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Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ?
Topic Started: Jun 6 2012, 01:53 PM (14,188 Views)
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Jun 14 2012, 04:28 PM
Goku clearly didn't hit his limit in the Cell Games since he continues to train all the way into the EOZ.
Plot purpouse, he neads to train to stay in shape.

Also he stated that Oob ( Kid boo ) can probably win the tournament, so he clearly didnt improved so much from Boo saga.

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Jun 14 2012, 03:35 PM
Well i think diffrent. Goku clearly stated it and he even said that he doesnt nead time chamber anymore, yet he says that Vegeta is under him and neads time chamber.

50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

Trunks trained in base and in SSJ find way to ascend but clearly never trained in it. The body didnt got used to his grades so he becomed buff like Vegeta. After time chamber he probably trained SSJ body which made him clearly more proggres and surpassing his previous untrained SSJ body.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku? I'm not sure I'm seeing this right..
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Jun 14 2012, 04:45 PM
Teen GohanZ
Jun 14 2012, 04:28 PM
Goku clearly didn't hit his limit in the Cell Games since he continues to train all the way into the EOZ.
Plot purpouse, he neads to train to stay in shape.

Also he stated that Oob ( Kid boo ) can probably win the tournament, so he clearly didnt improved so much from Boo saga.

He definitely got stronger.

Chapter: 426 (DBZ 232), P7.2-3
Context: after Goku says he’ll enter the tournament
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this. You’d better brace yourself. I’ve improved quite a lot.”
Goku: “Me too, Vegeta.”

And what does Uub have to do with it? We don't even know exactly how strong Uub was. In fact how strong Uub really is would depend on just how strong Goku was.
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Jun 14 2012, 04:48 PM
Super Vegetto
Jun 14 2012, 03:35 PM
Well i think diffrent. Goku clearly stated it and he even said that he doesnt nead time chamber anymore, yet he says that Vegeta is under him and neads time chamber.

50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

Trunks trained in base and in SSJ find way to ascend but clearly never trained in it. The body didnt got used to his grades so he becomed buff like Vegeta. After time chamber he probably trained SSJ body which made him clearly more proggres and surpassing his previous untrained SSJ body.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku? I'm not sure I'm seeing this right..
I dont know. Vegeta saw Gokus 50% and was confident he is above Goku until Goku goes full power against Perfect Cell.

Also i dont see Trunks in big gap with Vegeta so SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks ( Post 2 Rosat ) > 50% SSJ Goku looks good to me.
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Jun 14 2012, 04:49 PM
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Jun 14 2012, 04:45 PM
Teen GohanZ
Jun 14 2012, 04:28 PM
Goku clearly didn't hit his limit in the Cell Games since he continues to train all the way into the EOZ.
Plot purpouse, he neads to train to stay in shape.

Also he stated that Oob ( Kid boo ) can probably win the tournament, so he clearly didnt improved so much from Boo saga.

He definitely got stronger.

Chapter: 426 (DBZ 232), P7.2-3
Context: after Goku says he’ll enter the tournament
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this. You’d better brace yourself. I’ve improved quite a lot.”
Goku: “Me too, Vegeta.”

And what does Uub have to do with it? We don't even know exactly how strong Uub was. In fact how strong Uub really is would depend on just how strong Goku was.
Goku though that Oob is Kid boo in powers. Goku though that Oob ( Kid boo ) can win the tournament.

Goku didnt had chance against Kid boo in Boo saga. He only had chance in defeating him with one instant ki blast, so i see why he whanted to test he abbility against Kid boo ( Oob ) after 10 years.
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Goku though that Oob is Kid boo in powers. Goku though that Oob ( Kid boo ) can win the tournament.

Goku didnt had chance against Kid boo in Boo saga. He only had chance in defeating him with one instant ki blast, so i see why he whanted to test he abbility against Kid boo for 10 years.

It's not really stated that Goku assumed Uub would be exactly Kid Buu's power, it could be right but it defiantly isn't a fact. Also all you're doing now is saying base Goku is equal to Kid Buu, which further proves that Goku got much, much stronger.
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Jun 14 2012, 04:51 PM
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Jun 14 2012, 04:48 PM
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Jun 14 2012, 03:35 PM
Well i think diffrent. Goku clearly stated it and he even said that he doesnt nead time chamber anymore, yet he says that Vegeta is under him and neads time chamber.

