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Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ?
Topic Started: Jun 6 2012, 01:53 PM (14,187 Views)
NeO Veggie
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Eoz Base Son Goku takes Frieza no problem .
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Selsiuss
Jun 14 2012, 06:36 PM
It doesn't matter that Goku didn't want to fight Vegeta. Vegeta wanted to fight Goku. Unless Vegeta thinks his Ssj2 can take on Goku's Ssj3, then the no Ssj rule is still in effect.
Vegeta didn't want to fight Goku, he entered the last tourny because he thought it was interesting when Goku spoke about Ubuu..
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Vegeta said that he improved, but never that he surpassed Goku or that he is equal to Goku.

Like GridZero mentioned, Vegeta didnt stand a chance against Goku in EoZ.
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The point still stands that:

Base Saiyans surpassed Freeza.

MSsj is no stronger than Ssj, just more efficient.

There is not a permanent barrier to improving power.
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base trunks fought evenly with #18, without the use of his legs, in a restrictive costume, and dragging around what was essentially dead weight in the form of goten. therefore, base trunks (restricted) ~ #18 > frieza. therefore, base trunks > frieza.

also, post z sword base gohan > ssj pre z sword base gohan > kaioshin > frieza.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Selsiuss
Jun 14 2012, 07:20 PM
The point still stands that:

Base Saiyans surpassed Freeza.

MSsj is no stronger than Ssj, just more efficient.

There is not a permanent barrier to improving power.
I provided what I believe is evidence of limits.
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Jun 14 2012, 08:08 PM
I provided what I believe is evidence of limits.
What you believe, but not what's true.
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Why Pyrus? whats wrong with my definition of Full power super saiyan?

Goku proved it true.

Vegeta couldnt.

Yet MSSj is the form that encompasses ALL the power of a Super saiyan. Filler goku said this in the rosat.

Thus the NEED for MSSJ, to fight cell, and not as a USSJ which was gokus only hope.

Lucky for him cell wanted to know who the better fighter was, and conceded to goku after their match.

USSj goku was almost as strong as MSSJ gohan at full power. As compared to gokus estimate of full power cell.

Thats my estimate anyways, as the bottom of cells true power shocked even goku when cell powered up to the MaX.

FP perfect cell> estimated perfect cell=MSSJ gohan= USSJ goku>>suppressed cell=MSSJ goku

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Why Pyrus? whats wrong with my definition of Full power super saiyan?

Goku proved it true.

Vegeta couldnt.

Yet MSSj is the form that encompasses ALL the power of a Super saiyan. Filler goku said this in the rosat.


FILLER... IS... NOT... CANON...

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Thus the NEED for MSSJ, to fight cell, and not as a USSJ which was gokus only hope.

Lucky for him cell wanted to know who the better fighter was, and conceded to goku after their match.

USSj goku was almost as strong as MSSJ gohan at full power. As compared to gokus estimate of full power cell.

There is no statement regarding how strong Ultra Ssj Goku is compared to Gohan after he finished training. Gohan believed Goku could beat Cell, but Goku said the powerful, bulky form is not the way to go.

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Thats my estimate anyways, as the bottom of cells true power shocked even goku when cell powered up to the MaX.

FP perfect cell> estimated perfect cell=MSSJ gohan= USSJ goku>>suppressed cell=MSSJ goku


The Point of mastering the normal Ssj form was to make it more efficient, not more powerful. I will make a new thread analyzing Ssj vs Ascended, Ultra, and Mastered Ssj. Since this topic is about Freeza, and we've steered far from that, I think it's time to take this discussion elsewhere.
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Super Vegetto
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I still stay on same opinion.

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Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs
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Essentially, you can't argue against evidence so you're just stubbornly refusing to believe it.

lunar2 explained it perfectly.
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Heh its never stated so i can have diffrent opinion.
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Super Vegetto
Jun 14 2012, 10:44 PM
I still stay on same opinion.

Then there's no reason trying to change your mind. Fine. Be ignorant. Anyone else who has an open mind, watch out for my full Ssj analysis coming soon.
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You guys already proved that you have your opinions, and i have mine.

Thats called opinion, not beeing ignorant.
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Selsiuss
Jun 14 2012, 09:58 PM
Weskur
Jun 14 2012, 08:08 PM
I provided what I believe is evidence of limits.
What you believe, but not what's true.
Ok, I provided evidence that prove there is a limit one cannot surpass in DBZ. I wrote them down and no body tried to debunk them.
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