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Why people says that Majin Vegeta is a bit above Kid Gohan and SPC ?
Topic Started: Jun 16 2012, 01:44 PM (2,122 Views)
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That translation is the absolute worst.

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Jun 16 2012, 02:29 PM
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”
So then back to the topic Goku thought that he trained considerably in thr afterlife but he was suprised that Vegeta was able to match him , so he at least surpass his MSSjin (cell games) in base and you say that Vegeta is only a bit stronger than SSjin 2 Kid Gohan .
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Vegeta compered Goku with Gohan that killed Cell. Who knows how much power Gohan relised in that moment.
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Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P2.3
Context: as Vegeta fights Boo
Piccolo: “He’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…”

Piccolo is a more impartial source imo. He thinks that Vegeta is "perhaps" above Gohan, meaning that they are close enough that the gap is difficult to judge.
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Yea the thing i dont understand.

Vegeta says that Gohan had a lot more power against Cell. On ship he says that Gohan is under him and Goku ( he though that Goku is weaker than him ), but he mentioned that Gohans frenzy mode could probably surpass them both.

So we get SSJ2 Gohan on world tournament ( not enraged aka not drawing strenght from anger ).

Vegeta compered Goku to Gohans relised power to destroy SPC.

Piccolo compered Vegeta to Gohan that fought Cell ( not destroyed him ) and he doesnt see much diffrence.


So we get : SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta => SSJ2 Kid Gohan ( killing Cell ) = 100% SSJ2 Gohan ( enraged ) > SSJ2 Vegeta >= SSJ2 Teen Gohan ( enraged ) > SSJ2 Teen Gohan.

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so Vegeta after 7 years of training in the Gravity room and after the Majin power up he barely above SSjin 2 Kid Gohan who just train 1 year in the Rosat that doesn't make sense .
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Its not even stated that Vegeta trained 7 years. As far as i remeber Vegeta said that he will never fight again.
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Jun 16 2012, 03:19 PM
Its not even stated that Vegeta trained 7 years. As far as i remeber Vegeta said that he will never fight again.
I remember that Bulma said to someone in the Budokai that Vegeta trains hard as he could during the last 5 years .
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Jun 16 2012, 03:10 PM
so Vegeta after 7 years of training in the Gravity room and after the Majin power up he barely above SSjin 2 Kid Gohan who just train 1 year in the Rosat that doesn't make sense .
Think about how big the gap was between Gohan and Vegeta during the Cell Games. Imo people put Gohan and Goku to close in power at that time...even though Gohan pretty much thought he was garbage. Also as Vegetto said, Vegeta did not train for all 7 years...no one knows how long he stopped fighting/training.

EDIT: Is that right? He trained 5 years? I dont remember that being said.
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DeMon PrinCe
Jun 16 2012, 03:10 PM
so Vegeta after 7 years of training in the Gravity room and after the Majin power up he barely above SSjin 2 Kid Gohan who just train 1 year in the Rosat that doesn't make sense .
Think about how big the gap was between Gohan and Vegeta during the Cell Games. Imo people put Gohan and Goku to close in power at that time...even though Gohan pretty much thought he was garbage. Also as Vegetto said, Vegeta did not train for all 7 years...no one knows how long he stopped fighting/training.
Bulma says in the Manga that Vegeta did train the last 5 years I may be wrong though ...
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I dont have any evidence to prove something, but going by plot purpouse Vegeta ( Second time in Rosat ) was still no where near Gokus level.

Gohan trained for 3 years outside with Goku and Piccolo, yet he didnt get boost like in Rosat.

Vegeta trained for 3 years in gravity room ( 300x gravity ) yet he still didnt had huge gap with Goku.

So from this we get plot purpouse, because i dont see any other way.


Btw i think its only mentioned in anime that Vegeta trained 5 years, and didnt trained 2 year after Cell games.
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I think Vegeta just needed time to realize that Gohan was the measuring stick now that Goku was gone , I'm sure that he surpassed Gohan at the Budokai .
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DeMon PrinCe
Jun 16 2012, 03:35 PM
I think Vegeta just needed time to realize that Gohan was the measuring stick now that Goku was gone , I'm sure that he surpassed Gohan at the Budokai .
Not sure. In manga he mentioned how they had big gap before, but now that he did training all the time and Gohan getting soft in this peace times he belived that he is stronger than Gohan.

Later he says that Gohans rage like in Cell games could surpass him and Goku ( not knowing that Goku is already > Gohan ).

But ofc you can still have Vegeta stronger. I dont see any contradiction that says that he is weaker than him.

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I don't think Vegeta trained for seven straight years.

Didn't he say he was giving up fighting right after Cell was killed?

''I'll never fight again.''

He probably regained his composure later.
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Jun 16 2012, 04:01 PM
I don't think Vegeta trained for seven straight years.

Didn't he say he was giving up fighting right after Cell was killed?

''I'll never fight again.''

He probably regained his composure later.
Vegeta decides to train Trunks and make him the strongest among the Z fighters that from what i heard and OFC he also decides to surpass Gohan cuz of his pride .
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