Broly vs Unicron thread. Seriously. Leave the fan fiction at the door, stop making crap up, and stick to the facts.

supersaqer

Jun 18 2012, 02:54 PM

DragonBallFights

Jun 18 2012, 02:05 PM

Every forum on the internet has a thread about Broly beating Galactus and owning the universe. No, just no.

Before I get into this I just want to set the record straight for Broly fans that have consistently elevated Broly to statuses he’s never deserved. They’ve blamed his defeats on bull***** writing, they’ve used dub lines for evidence instead of facts, they’ve compared him to SSJ3 level, outright forged statements/lied about statements of Toriyama, stated Broly stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, and they’ve essentially established an annoying and repulsive cult of personality around this uninteresting and unimpressive character from obscure non-canon DBZ films. Time to nip it in the bud, but before I invalidate their repetitious fanfiction, let’s look at the score card-

Who was Broly able to beat?
Movie 8: Four SSJ (Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan) and a Namek (Piccolo).
Movie 10: A weak MSSJ that hadn’t trained for 7 years (Gohan, and barely), two SSJ kids (Trunks and Goten), Krillin, and a human girl (Videl).
Movie 11: Android 18...

Who was Broly unable to beat?
Movie 8: A SSJ (Goku) with the energy of three half dead base Saiyans and a half dead Namek.
Movie 10: MSSJ Goku (if he was even actually there) and Gohan (weak after not training for 7 years and exhausted from fighting Broly), and a SSJ child (Goten).
Movie 11A: Two SSJ children (Trunks and Goten) and Krillin.
Movie 11B: Pikkon and MSSJ/SSJ2 Goku.

Broly’s never beaten anyone even on par with MSSJ Gohan from the Cell Games. He’s beaten on weak SSJ-level characters and been beaten by them. He’s never beaten anyone SSJ2 level, let alone SSJ3 or SSJ4. He couldn’t beat any fusion character either. Now then, because Broly is non-canon, we can’t refer to the manga/comic to dispel Broly myths. What we can use is the original Japanese films as they would be the source material. Other cases don’t require checking dub lines for accuracy because only analyzing movements/actions is necessary. With that said, let’s dispel some non-facts.

Myth #1- Movie 8 takes place during the wait before the Cell Games.

Facts: False. This is never stated. This comes from both an attempt to fit the film into the canon timeline and a rumor that the original Japanese dub states that it took place during the 10 day waiting period. It’s not true, you can watch the original film with subs on and see for yourself. It doesn’t fit into the timeline at all and Broly fans spread this line to make Broly comparable to Perfect Cell. Well they can’t. Stop listening to what the Dragonball wiki says; it’s garbage.

Everything in the film points towards the Z-fighters as mid-ROSAT and not post; nobody is MSSJ, USSJ, or whatever. Goku and Gohan wouldn’t be in base form and Vegeta’s and Trunk’s muscles would be humongous. Gohan has the weakest showing in the film, which should tell you something.

Myth #2- Broly can destroy a galaxy / Broly is a galaxy buster.

Facts: No he can’t. That’s a *terrible* dub line that has since spawned countless kids with computers and YouTube access to spam the internet with Broly *****.

In the opening sequence-

1. We see the galaxy shown start to slowly darken bit by bit, not instantly disappear. It fragments, it’s not one-shotted. This is to demonstrate what will be brought up next (that the galaxy is under attack). Calling the blackening slow isn’t completely accurate, it does actually happen quickly to the viewer. This is because it’s an introduction to the enemy of the film and their threat. It’s established in flashbacks that Broly’s been attacking places since he was a child, making the length of the destruction in the decades range. The galaxy wasn’t destroyed by one attack; it was sped up for the viewer because we’re not going to watch a galaxy get torn up and wait ten years just to get to main story.

2. The line used in the opening sequence in the English dub states that the galaxy has been shattered by a Super Saiyan. The original Japanese states that the galaxy is under attack. Under attack, not shattered. It’s in the process of being destroyed, it’s not one-shotted.

3. In the dub King Kai says the South Galaxy is all gone. In the original Japanese he says the Galaxy “is being..." In other words it’s BEING attacked; it wasn’t hit with a galaxy-buster. If Broly destroyed the galaxy King Kai would have said “has been..." instead of “is being...". The fact that it’s present and not past tense proves the galaxy is still there.

4. Goku uses instant transmission to move through the galaxy. The fact that he’s moving around the galaxy is proof enough that Broly didn’t destroy it. We can see all the planets still around. The film takes place in the South Galaxy and the fights occur in the South Galaxy.

