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Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ?
Topic Started: Jun 6 2012, 01:53 PM (14,202 Views)
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Chapter: 478 (DBZ 284), P5.3-4
Context: Goku tries out the Z Sword
Goku: “Hieeh! It’s true! This is incredibly heavy! *he swings it around* So this sword gives you outrageous power, huh? Wow, that’s amazin’!”

It's training power. Goku even questions if Gohan can beat Boo after training with it, and Gohan said it gave him a great workout.
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Duper Vegerot
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NB4 "THOSE R MADE-UP NUMBAHZ, BRAH!"

The only way Goku wouldn't surpass 100% Freeza is if he only raised his power level by 2.5x or less for every time skip and training session. DO THE MATH.

Super-Duper-Duper Conservative Power Scale:
Goku: 3,000,000
Androids Training 2.5x: 7,500,000
Time Chamber Training 2.5x: 18,750,000
Pre-Buu Timeskip 2.5x: 46,875,000
End of Z Timeskip 2.5x: 117,187,500

That is the ONLY way that the Base Saiyans could be below Freeza even by the end of Z; You have to be super-conservative to the point of being idiotic. It is SHOWN that Goku and the others raise their power levels by factors of at least 10 for all of the training sessions in which power levels were a part of the Manga. Even being one decimal point higher in the power scale, one could still place Goku above 100% Freeza by the end of Z:

Super-Duper Conservative Power Scale:
Goku: 3,000,000
Androids Training 2.6x: 7,800,000
Time Chamber Training 2.6x: 20,280,000
Pre-Buu Timeskip 2.6x: 52,728,000
End of Z Timeskip 2.6x: 137,092,800

The only way to think that no non-fused non-mystic saiyan's base ever surpasses Freeza is if you intentionally ignore logic.
Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 7 2012, 01:00 AM.
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Super Vegetto
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I am still suprised how you are the only one that cant let this debate.

I dont care about this debate anymore but you still keap putting your logic and numbers.

Remember what is sad about Vegeta and Piccolo ? Its all plot purpouse.
Edited by Super Vegetto, Jun 7 2012, 01:07 AM.
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Super Vegetto
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And now you insulting me because my first language in not english. Its good, because i dont care if you insult me for my bad grammar cut i dont care about it. Feel free to correct whenever you whant.
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Super Vegetto
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So now you insult me over debate ? Yea nice to see a guy that cant let one debate.

And yea you are the one that cant handle some things so you nead to go to other forums and talk ***** about my opinion on this. Very matture and smart.

Btw this is still your opinion and get over it. I never whanted to get in Kaioshin debate and i even writed it, but you are the only guy that started to push it to 7 pages.
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GridZero
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Oh cmon now, that's just blatant disrespect.
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Duper Vegerot
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I'm not talking about Kaioshin anymore. When addressing the topic: "Do the Base Saiyans ever Surpass Freeza?" I was able to show through simple power scaling that yes, they very easily could surpass Freeza. You are the one that believes saiyans only increase in power by 2x for every time they train, when in reality we are shown that they increase their power by at least 10x for most of their training sessions. You are the dense one, you are the one that won't listen to reason. I've showed you the truth and you won't listen.
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Super Vegetto
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Man its not about listning things. Thing here is that Kasioshin is beeing scared of those guys yet he saw Gohans power. I already had this debate on other forums way later and it started with is Gohan SSJ2 or SSJ agianst Dabura, insted how strong is Kaioshin. Some peoples say diffrent things in way they see those things.

Btw i use hitting limit thing which means that Goku over 7 years after Cell games didnt got stronger in base anymore. And yea its because of more tranformations. Whats the point to have 3 tranformation if you dont have limit.

Btw this limit thing still doesnt mean that it proves something. There is no actual proof of how strong saiyans become in base over years and i see that now.
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Duper Vegerot
Jun 7 2012, 01:15 AM
Oh, so that's why you're so dense. Frickin' foreingers. Is that why you don't like logic and numbers too? Is it all too much for your brain to handle? If I knew that I was debating with the equivalent of an English-speaking 3-year old then I wouldn't have replied in the first place. I guess I'm done here.
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Super Vegetto
Jun 7 2012, 01:34 AM
Man its not about listning things. Thing here is that Kasioshin is beeing scared of those guys yet he saw Gohans power. I already had this debate on other forums way later and it started with is Gohan SSJ2 or SSJ agianst Dabura, insted how strong is Kaioshin. Some peoples say diffrent things in way they see those things.

Btw i use hitting limit thing which means that Goku over 7 years after Cell games didnt got stronger in base anymore. And yea its because of more tranformations. Whats the point to have 3 tranformation if you dont have limit.

Btw this limit thing still doesnt mean that it proves something. There is no actual proof of how strong saiyans become in base over years and i see that now.
I guess debating with you is pointless because you firmly believe that they can't get any stronger after a point, but the entire point of the story is getting stronger.

By the way, do you believe in what this fake V-Jump scan says:
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If you do, it's fake, just to let you know.
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xD if there is no statment of hitting wall i wouldnt even use that logic.

No. That is not V jump at all. Also many mistakes.
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Super Vegetto
Jun 7 2012, 01:51 AM
xD if there is no statment of hitting wall i wouldnt even use that logic.

No. That is not V jump at all. Also many mistakes.
then why did you say this:

"Btw i use hitting limit thing which means that Goku over 7 years after Cell games didnt got stronger in base anymore. And yea its because of more tranformations. Whats the point to have 3 tranformation if you dont have limit. "

You stated in a former post that you believe Goku didn't get any stronger after the Cell games aside from new transformations.

And then you said the contrary. Which is it?
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Never contradicted anywhere that he got stronger in base or SSJ form.
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Goku also thought he was as strong as he could get after training with North Kaio. He was wrong.
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If entire sagas are taken out of the picture to be able to show any proof then it's not possible to prove this theory one way or the other. Almost every discussion in these sections is conducted with speculation and logic and if you can't accept then these sort of discussions aren't necessary. Don't make any topics if this concept isn't acceptable.

What you can say is that Base Super Saiyans are more powerful than any changeling they have encountered. As the saiyans grew more powerful as they stayed in SS1. This doesn't mean they also grew in power in base but it doesn't mean they're the same either.

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