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Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ?
Topic Started: Jun 6 2012, 01:53 PM (14,194 Views)
Duper Vegerot
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I think I'll re-post what I posted earlier in the debate, as I think it is a valid argument.

The only way the base Saiyans wouldn't surpass 100% Freeza is if they only raised their power levels by 2.5x or less for every time skip and training session. DO THE MATH.

Super-Duper-Duper Conservative Power Scale:
Goku: 3,000,000
Androids Training 2.5x: 7,500,000
Time Chamber Training 2.5x: 18,750,000
Pre-Buu Timeskip 2.5x: 46,875,000
End of Z Timeskip 2.5x: 117,187,500

That is the ONLY way that the Base Saiyans could be below Freeza even by the end of Z; You have to be super-conservative to the point of being idiotic. It is SHOWN that Goku and the others raise their power levels by factors of at least 10 for all of the training sessions in which power levels were a part of the Manga. Even being one decimal point higher in the power scale, one could still place Goku above 100% Freeza by the end of Z:

Super-Duper Conservative Power Scale:
Goku: 3,000,000
Androids Training 2.6x: 7,800,000
Time Chamber Training 2.6x: 20,280,000
Pre-Buu Timeskip 2.6x: 52,728,000
End of Z Timeskip 2.6x: 137,092,800

That's a very conservative estimate given that Goku's power level has gone up over 20x in less than a year. Goku and all other base Saiyans stomp Freeza by the Buu arc at the latest.
Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 12 2012, 02:18 AM.
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Base Goku ( Namek ) : 3.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Namek ) : 150.000.000

Base Goku ( Boo saga ) : 60.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) : 3.000.000.000

Very big gap imo. Android saga Goku under billion. Cell games Goku over billion. You can put gap for every character between.
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Jun 12 2012, 12:12 PM
Base Goku ( Namek ) : 3.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Namek ) : 150.000.000

Base Goku ( Boo saga ) : 60.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) : 3.000.000.000

Very big gap imo. Android saga Goku under billion. Cell games Goku over billion. You can put gap for every character between.
You've just went beyond the meaning of fail. Where would we put the Androids?
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Me went fail ? Your Goku got 360.000.000 mill in 1 year ?

Training is not giving same boost like zenkai, and going by your numbers i am not even sure how you got this kind of power boosts.

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Super Vegetto
Jun 12 2012, 12:12 PM
Base Goku ( Namek ) : 3.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Namek ) : 150.000.000

Base Goku ( Boo saga ) : 60.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) : 3.000.000.000

Very big gap imo. Android saga Goku under billion. Cell games Goku over billion. You can put gap for every character between.
Oh god you fail so much. I bet you think that Babidi's Kili meter translates directly into power levels. Why should they? Why should 1 Kili=1 million power level? There no evidence for it. It's an entirely different system of measurement that was abandoned after a few chapters. Kilis should never be compared to power levels. They just don't work.

Or, you might think that one V-Jump scan showing a bunch of power levels after Freeza saga is real. Do you think that Super Buu is at 32 billion? Do you think Ssj Gotenks is equal to Perfect Cell? It's fake dude, it's fake.
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I believe goku, vegeta & maybe gohan was strongerthan friezas full power
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Duper Vegerot
Jun 12 2012, 07:00 PM
Super Vegetto
Jun 12 2012, 12:12 PM
Base Goku ( Namek ) : 3.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Namek ) : 150.000.000

Base Goku ( Boo saga ) : 60.000.000
SSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) : 3.000.000.000

Very big gap imo. Android saga Goku under billion. Cell games Goku over billion. You can put gap for every character between.
Oh god you fail so much. I bet you think that Babidi's Kili meter translates directly into power levels. Why should they? Why should 1 Kili=1 million power level? There no evidence for it. It's an entirely different system of measurement that was abandoned after a few chapters. Kilis should never be compared to power levels. They just don't work.

Or, you might think that one V-Jump scan showing a bunch of power levels after Freeza saga is real. Do you think that Super Buu is at 32 billion? Do you think Ssj Gotenks is equal to Perfect Cell? It's fake dude, it's fake.
Your so naive to think that i nead fake list for my power level list.

FPSSJ Goku Boo saga is : 4.200.000.000

SSJ Goku Boo saga with initial 50x boost : 3.000.000.000

Btw i got that number by replacing Gokus Kaio ken 20x as a true base power level, and i only showed an example of Gokus stomping power in SSJ, even beeing weaker than 100% Frieza.

You fail always.
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There's still no way that Goku is around 3-4.2 billion. That's too low. At least 30-40 billion is more like it. Have you been paying attention to my posts? The only way the base saiyans don't surpass Freeza is if they get ridiculously small gains in training.

And there's no evidence that the saiyans reach limits that they cannot surpass without new transformations. Prove me wrong, seriously. Give your evidence, and I'll counter it with mine.
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Omg you still wont give up. I have my opinions, you have yours.

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ENOUGH WITH TELLING US TO GIVE UP. IT WON'T WORK. You are the one that's giving up by not providing evidence. By telling us to give up and not providing evidence to back up your claim you have admitted that your argument has nothing to back it up. Either give us evidence, or you give up.
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One question : Who are you ? Akira Toriyama ? Listen already, stop replying to me because i wont answer you. And why you send me a message : What Country Are You From? Why you care ? You whant to insult me or what ?

You already proved to not care when it comes to someones opinion, especialy mine. You have 15 pages, so read again.
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It appears to me that you won't reply because you have no evidence. You know you are defeated, so you pretend that you're still right and refuse to debate because your opinion is so much better than ours.
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Wrong. I already writed my opinion and proved to almost everyone that Kaioshin > Pui-Pui, Kaioshin > Piccolo and to those who whant or dont whant to belive that Piccolo is > Base saiyans in Cell games. Few years after Piccolo should still be above Base saiyans, but weaker than SSJins.

Its up to some peoples to decide.



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Forget about the Kaioshin vs Piccolo vs Base Saiyans debate.

Put forth your evidence that Base Saiyans did not surpass Freeza throughout the whole series.
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I say Frieza 100% > Base saiyans, and you say Base saiyans > Kaioshin > Frieza 100%.

There is no actual proof of base saiyans beeing stronger or weaker than Frieza, then going in debate is Kaioshin weaker than Pui-Pui.

I have Kaioshin stomping guy ( Pui-Pui ) that thinks how mere 10x gravity would help him.

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