5. It’s just stupid. Broly never likely even used LSSJ until he fought the Z-fighters. That means you’d have to believe that he “busted” the galaxy as either a base Saiyan or SSJ. If you believe that, I have no words. Goku made Broly bleed twice before he went LSSJ. So unless you think Goku can bust a galaxy...

So yeah, he never busted a galaxy. That’s a series of bad dub lines. The original Japanese is fairly clear on what’s going on, and it’s sad to think that if Funimation had been just a little more faithful to the original content there wouldn’t be so much Broly diarrhea out there. The most Broly’s been seen to do is bust a planet. If Broly could bust a galaxy he would have done so instead of struggling to kill a worn down SSJ Goku with continuous punching.

Myth #3- Broly’s strength always rises / Broly will continue getting more powerful the longer he’s transformered.

Facts: One of the most annoying lines to hear in a debate. Broly’s power doesn’t rise forever. That’s stupid, it’s NEVER stated, and there’s no reason to take a single obscure line from the film and draw wild conclusions from that. Here’s what was said-

“My ki is rising... It’s overflowing!" Now where is it said his power always rises, or never stops rising? If Cell or anyone else in Dragon Ball said that, would you assume it was perpetual? No, you’d just accept that their power was rising. This just goes to show the lack of critical thinking involved in *****ing Broly. Did this EVER occur to Broly *****ers?

Seriously. Guess what happens as soon as Broly says that line- he flies up into the sky and fires off energy balls throughout the area. He was *releasing* energy while in apparent agony. Why would he do that? Probably because, you know, he was OVERFLOWING with energy. He has a limit to ki he can hold and when that limit’s reached he has to expel his excess energy. So Broly isn’t becoming SSJ4 level just by standing around and waiting for ki to build up; that’s not how it works and never has been.

Once again, I implore people to reevaluate that quote and take it with a grain of salt. Even if I’m wrong about his power level/strength not always rising, by how much does he grow in power and how quickly? The line is used once, only in the first movie, and never brought up again. Just think about. His ki grew too much for his body to handle and he had to expel it, then end. It never said he’d rival SSJ16 as long as he stayed transformed.

I mean come on. Every thread with Broly in the title eventually has some kid come in and say wild crap like “Well Broly could probably win as long as he stays transformed which would put him over Kid Buu at least and eventually could beat anyone from DBAF." Like, no, just no. Stop it. Broly’s won’t get stronger in the middle of a fight, stop bringing it up like it’s a feasible option.

Myth #4- Broly can blow a planet up with a basketball-sized attack, a huge feat.

Facts: While Broly can bust a planet with ease, using small attacks, it’s not a huge feat. The attack Frieza used to blow up Namek wasn’t big at all and he created it fairly quickly. This isn’t that bad of an example of ***** as it does show Broly can charge attacks quickly, however so can everyone else so it’s nothing special and should stop being used as a DBZ feat.

Myth #5- Perfect Cell lost his torso to Goku’s Kamehameha and Broly didn’t, so Cell < Broly

Facts: Ah yes, the Cell argument. Where to start...




1. The Goku that Perfect Cell fought was stronger than the Goku from movie 8 if you bother to try fitting this non-canon film into the canon timeline. Everyone is weaker than they should be. If anything, as stated earlier, it’s likely during Goku and Gohan’s ROSAT training and not after/during the Cell Games. Trunks and Vegeta have abandoned their ascended form and Trunks' hair is long, yet Gohan is a relatively weak SSJ and not a MSSJ. Goku was the strongest fighter and Gohan hadn’t surpassed him, so it’s not close to Cell Games levels at all.

Mid-ROSAT is the best place to put them. And regardless, it doesn’t matter because-

2. The Cell that Goku fought was highly suppressed and not even close to full power. I’d place Cell at a third of his full power when fighting 100% Goku, but that’s just me. Really it doesn’t matter because it’s purely speculation, but what isn’t speculation is that Cell never showed his true power until fighting SSJ2 Gohan.

3. Goku caught Cell by surprise when he used his instant transmission to get up in Cell’s *****. Broly walked right up to Goku waiting to get hit. And even if you want to argue that being surprised wouldn’t make you less resistant to an attack, then refer back to points 1 and 2.

Broly tanking a weak SSJ Goku’s Kamehameha means *****.

Myth #6- Goku absorbed the power of three SSJ and a Super Namek, making him SSJ5 level.

