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| SpCell and Majin Vegeta vs ssj2 kid Gohan and ssj2 Goku | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 7 2012, 08:00 PM (641 Views) | |
| yoyepo | Jun 7 2012, 08:00 PM Post #1 |
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Considering strength levels, strategy, coordination, techniques, etc. which side do you believe wins this group battle? |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 7 2012, 08:05 PM Post #2 |
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Hmm if goku really wanted to win then his team, would win Kid gohan takes cell duh And one IT kamehameha kills vegeta |
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| Ryuuzaki | Jun 7 2012, 08:16 PM Post #3 |
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Majin Vegeta = Goku SSJ2 Kid Gohan SSJ2 win against SPC after a hard battle , i guess. In the end , Goku SSJ2 and Kid Gohan SSJ2 > Majin Vegeta. |
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Jun 7 2012, 08:27 PM Post #4 |
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I think Cell/Vegeta could pull it off. SPC > SSJ2 Kid Gohan SSJ2 Goku ~ Majin Vegeta |
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| Ryuuzaki | Jun 7 2012, 08:42 PM Post #5 |
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Why you belive SPC > Gohan SSJ2 ? Because in anime Cell said that ? Manga is better , i read managa and i don't see any quote to say SPC > SSJ2 Gohan. In manga looks like Gohan is still superior. Father and son win this battle. Probably Majin Vegeta kill Cell before the fight begin. |
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Jun 7 2012, 08:46 PM Post #6 |
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How does Gohan look superior in the manga when he says that there's no hope...? Cell is also confident about beating SSJ2 Gohan. This is all from the manga. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 7 2012, 08:47 PM Post #7 |
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This. Exactly this. Kid Gohan is the weakest here imo. |
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| Ryuuzaki | Jun 7 2012, 08:52 PM Post #8 |
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Jun 7 2012, 08:54 PM Post #9 |
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ssj2 kid Gohan and ssj2 Goku > SpCell and Majin Vegeta SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Kid Gohan ( enraged ) > SPC |
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Jun 7 2012, 09:05 PM Post #10 |
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It's never stated that Gohan > SPC either, lol. I put SPC > Gohan due to the evidence from the manga. |
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Jun 7 2012, 09:18 PM Post #11 |
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Well i have Dabura = SPC and Gohan says that his best now is not enough to beat him. Its like he says that he can beat SPC if he is not damaged but i dont mind if you have SPC > Gohan. |
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| yoyepo | Jun 7 2012, 10:52 PM Post #12 |
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gohan never said he could beat spcell if not damaged to my knowledge he said even his best couldn't beat cell and was shocked at cell's increase in power spcell said he received a zenkai and massively powered up like gohan spcell took out gohan's arm with a ki blast piccolo said cell's ki was larger in the beam struggle gohan released his massive hidden power to defeat cell. hence why in buu saga goku says there's noone he can't beat when he gets mad enough and vegeta says he's stronger than gohan, but there's no telling how strong gohan would be if he got angry, since vegeta saw firsthand how strong gohan truly was daizenshuu specifically says spcell's powerlevel rivals gohan ssj2. They are likely around equal. Please consider ALL the characters' stats Goku - guidance with gohan releasing power. cell- genius with battle strategies. combat experience on the teams. that kind of stuff strength isn't the only thing that wins a battle. Especially not in a tag team with characters that nearly match at these levels we should probably stick to numbers out of 100 My opinion- vegeta and cell win 60/100 because of battle experience and smarts. they r both great warriors and one solar flair from cell could allow majin vegeta and spcell to take out ssj2 gohan, their weaker fighter, and double team goku. on the flip side, cell's regen makes the same thing much more difficult for the other team. in a battle with an equally strong but tactical warrior such as spcell, i see gohan losing without unleashing his hidden power. but if goku can get gohan to unlock these powers, I see the goku and gohan team stomping. and no, goku cannot go ssj3 after seeing gohan die. not a scenario for this |
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Jun 7 2012, 11:00 PM Post #13 |
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Strenght and speed is what gives you victory in dbz. Skill and techniques is > power only in dragon ball not Z. Btw :  He said that he whanted to defeat him but his best will not be enough right now ( 50% of his power - lost enraging powers until Goku motivated him imo ) Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!” Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…” [ ] Goku: “That’s alright, you can win! Believe in your own power! Show me one last time…The power we created together!” But ofc you can have Gohan still weaker than SPC. I mean its never stated that Gohan > SPC or SPC > Gohan. Edited by Super Vegetto, Jun 7 2012, 11:01 PM.
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| yoyepo | Jun 8 2012, 02:34 AM Post #14 |
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he never said right now and he never said otherwise he'd be stronger than cell. you're inferring alot of information I'm not seeing being given. You could just as easily argue he's saying at max power he wasn't stong enough, and it's too bad cuz he could have defeated cell before the zenkai. Or more likely it's too bad because if he wasn't injured he'd be able to combat cell (his statement doesn't imply he'd own cell) or some other argument. bottom line is its not there. Goku knew about Gohan's massive hidden power. he even says in buu saga gohan can beat ANYONE when mad enough. Vegeta says he's surpassed gohan, but who knows what might happen if gohan gets mad enough, so he's seen gohan vastly more powerful than he is and goku according to the former statement. and this translation you've given is inaccurate btw, its not the viz and iv been told in the original jap goku even mentions gohan's hidden power being the reason. If anyone can provide the original or viz translations that would be great. Also cell never returns to a fight unless he truly believes he has the advantage. if gohan was still greatly stronger, cell wouldn't have returned, he would have absorbed some people, gotten stronger, then returned. Nyways point being spcell = ssj2 kid gohan majin vegeta = ssj2 goku and you say strength is what gives you victory but cell took out gohan because he's tactically a better fighter and Gohan made a mistake, not because it was fair. he escaped from Piccolo because he used the solar flair strategically. Same with trunks and this is team battle in which he's one of the two weaker fighters. I see him as a much better support for majin vegeta with his goku fight than gohan will be for goku. gohan can attack. spcell can plan, attack smartly, blind foes, etc. goku has to worry about gohan getting hurt by majin vegeta. spcell can regenerate if hit by goku. vegeta doesn't have to watch out for him as much. multiple reasons why they are a better tag team in my opinion |
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