50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

Trunks trained in base and in SSJ find way to ascend but clearly never trained in it. The body didnt got used to his grades so he becomed buff like Vegeta. After time chamber he probably trained SSJ body which made him clearly more proggres and surpassing his previous untrained SSJ body.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku? I'm not sure I'm seeing this right..
I dont know. Vegeta saw Gokus 50% and was confident he is above Goku until Goku goes full power against Perfect Cell.

Also i dont see Trunks in big gap with Vegeta so SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks ( Post 2 Rosat ) > 50% SSJ Goku looks good to me.
Confident? Vegeta was not confident, in fact he was pissed off and tells Piccolo to hurry up so he can have his chance and go to the ROSAT again. There is no way (Cell saga)SSJ Vegeta>(Cell saga)MSSJ Goku.
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There is no SSJ rule in EoZ, so yea i dont think Base Goku EoZ > SSJ3 Goku ( Boo saga ).
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Jun 14 2012, 04:56 PM
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Jun 14 2012, 04:51 PM
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Jun 14 2012, 04:48 PM
Super Vegetto
Jun 14 2012, 03:35 PM
Well i think diffrent. Goku clearly stated it and he even said that he doesnt nead time chamber anymore, yet he says that Vegeta is under him and neads time chamber.

50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

Trunks trained in base and in SSJ find way to ascend but clearly never trained in it. The body didnt got used to his grades so he becomed buff like Vegeta. After time chamber he probably trained SSJ body which made him clearly more proggres and surpassing his previous untrained SSJ body.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks.

SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks > 50% FPSSJ Goku? I'm not sure I'm seeing this right..
I dont know. Vegeta saw Gokus 50% and was confident he is above Goku until Goku goes full power against Perfect Cell.

Also i dont see Trunks in big gap with Vegeta so SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Trunks ( Post 2 Rosat ) > 50% SSJ Goku looks good to me.
Confident? Vegeta was not confident, in fact he was pissed off and tells Piccolo to hurry up so he can have his chance and go to the ROSAT again. There is no way (Cell saga)SSJ Vegeta>(Cell saga)MSSJ Goku.
SSJ Vegeta ( Post Rosat second time ) > 50% SSJ Goku.

I mean if he is weaker than 50% Goku after Rosat, he clearly should know that he doesnt stand a chance against Cell, yet he planed to fight until Goku goes 100% and Vegeta says that he doesnt stand a chance against Cell after realizing Goku cant beat Cell.

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Oh you meant after the second ROSAT? I guess it's not impossible...
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As soon as the Saiyans reached the Cell Games they were way past Frieza even in base form.
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Jun 14 2012, 04:56 PM
There is no SSJ rule in EoZ, so yea i dont think Base Goku EoZ > SSJ3 Goku ( Boo saga ).
If that's the case then, by your beliefs, and taking Vegeta and Goku's statements about getting stronger in those 10 years after Buu was killed, that means that Goku and Vegeta's Ssj and Ssj2 states are possibly at Goku's Ssj3(Buu Saga) level, yet their bases are still only 60 million........

No new Ssj state was revealed after 3(manga-wise), and Vegeta was never stated or revealed to have unlocked Ssj3, so why would Vegeta be ok with fighting Goku if the no Ssj rule is not in effect and Goku can knock him out in 1 punch with Ssj3? Does he think, even after admitting that Goku will always be better than him, that his Ssj or Ssj2 state is enough to take on Goku's Ssj3?

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The no Ssj rule had to be in effect. Either that or at least a "no Ssj3" rule.
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Goku had absolutely no intention of fighting Vegeta. Vegeta even admitted inferiority at EoZ.

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Jun 14 2012, 06:23 PM
Goku had absolutely no intention of fighting Vegeta. Vegeta even admitted inferiority at EoZ.

It doesn't matter that Goku didn't want to fight Vegeta. Vegeta wanted to fight Goku. Unless Vegeta thinks his Ssj2 can take on Goku's Ssj3, then the no Ssj rule is still in effect.
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Why is Vegeta going to want to fight Goku if he's already admitted he can't win at EoZ?
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