Facts: No. Just no. People that love Broly but hate thinking will use the 1+1 logic to elevate Broly to high-end status because they think it makes Broly so much of a threat that he got beat by a non-existant SSJ4/5/6/1234 tier Goku. Trunks, Gohan, and Vegeta were in their BASE FORMS when they gave Goku their energy. So four SSJs didn’t combine their powers with a Super Namek. Call it bad writing if you want, but Broly got beaten by SSJ Goku with the leftover power of three collapsed base Saiyans and Piccolo. Deal with it and stop making up crap.

Myth #7- Broly lost in movie 8 because Goku hit his weak spot / Broly’s stab wound was opened.

Facts: I actually made a video about this a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDV1LKcEc44

Goku didn’t open some stab wound. They probably didn’t even remember the attempted infanticide when planning Broly’s defeat in the movie. Goku hit Broly in a completely different area on his body. And if you look at Broly in movie 10 he’s got a bigass scar over his body from the hole Goku punched into him; if Broly had a wound from the attempt to kill him as a child he sure as hell seemed to have healed by the time of movie 8.

This point was completely made up by fans and is another attempt to write off Broly’s defeat. Sorry, he didn’t lose because of PIS; he lost because Goku was stronger.

Myth #8- Broly got stronger in movie 10 / Broly got a zenkai.

Facts: No evidence points to Broly getting stronger between films. Nor could Broly have gotten a zenkai as he was frozen for seven years. He was still scarred on his chest from Goku’s punch. While fighting MSSJ Gohan, Gohan mentions Broly is as much a monster as ever. He isn’t stronger. He’s the same as before in ferocity and/or in power.

Myth #9- Broly is stronger than a SSJ2 because he beat SSJ2 Gohan in movie 10.

Facts: No. Gohan was a MSSJ. A weak one at that that didn’t train for seven years. Even if he was a SSJ2 (he wasn’t), it wouldn’t have been an impressive feat because again he hadn’t trained for seven years and got much weaker than he was at the Cell Games. Gohan lost the ability to control SSJ2 with ease, and he wouldn’t have used it on Broly. There’s no proof Gohan was SSJ2 against Broly. No, video games don’t count.

On the other hand, SSJ Broly was getting punked by BASE Gohan even after being weakened from not training. Broly isn’t SSJ2 tier. He’s high-end SSJ tier.

Myth #10- Broly is SSJ3 level / Broly is (any) Buu level / Broly can beat Omega Shenron and/or SSJ4 Gogeta.

Facts: Broly couldn’t beat full power Perfect Cell. He probably couldn’t beat a MSSJ Gohan from the Cell Games. I’ll restate the record-

1. Lost to a beaten down SSJ with the power of three half dead BASE Saiyans and a Super Namek.
2. Lost to a SSJ child, a weak MSSJ that hadn’t trained for seven years, and (if he was really there) another MSSJ.
3. Lost to Krillin and two SSJ children.
4. Lost to Pikkon and MSSJ/SSJ2 Goku.

No he can’t beat Omega Shenron, GTFO.

Myth #11- Akira Toriyama said "_________" about Broly.

Facts: No he didn’t. He never said anything about Broly, he only designed him and left some comments on his design about not caring whether or not he has a tail in the films. He’s also not canon contrary to the rumor that Broly was specially designed by Toriyama; Akira designed most of the non-hero characters in the films and that’s it really.
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So yeah. I’m sick of seeing Broly’s name on every topic just because people want to ***** a crappy character. I actually saw a Broly vs Unicron thread. Seriously. Leave the fan fiction at the door, stop making crap up, and stick to the facts.

Stop it, Pakl. You copied this from YouTube, and most of YT DBZ fans lack the full knowledge of the show.

supersaqer

Jun 18 2012, 02:54 PM

DragonBallFights

Jun 18 2012, 02:05 PM

Every forum on the internet has a thread about Broly beating Galactus and owning the universe. No, just no.

Before I get into this I just want to set the record straight for Broly fans that have consistently elevated Broly to statuses he’s never deserved. They’ve blamed his defeats on bull***** writing, they’ve used dub lines for evidence instead of facts, they’ve compared him to SSJ3 level, outright forged statements/lied about statements of Toriyama, stated Broly stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, and they’ve essentially established an annoying and repulsive cult of personality around this uninteresting and unimpressive character from obscure non-canon DBZ films. Time to nip it in the bud, but before I invalidate their repetitious fanfiction, let’s look at the score card-

Who was Broly able to beat?
Movie 8: Four SSJ (Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan) and a Namek (Piccolo).
Movie 10: A weak MSSJ that hadn’t trained for 7 years (Gohan, and barely), two SSJ kids (Trunks and Goten), Krillin, and a human girl (Videl).
Movie 11: Android 18...

