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Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ?
Topic Started: Jun 6 2012, 01:53 PM (14,200 Views)
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Ninjajp247
Jun 8 2012, 04:35 AM
There arent any, its just a belief thats gone to far.

To say there is no proof they got any stronger is to say they actually DIDNt get any stronger, which isnt true.

You cant get stronger in SSJ without getting stronger in base. Goku has proven that, and so has vegeta.

The more power your body can handle? the more you can handle. Its that simple.

Goku and vegeta train to not only maintain what they can do, but get stronger and better at it.

otherwise according to super vegettos logic, NONE of the villains are stronger than frieza, despite kaioshins contrary manga statement to this belief he has developed, and disregarded it with no real logic behind his reasoning what so ever, so far all ive read is circle logic with no basis for belief let alone even a reason to prove we have taken those statements in the manga out of context.

Rebel x maybe trying to be diplomatic but i dont see the point in continuing this if an anime fan is going to continuously discredit the manga for his own opinion, which has no basis, as the statements made IN the manga BY the characters are NOT open to interpretation.

Kaioshin and gokus statements about Cell and how WEAK he is compared to the saiyans NOW, and vegeta killing pocus is MORE than enough evidence to Super vegettos contrary. Period.
Its only your opinion because there is no actual proof or statment that says Base saiyans > 100% Frieza...

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I thought my evidence was good *shrugs*

Base Goku > Kaioshin > 100% Freeza
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Thing here is that i dont have Pui Pui and Yakkon stronger than Frieza.

I mean Pui Pui thinks that 10% gravity will help him to beat someone like Vegeta, yet its already proved that for beeing in big gravity you nead only raw strenght. A mear 10% gravity is nothing - stated by Vegeta.


For Yakkon Kaioshin proved that he is familiar with that monster but never stated that Yakkon is stronger than him. Its Babidis magic which gives boost to his slaves and ofc that he whants to gang up on him so that they can finish things fast, but again saiyans are playing all the time.

We cant take everything like its stated when its not.

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I'm not saying Pui Pui/Yakon > Freeza (100% Full Power)

I'm only saying it because Goku can pick up the Z Sword and wave it around steadily while neither Kibito, not Kaioshin can.
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Its proved that Kibito cant, but its never proved that Kaioshin cant.
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Ah, you're right. Well, I don't know then. I honestly have Gohan, Goku, Future Trunks, and Vegeta >> Freeza 100%.
Edited by GridZero, Jun 8 2012, 02:05 PM.
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Thats the point. We cant all agree on something that isnt stated.

Imo Pui Pui and Yakkon are showed as weakllings and i dont understand how someone can have them above Frieza 100% or Kaioshin who is > 100% Frieza.

Kaioshin lack of exp in battle and it can be reason why he whants to play safe and end things fast.
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I don't think Kaioshin has an inexperience in battle, but I get your point.

Pui Pui/Yakon are gimmick fighters. Without their stupid gimmicks, they would've been oneshotted by Goku/Vegeta.
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Well yea we dont even know how strong they realy are and going by performance they realy didnt showed to be so strong.



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It's pointless arguing with Super Vegetto. Everytime someone presents compelling evidence he says "Nuh uh, didn't happen," or "I don't accept that," or "That's not what I believe." He refuses to confront the evidence and uses only his beliefs as a foundation for his arguments. He needs to learn that it's not about what he wants to be, it's about what is. He can want the base saiyans to be below Freeza all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that they left Freeza in the dust long before the Buu Saga.
Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 8 2012, 04:26 PM.
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Pookie Powa!

How is this so hard to answer?

You guys honestly think that Base Future Trunks couldn't have beaten Frieza?

Regardless, I think that if the Saiyans didn't reach Super Saiyan they would have eventually surpassed Frieza in base form. There is nothing saying that they have to turn super saiyan in order to get stronger. It would have just taken longer. It's why Frieza blew up the planet in the first place.
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Duper Vegerot
Jun 8 2012, 04:25 PM
It's pointless arguing with Super Vegetto. Everytime someone presents compelling evidence he says "Nuh uh, didn't happen," or "I don't accept that," or "That's not what I believe." He refuses to confront the evidence and uses only his beliefs as a foundation for his arguments. He needs to learn that it's not about what he wants to be, it's about what is. He can want the base saiyans to be below Freeza all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that they left Freeza in the dust long before the Buu Saga.
Look banned guy. This is one debate that doesnt go so easy and you still keap babling about this.

I never said its 100% Frieza > Base saiyans because there is no clear proof. I said that you cant take everything like its stated. Kaioshin never said he is weaker than base saiyans, Pui-Pui, or Yakkon. Only for Dabura he had in mind slim chance in wining so stop acting like you can solve this debate without much effort.

Btw i am not guy that dosent accept every debate on forum. This is kind of debate which i cant accept as stated.

Get over it already.
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Pookie
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Pookie Powa!

Both of you have the right to your opinion. You need to accept and understand each other's sides even if you don't necessarily agree. By acknowledging the other person's opinion, it lets them feel better. So please stop arguing and keep this a friendly debate. If you guys don't, I am going to have to give each of you a warning and I really do not like doing that.

Anyway, I didn't read the whole topic because there are a lot of pages, but what are the reasons for and against.
Edited by Pookie, Jun 8 2012, 04:44 PM.
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Well look here Pookie. I never start with insulting if mine opinion isnt insulted. He though that he can solve this debate by insulting me which you cant see now because his post is removed.

And now he calls me a pointless arguing. I mean is this right or what ? Everyone has opinion and not only those who think they are right.
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I will never acknowledge Super Vegetto's opinion. Because it's wrong.

Now sure, people are entitled to their opinions, but that does not mean we have to respect them.

I could say that I am of the opinion that all Jews deserved to die in the Holocaust, but should you respect that opinion?
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