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| Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ? | |
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Jun 7 2012, 01:59 AM Post #106 |
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He though, Vegeta though Goku hits limit after recovering and i dont see why would they nead to train in SSJ form if they cant hit limit in that form. |
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Jun 7 2012, 02:01 AM Post #107 |
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Thing here is that i whant to see did i missd something important and not something like debate that can go eather way. Thats why i dont see point to continue this debate since there is no proof as beeing stated and never contradicted. |
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| Duper Vegerot | Jun 7 2012, 02:09 AM Post #108 |
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There's never a limit to power levels. The whole premise of the series is that there's always something bigger and more powerful on the way. Goku said that they hit their limit because it was as strong as they could get at that time. At. That. Time. If Goku's base can't get any stronger, then why is he training in base with North Kaio just before the tournament: ![]() If Goku could only become more powerful with new Ssj transformations, then why isn't he training in Ssj all the time? Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 7 2012, 02:09 AM.
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| + Rebel X | Jun 7 2012, 02:09 AM Post #109 |
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If you're done with this topic and it's interest then don't post in it anymore. Leave a message saying if anyone has the proper proof then tell them to contact you. We can sit here for years trying to convince you or others of something with what is felt as logic but if you don't accept that as enough proof then that is your judgement. You can only accept something if you're willing to hear it and accept it. Clearly nothing that members here have said has shown enough proof. I'm not saying that this is good or bad of you but the fact remains that the solution you are looking for has not been found or doesn't exist as you've decoded and dissected anything that has been presented. Which as someone who used to do that same thing years ago when I was really into these discussion, I respect that. |
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Jun 7 2012, 02:10 AM Post #110 |
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Becuse they obviously save SSJ2,SSJ3 for main event. ( I mean AT ). It wouldnt be interesting to see him training in form that is like highest tier since last saga. Rebel x : i will use your advice. I tryed to ignore everything about other "non statments" but it simply didnt work, so best is to leave it like this : If anyone has the proper proof for Base saiyans > 100% Frieza inbox. Thats all for now. Edited by Super Vegetto, Jun 7 2012, 02:13 AM.
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| Duper Vegerot | Jun 7 2012, 02:15 AM Post #111 |
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If Goku couldn't get any stronger in base, then he would never again train in base. Simple logic. Edit: I'm glad Super Vegetto has left this topic. He's never going to see the truth. I might as well debate with a Brolytard. At least they're funny. Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 7 2012, 02:17 AM.
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Jun 7 2012, 02:17 AM Post #112 |
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If Gohan can go SSJ2 without beeing enraged like on world tournament, than he is SSJ2 against Dabura, Majin boos shell etc. Simple logic isnt it ? Ofc not. Also Vegeta is training in 100x gravity in SSJ and base Trunks is strugling in that gravity for some reason. That is not actual proof that Base or SSJ Goku got stronger. If you find good proof inbox. Thats it for now. I will be here later. |
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| Duper Vegerot | Jun 7 2012, 02:20 AM Post #113 |
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WHAT THE FRICK IS "OFC"???? |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | Jun 7 2012, 02:21 AM Post #114 |
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Of course. |
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| Battle Power | Jun 7 2012, 02:21 PM Post #115 |
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What are the implications of base saiya-jins not getting any stronger? Are there any quotes that back this up, and are not open for interpretation? |
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Jun 8 2012, 04:35 AM Post #116 |
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There arent any, its just a belief thats gone to far. To say there is no proof they got any stronger is to say they actually DIDNt get any stronger, which isnt true. You cant get stronger in SSJ without getting stronger in base. Goku has proven that, and so has vegeta. The more power your body can handle? the more you can handle. Its that simple. Goku and vegeta train to not only maintain what they can do, but get stronger and better at it. otherwise according to super vegettos logic, NONE of the villains are stronger than frieza, despite kaioshins contrary manga statement to this belief he has developed, and disregarded it with no real logic behind his reasoning what so ever, so far all ive read is circle logic with no basis for belief let alone even a reason to prove we have taken those statements in the manga out of context. Rebel x maybe trying to be diplomatic but i dont see the point in continuing this if an anime fan is going to continuously discredit the manga for his own opinion, which has no basis, as the statements made IN the manga BY the characters are NOT open to interpretation. Kaioshin and gokus statements about Cell and how WEAK he is compared to the saiyans NOW, and vegeta killing pocus is MORE than enough evidence to Super vegettos contrary. Period. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Jun 8 2012, 04:39 AM.
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| Master of Dragon Ball | Jun 8 2012, 04:39 AM Post #117 |
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I would suggest the base Saiyans not surpassing 25% Frieza. He was the ruler of the universe for a reason. |
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Jun 8 2012, 04:40 AM Post #118 |
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LOL, in his mind, in reality he was just a thug with some property. |
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| Duper Vegerot | Jun 8 2012, 04:41 AM Post #119 |
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Saiyans are the ultimate warriors for a reason. |
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| Muyasuki | Jun 8 2012, 09:38 AM Post #120 |
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Given the nature of the series, I think its more than clear (at least in my opinion) that that most (if not all) of the z fighters managed to surpass 100% Freeza in their base forms. This doesn't change the fact that Freeza was strong enough to rule the galaxy or anything. Its just a case of power scaling for the plot. In retrospect, Freeza didn't get any weaker...its just that everyone else got that much more powerful. Thats why the latter villians were not alien in origin or even biological. They were specifically manufactured on Earth or through magic. If you take the z-fighters out of the equation, no one else in the Universe (with the exception of his father and brother) can even touch Freeza in his base form, much less 100% but by the beginning of the Buu saga, Freeza at his best can't touch most of the Z-fighters and can only pose a challenge perhaps to one of them. |
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