Who was Broly unable to beat?
Movie 8: A SSJ (Goku) with the energy of three half dead base Saiyans and a half dead Namek.
Movie 10: MSSJ Goku (if he was even actually there) and Gohan (weak after not training for 7 years and exhausted from fighting Broly), and a SSJ child (Goten).
Movie 11A: Two SSJ children (Trunks and Goten) and Krillin.
Movie 11B: Pikkon and MSSJ/SSJ2 Goku.

Broly’s never beaten anyone even on par with MSSJ Gohan from the Cell Games. He’s beaten on weak SSJ-level characters and been beaten by them. He’s never beaten anyone SSJ2 level, let alone SSJ3 or SSJ4. He couldn’t beat any fusion character either. Now then, because Broly is non-canon, we can’t refer to the manga/comic to dispel Broly myths. What we can use is the original Japanese films as they would be the source material. Other cases don’t require checking dub lines for accuracy because only analyzing movements/actions is necessary. With that said, let’s dispel some non-facts.

Myth #1- Movie 8 takes place during the wait before the Cell Games.

Facts: False. This is never stated. This comes from both an attempt to fit the film into the canon timeline and a rumor that the original Japanese dub states that it took place during the 10 day waiting period. It’s not true, you can watch the original film with subs on and see for yourself. It doesn’t fit into the timeline at all and Broly fans spread this line to make Broly comparable to Perfect Cell. Well they can’t. Stop listening to what the Dragonball wiki says; it’s garbage.

Everything in the film points towards the Z-fighters as mid-ROSAT and not post; nobody is MSSJ, USSJ, or whatever. Goku and Gohan wouldn’t be in base form and Vegeta’s and Trunk’s muscles would be humongous. Gohan has the weakest showing in the film, which should tell you something.

Myth #2- Broly can destroy a galaxy / Broly is a galaxy buster.

Facts: No he can’t. That’s a *terrible* dub line that has since spawned countless kids with computers and YouTube access to spam the internet with Broly *****.

In the opening sequence-

1. We see the galaxy shown start to slowly darken bit by bit, not instantly disappear. It fragments, it’s not one-shotted. This is to demonstrate what will be brought up next (that the galaxy is under attack). Calling the blackening slow isn’t completely accurate, it does actually happen quickly to the viewer. This is because it’s an introduction to the enemy of the film and their threat. It’s established in flashbacks that Broly’s been attacking places since he was a child, making the length of the destruction in the decades range. The galaxy wasn’t destroyed by one attack; it was sped up for the viewer because we’re not going to watch a galaxy get torn up and wait ten years just to get to main story.

2. The line used in the opening sequence in the English dub states that the galaxy has been shattered by a Super Saiyan. The original Japanese states that the galaxy is under attack. Under attack, not shattered. It’s in the process of being destroyed, it’s not one-shotted.

3. In the dub King Kai says the South Galaxy is all gone. In the original Japanese he says the Galaxy “is being..." In other words it’s BEING attacked; it wasn’t hit with a galaxy-buster. If Broly destroyed the galaxy King Kai would have said “has been..." instead of “is being...". The fact that it’s present and not past tense proves the galaxy is still there.

4. Goku uses instant transmission to move through the galaxy. The fact that he’s moving around the galaxy is proof enough that Broly didn’t destroy it. We can see all the planets still around. The film takes place in the South Galaxy and the fights occur in the South Galaxy.

5. It’s just stupid. Broly never likely even used LSSJ until he fought the Z-fighters. That means you’d have to believe that he “busted” the galaxy as either a base Saiyan or SSJ. If you believe that, I have no words. Goku made Broly bleed twice before he went LSSJ. So unless you think Goku can bust a galaxy...

So yeah, he never busted a galaxy. That’s a series of bad dub lines. The original Japanese is fairly clear on what’s going on, and it’s sad to think that if Funimation had been just a little more faithful to the original content there wouldn’t be so much Broly diarrhea out there. The most Broly’s been seen to do is bust a planet. If Broly could bust a galaxy he would have done so instead of struggling to kill a worn down SSJ Goku with continuous punching.

Myth #3- Broly’s strength always rises / Broly will continue getting more powerful the longer he’s transformered.

