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| Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ? | |
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Jun 14 2012, 06:38 PM Post #316 |
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Eoz Base Son Goku takes Frieza no problem . |
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| NavonWise | Jun 14 2012, 07:12 PM Post #317 |
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Vegeta didn't want to fight Goku, he entered the last tourny because he thought it was interesting when Goku spoke about Ubuu.. |
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Jun 14 2012, 07:13 PM Post #318 |
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Vegeta said that he improved, but never that he surpassed Goku or that he is equal to Goku. Like GridZero mentioned, Vegeta didnt stand a chance against Goku in EoZ. |
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| Selsiuss | Jun 14 2012, 07:20 PM Post #319 |
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The point still stands that: Base Saiyans surpassed Freeza. MSsj is no stronger than Ssj, just more efficient. There is not a permanent barrier to improving power. |
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| lunar2 | Jun 14 2012, 07:54 PM Post #320 |
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base trunks fought evenly with #18, without the use of his legs, in a restrictive costume, and dragging around what was essentially dead weight in the form of goten. therefore, base trunks (restricted) ~ #18 > frieza. therefore, base trunks > frieza. also, post z sword base gohan > ssj pre z sword base gohan > kaioshin > frieza. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| NavonWise | Jun 14 2012, 08:08 PM Post #321 |
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I provided what I believe is evidence of limits. |
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| Selsiuss | Jun 14 2012, 09:58 PM Post #322 |
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What you believe, but not what's true. |
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Jun 14 2012, 10:09 PM Post #323 |
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Why Pyrus? whats wrong with my definition of Full power super saiyan? Goku proved it true. Vegeta couldnt. Yet MSSj is the form that encompasses ALL the power of a Super saiyan. Filler goku said this in the rosat. Thus the NEED for MSSJ, to fight cell, and not as a USSJ which was gokus only hope. Lucky for him cell wanted to know who the better fighter was, and conceded to goku after their match. USSj goku was almost as strong as MSSJ gohan at full power. As compared to gokus estimate of full power cell. Thats my estimate anyways, as the bottom of cells true power shocked even goku when cell powered up to the MaX. FP perfect cell> estimated perfect cell=MSSJ gohan= USSJ goku>>suppressed cell=MSSJ goku |
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| Selsiuss | Jun 14 2012, 10:36 PM Post #324 |
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FILLER... IS... NOT... CANON...
There is no statement regarding how strong Ultra Ssj Goku is compared to Gohan after he finished training. Gohan believed Goku could beat Cell, but Goku said the powerful, bulky form is not the way to go.
The Point of mastering the normal Ssj form was to make it more efficient, not more powerful. I will make a new thread analyzing Ssj vs Ascended, Ultra, and Mastered Ssj. Since this topic is about Freeza, and we've steered far from that, I think it's time to take this discussion elsewhere. |
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Jun 14 2012, 10:44 PM Post #325 |
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I still stay on same opinion. |
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Jun 14 2012, 10:49 PM Post #326 |
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Essentially, you can't argue against evidence so you're just stubbornly refusing to believe it. lunar2 explained it perfectly. |
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Jun 14 2012, 10:50 PM Post #327 |
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Heh its never stated so i can have diffrent opinion. |
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| Selsiuss | Jun 14 2012, 10:51 PM Post #328 |
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Then there's no reason trying to change your mind. Fine. Be ignorant. Anyone else who has an open mind, watch out for my full Ssj analysis coming soon. |
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Jun 14 2012, 10:53 PM Post #329 |
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You guys already proved that you have your opinions, and i have mine. Thats called opinion, not beeing ignorant. |
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| NavonWise | Jun 14 2012, 11:12 PM Post #330 |
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Ok, I provided evidence that prove there is a limit one cannot surpass in DBZ. I wrote them down and no body tried to debunk them. |
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