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Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ?
Topic Started: Jun 6 2012, 01:53 PM (14,206 Views)
Duper Vegerot
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Super Vegetto
Jun 6 2012, 04:44 PM
Why would he try to use Z sword if Gohan is stronger than him.
So you admit it?

But look at Kaioshin's reactions to Gohan and Goku using the Z sword so easily; he's astounded. If he could lift it too he'd be like "Oh, yeah, I could totally do that, I just don't want to."
Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 6 2012, 04:47 PM.
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Super Vegetto
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SSJ2 Gohan > Kaioshin.

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Kaioshin suprised in Goku using Z sword ?

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Base Goku > Kaioshin
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GridZero
Jun 6 2012, 05:00 PM
Base Goku > Kaioshin
And how did you get that ?
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I don't have Kaioshin > Kibito by a wide margin, and Kibito can't wield the Z Sword. He failed miserably.
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Duper Vegerot
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Since Super Vegetto won't believe the arguments about the z sword, then consider when Kaioshin, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan were all in babidi's ship. Kaioshin wanted them all to gang up on Babidi's fighters, but if Kaioshin is so much stronger than their base or even Ssj forms then he would have said "Let me fight them, you'll just die!" Goku fought roughly evenly with Yakon in base, and Kaioshin was terrified of Yakon. Hence, Yakon>=Base Goku>Kaioshin.
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Man this is not How strong is Kaioshin debate and this will go no where if you keap compering Kaioshin with other fighters.

Ignore Kaioshin and find another proof if you can.
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But Kaioshin is our only point of reference for how strong base saiyans are in comparison to 100% Freeza; If the base saiyans are stronger than Kaioshin, then they're stronger than 100% Freeza. It's flat-out stated that all Kaioshins could kill Freeza in a single blast. That's why I"m making comparisons to Kaioshin.

Telling us not to use Kaioshin is like telling a detective to find evidence to convict a murderer without the use of forensics, eyewitness testimony, and confession itself!
Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 6 2012, 05:24 PM.
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Check my post to see my opinion dude. >_<
I think it was on page 2.
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Kaioshin > Piccolo >> Base Goku > Base Vegeta in Buu saga.
Frieza it's nothing from Cell Games. I like very much Frieza like character and his atitude but he don't stand a cance against Base Saiyans or Base Kids at Tournament.
Base Vegeta >> Base Saiyaman >>>> Pui Pui >>>>> Frieza.
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Base Goku > Kaioshin > Freeza 100%
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Remember when, in the Time Chamber in the Cell Saga, Goku told Gohan to train in their Super Saiyan forms until it constituted their new base? That means that Ssj became as easy to use as base form as well as their base being able to wield Ssj power so that they could power up beyond Ssj. That means that the base saiyans surpassed Freeza in the Cell saga.
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GridZero
Jun 6 2012, 05:30 PM
Base Goku > Kaioshin > Freeza 100%
Even i try to make a lot calculations i can't have Base Goku > Kaioshin > Piccolo. :errm:
I don't think Base Goku >> Piccolo. That's my opinion.
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I have Piccolo above Kaioshin, but I don't know about Base Goku. Probably so though.
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GridZero
Jun 6 2012, 05:41 PM
I have Piccolo above Kaioshin, but I don't know about Base Goku. Probably so though.
Piccolo admitted that Kaioshin was much more powerful than he was at the tournament.
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