Facts: One of the most annoying lines to hear in a debate. Broly’s power doesn’t rise forever. That’s stupid, it’s NEVER stated, and there’s no reason to take a single obscure line from the film and draw wild conclusions from that. Here’s what was said-

“My ki is rising... It’s overflowing!" Now where is it said his power always rises, or never stops rising? If Cell or anyone else in Dragon Ball said that, would you assume it was perpetual? No, you’d just accept that their power was rising. This just goes to show the lack of critical thinking involved in *****ing Broly. Did this EVER occur to Broly *****ers?

Seriously. Guess what happens as soon as Broly says that line- he flies up into the sky and fires off energy balls throughout the area. He was *releasing* energy while in apparent agony. Why would he do that? Probably because, you know, he was OVERFLOWING with energy. He has a limit to ki he can hold and when that limit’s reached he has to expel his excess energy. So Broly isn’t becoming SSJ4 level just by standing around and waiting for ki to build up; that’s not how it works and never has been.

Once again, I implore people to reevaluate that quote and take it with a grain of salt. Even if I’m wrong about his power level/strength not always rising, by how much does he grow in power and how quickly? The line is used once, only in the first movie, and never brought up again. Just think about. His ki grew too much for his body to handle and he had to expel it, then end. It never said he’d rival SSJ16 as long as he stayed transformed.

I mean come on. Every thread with Broly in the title eventually has some kid come in and say wild crap like “Well Broly could probably win as long as he stays transformed which would put him over Kid Buu at least and eventually could beat anyone from DBAF." Like, no, just no. Stop it. Broly’s won’t get stronger in the middle of a fight, stop bringing it up like it’s a feasible option.

Myth #4- Broly can blow a planet up with a basketball-sized attack, a huge feat.

Facts: While Broly can bust a planet with ease, using small attacks, it’s not a huge feat. The attack Frieza used to blow up Namek wasn’t big at all and he created it fairly quickly. This isn’t that bad of an example of ***** as it does show Broly can charge attacks quickly, however so can everyone else so it’s nothing special and should stop being used as a DBZ feat.

Myth #5- Perfect Cell lost his torso to Goku’s Kamehameha and Broly didn’t, so Cell < Broly

Facts: Ah yes, the Cell argument. Where to start...




1. The Goku that Perfect Cell fought was stronger than the Goku from movie 8 if you bother to try fitting this non-canon film into the canon timeline. Everyone is weaker than they should be. If anything, as stated earlier, it’s likely during Goku and Gohan’s ROSAT training and not after/during the Cell Games. Trunks and Vegeta have abandoned their ascended form and Trunks' hair is long, yet Gohan is a relatively weak SSJ and not a MSSJ. Goku was the strongest fighter and Gohan hadn’t surpassed him, so it’s not close to Cell Games levels at all.

Mid-ROSAT is the best place to put them. And regardless, it doesn’t matter because-

2. The Cell that Goku fought was highly suppressed and not even close to full power. I’d place Cell at a third of his full power when fighting 100% Goku, but that’s just me. Really it doesn’t matter because it’s purely speculation, but what isn’t speculation is that Cell never showed his true power until fighting SSJ2 Gohan.

3. Goku caught Cell by surprise when he used his instant transmission to get up in Cell’s *****. Broly walked right up to Goku waiting to get hit. And even if you want to argue that being surprised wouldn’t make you less resistant to an attack, then refer back to points 1 and 2.

Broly tanking a weak SSJ Goku’s Kamehameha means *****.

Myth #6- Goku absorbed the power of three SSJ and a Super Namek, making him SSJ5 level.

Facts: No. Just no. People that love Broly but hate thinking will use the 1+1 logic to elevate Broly to high-end status because they think it makes Broly so much of a threat that he got beat by a non-existant SSJ4/5/6/1234 tier Goku. Trunks, Gohan, and Vegeta were in their BASE FORMS when they gave Goku their energy. So four SSJs didn’t combine their powers with a Super Namek. Call it bad writing if you want, but Broly got beaten by SSJ Goku with the leftover power of three collapsed base Saiyans and Piccolo. Deal with it and stop making up crap.

Myth #7- Broly lost in movie 8 because Goku hit his weak spot / Broly’s stab wound was opened.

Facts: I actually made a video about this a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDV1LKcEc44

Goku didn’t open some stab wound. They probably didn’t even remember the attempted infanticide when planning Broly’s defeat in the movie. Goku hit Broly in a completely different area on his body. And if you look at Broly in movie 10 he’s got a bigass scar over his body from the hole Goku punched into him; if Broly had a wound from the attempt to kill him as a child he sure as hell seemed to have healed by the time of movie 8.

This point was completely made up by fans and is another attempt to write off Broly’s defeat. Sorry, he didn’t lose because of PIS; he lost because Goku was stronger.

Myth #8- Broly got stronger in movie 10 / Broly got a zenkai.

Facts: No evidence points to Broly getting stronger between films. Nor could Broly have gotten a zenkai as he was frozen for seven years. He was still scarred on his chest from Goku’s punch. While fighting MSSJ Gohan, Gohan mentions Broly is as much a monster as ever. He isn’t stronger. He’s the same as before in ferocity and/or in power.

Myth #9- Broly is stronger than a SSJ2 because he beat SSJ2 Gohan in movie 10.

Facts: No. Gohan was a MSSJ. A weak one at that that didn’t train for seven years. Even if he was a SSJ2 (he wasn’t), it wouldn’t have been an impressive feat because again he hadn’t trained for seven years and got much weaker than he was at the Cell Games. Gohan lost the ability to control SSJ2 with ease, and he wouldn’t have used it on Broly. There’s no proof Gohan was SSJ2 against Broly. No, video games don’t count.

On the other hand, SSJ Broly was getting punked by BASE Gohan even after being weakened from not training. Broly isn’t SSJ2 tier. He’s high-end SSJ tier.

Myth #10- Broly is SSJ3 level / Broly is (any) Buu level / Broly can beat Omega Shenron and/or SSJ4 Gogeta.

Facts: Broly couldn’t beat full power Perfect Cell. He probably couldn’t beat a MSSJ Gohan from the Cell Games. I’ll restate the record-

1. Lost to a beaten down SSJ with the power of three half dead BASE Saiyans and a Super Namek.
2. Lost to a SSJ child, a weak MSSJ that hadn’t trained for seven years, and (if he was really there) another MSSJ.
3. Lost to Krillin and two SSJ children.
4. Lost to Pikkon and MSSJ/SSJ2 Goku.

No he can’t beat Omega Shenron, GTFO.

Myth #11- Akira Toriyama said "_________" about Broly.

Facts: No he didn’t. He never said anything about Broly, he only designed him and left some comments on his design about not caring whether or not he has a tail in the films. He’s also not canon contrary to the rumor that Broly was specially designed by Toriyama; Akira designed most of the non-hero characters in the films and that’s it really.
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So yeah. I’m sick of seeing Broly’s name on every topic just because people want to ***** a crappy character. I actually saw a Broly vs Unicron thread. Seriously. Leave the fan fiction at the door, stop making crap up, and stick to the facts.

Stop it, Pakl. You copied this from YouTube, and most of YT DBZ fans lack the full knowledge of the show.

Son Gohan

Jun 18 2012, 03:30 PM

Gohan is SSj2 in M10, rendering your logic useless.

Gohan Movies 9 and 10 sketches
Gohan in Movie 10
Toriyama's Concept Art of Broly

Secondly, the fact that Gohan can go SSj proves that M8 is before the Cell Games. And Goku and Gohan are obviously MSSj, the hair is lighter, the skin is paler.

Thirdly, as for Movie 8, Broli beat one USSj, one ASSj, and 2 MSSj's.

Fourthly, you don't even have to go by the drawings to tell Gohan is SSj2, just logic; he says that he powered up since the last time he saw Broli, which can be interpreted two ways: he trained for the 7 yrs, or he unlocked SSj2.

Here, read this, educate yourself.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8230749/1/?x=90

Fifthly, LOL how the ***** do you not have Broli getting a zenkai? Gohan stated he got stronger since the last time he saw Broli (meaning he either trained in the 7 yrs or unlocked SSj2) and Broli dominated him.



This thread is such fail.

xman019

Jun 18 2012, 03:46 PM

Son Gohan

Jun 18 2012, 03:30 PM

Gohan is SSj2 in M10, rendering your logic useless.

Gohan Movies 9 and 10 sketches
Gohan in Movie 10
Toriyama's Concept Art of Broly

Secondly, the fact that Gohan can go SSj proves that M8 is before the Cell Games. And Goku and Gohan are obviously MSSj, the hair is lighter, the skin is paler.

Thirdly, as for Movie 8, Broli beat one USSj, one ASSj, and 2 MSSj's.

Fourthly, you don't even have to go by the drawings to tell Gohan is SSj2, just logic; he says that he powered up since the last time he saw Broli, which can be interpreted two ways: he trained for the 7 yrs, or he unlocked SSj2.

Here, read this, educate yourself.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8230749/1/?x=90

Fifthly, LOL how the ***** do you not have Broli getting a zenkai? Gohan stated he got stronger since the last time he saw Broli (meaning he either trained in the 7 yrs or unlocked SSj2) and Broli dominated him.



This thread is such fail.

Yes he was a SSJ2 but you are wrong the Z fighters were weaker in movie 8. Toei started to work on Movie 8 when Goku and Gohan were in the Rosat and Gohan had his Androids Saga outfit not the Cell Games outfit since Toei worked on the movie when Goku and Gohan were still in the Rosat. Goku was Semi MSSJ. MSSJ Goku never existed by the time Toei worked on movie 8 since he was not releaved in the Manga. Gohan was not MSSJ derp. Toei had no idea Gohan was stronger than Goku and that he even had MSSJ considering the fact that Toei itself never even releaved MSSJ Goku at the time they worked on movie 8 so yes they were weaker it's a fact and that still doesnt change the fact that Perfect Cell=Base Hatchiyack>Movie 8 LSSJ Broly and wrong the fact that he said he had powered up from movie 8 proves the z fighter were weaker in movie not because he trained. thats just you making it up to deny the truth of the Z fighters being weaker in movie 8. If Gohan trained so how come he had to be angry to go SSJ2, knew Videl and couldn't go SSJ2 when he was tired while Goku and Vegeta when were tired were able to go SSJ2? Anyway:
SSJ2 Goku>Movie 10 LSSJ Broly>=SPC>>Perfect Cell=Base Hatchiyack>Movie 8 LSSJ Broly>Suppressed Perfect Cell.

Also just cos he was a SSJ doesnt mean anything. Toei started to work on movie 8 when Goku and Gohan were in the Rosat so Gohan was a SSJ by the time they started to work on the movie. In movie 4 Goku is on earth but should be on Namek so I guess movie 4 was because he went to Namek even though Movie 4 is based on Goku of the Ginyu Arc.

Son Gohan

Jun 18 2012, 03:30 PM

Gohan is SSj2 in M10, rendering your logic useless.

Gohan Movies 9 and 10 sketches
Gohan in Movie 10
Toriyama's Concept Art of Broly

Secondly, the fact that Gohan can go SSj proves that M8 is before the Cell Games. And Goku and Gohan are obviously MSSj, the hair is lighter, the skin is paler.

Thirdly, as for Movie 8, Broli beat one USSj, one ASSj, and 2 MSSj's.

Fourthly, you don't even have to go by the drawings to tell Gohan is SSj2, just logic; he says that he powered up since the last time he saw Broli, which can be interpreted two ways: he trained for the 7 yrs, or he unlocked SSj2.

Here, read this, educate yourself.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8230749/1/?x=90

Fifthly, LOL how the ***** do you not have Broli getting a zenkai? Gohan stated he got stronger since the last time he saw Broli (meaning he either trained in the 7 yrs or unlocked SSj2) and Broli dominated him.



This thread is such fail.

supersaqer

Jun 18 2012, 03:50 PM

xman019

Jun 18 2012, 03:46 PM

Son Gohan

Jun 18 2012, 03:30 PM

Gohan is SSj2 in M10, rendering your logic useless.

Gohan Movies 9 and 10 sketches
Gohan in Movie 10
Toriyama's Concept Art of Broly

Secondly, the fact that Gohan can go SSj proves that M8 is before the Cell Games. And Goku and Gohan are obviously MSSj, the hair is lighter, the skin is paler.

Thirdly, as for Movie 8, Broli beat one USSj, one ASSj, and 2 MSSj's.

Fourthly, you don't even have to go by the drawings to tell Gohan is SSj2, just logic; he says that he powered up since the last time he saw Broli, which can be interpreted two ways: he trained for the 7 yrs, or he unlocked SSj2.

Here, read this, educate yourself.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8230749/1/?x=90

Fifthly, LOL how the ***** do you not have Broli getting a zenkai? Gohan stated he got stronger since the last time he saw Broli (meaning he either trained in the 7 yrs or unlocked SSj2) and Broli dominated him.



This thread is such fail.

Yes he was a SSJ2 but you are wrong the Z fighters were weaker in movie 8. Toei started to work on Movie 8 when Goku and Gohan were in the Rosat and Gohan had his Androids Saga outfit not the Cell Games outfit since Toei worked on the movie when Goku and Gohan were still in the Rosat. Goku was Semi MSSJ. MSSJ Goku never existed by the time Toei worked on movie 8 since he was not releaved in the Manga. Gohan was not MSSJ derp. Toei had no idea Gohan was stronger than Goku and that he even had MSSJ considering the fact that Toei itself never even releaved MSSJ Goku at the time they worked on movie 8 so yes they were weaker it's a fact and that still doesnt change the fact that Perfect Cell=Base Hatchiyack>Movie 8 LSSJ Broly and wrong the fact that he said he had powered up from movie 8 proves the z fighter were weaker in movie not because he trained. thats just you making it up to deny the truth of the Z fighters being weaker in movie 8. If Gohan trained so how come he had to be angry to go SSJ2, knew Videl and couldn't go SSJ2 when he was tired while Goku and Vegeta when were tired were able to go SSJ2? Anyway:
SSJ2 Goku>Movie 10 LSSJ Broly>=SPC>>Perfect Cell=Base Hatchiyack>Movie 8 LSSJ Broly>Suppressed Perfect Cell.

Also just cos he was a SSJ doesnt mean anything. Toei started to work on movie 8 when Goku and Gohan were in the Rosat so Gohan was a SSJ by the time they started to work on the movie. In movie 4 Goku is on earth but should be on Namek so I guess movie 4 was because he went to Namek even though Movie 4 is based on Goku of the Ginyu Arc.

DragonBallFights is Xman019. He wanted to reply on Son Gohan's post, and by accident, he replied as Xman019. This is a one obvious reason to know that Xman019 is DragonBallFights. We got you this time ************.

Super Vegetto

Jun 18 2012, 03:50 PM

Son Gohan

Jun 18 2012, 03:30 PM

Gohan is SSj2 in M10, rendering your logic useless.

Gohan Movies 9 and 10 sketches
Gohan in Movie 10
Toriyama's Concept Art of Broly

Secondly, the fact that Gohan can go SSj proves that M8 is before the Cell Games. And Goku and Gohan are obviously MSSj, the hair is lighter, the skin is paler.

Thirdly, as for Movie 8, Broli beat one USSj, one ASSj, and 2 MSSj's.

Fourthly, you don't even have to go by the drawings to tell Gohan is SSj2, just logic; he says that he powered up since the last time he saw Broli, which can be interpreted two ways: he trained for the 7 yrs, or he unlocked SSj2.

Here, read this, educate yourself.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8230749/1/?x=90

Fifthly, LOL how the ***** do you not have Broli getting a zenkai? Gohan stated he got stronger since the last time he saw Broli (meaning he either trained in the 7 yrs or unlocked SSj2) and Broli dominated him.



This thread is such fail.

Broly beats 2 ASSJ and 2 MSSJ. There is no USSJ.




Sketch and movie say that he got stronger ( Zenkai ).

Super Vegetto

Jun 18 2012, 04:00 PM

Did i said that they are weaker ? xD

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Myth #1- Movie 8 takes place during the wait before the Cell Games.

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Myth #5- Perfect Cell lost his torso to Goku’s Kamehameha and Broly didn’t, so Cell < Broly

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Myth #8- Broly got stronger in movie 10 / Broly got a zenkai.

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Myth #9- Broly is stronger than a SSJ2 because he beat SSJ2 Gohan in movie 10.

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Myth #10- Broly is SSJ3 level / Broly is (any) Buu level / Broly can beat Omega Shenron and/or SSJ4 Gogeta.

Teen GohanZ

Jun 18 2012, 04:10 PM

I agree and disgaree with a lot of these points.

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Myth #1- Movie 8 takes place during the wait before the Cell Games.

Disagree with this, movie 8 must take place before the Cell games or after the Cell games in a universe where Goku didn't die to Cell, the former seems more likely imo.

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Myth #5- Perfect Cell lost his torso to Goku’s Kamehameha and Broly didn’t, so Cell < Broly

I kinda agree with this one, in the sense that I do think using this as evidence for Cell being weaker than Broly is wrong. But I do think that Broly is stronger than the suppressed Cell that Goku was fighting at least.

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Myth #8- Broly got stronger in movie 10 / Broly got a zenkai.

Disagree with this. I think he got a zenkai.

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Myth #9- Broly is stronger than a SSJ2 because he beat SSJ2 Gohan in movie 10.

Gohan was SSj2, Toei said so.

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Myth #10- Broly is SSJ3 level / Broly is (any) Buu level / Broly can beat Omega Shenron and/or SSJ4 Gogeta.

Movie 8 Broly I agree with. But movie 10 LSSj Broly is stronger than a SSj2 Gohan whose base was stronger than the SSj kids, which depending on if Toei nerfed the kids or haxed Gohan could make Broly extremely powerful. Not on GT tier, but a minimum of Mr Buu tier imo.

That's just what I think. I feel like Broly is overrated and underrated at the same time, by different people.