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| Base Saiyans surpassing 100% Frieza ? | |
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| Pookie | Jun 8 2012, 05:22 PM Post #136 |
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I'm just letting you both know that I'm not siding with anyone, but I will tell you both this. I agree with what you said Super Vegetto, but even if he does insult you, its better to report him then to keep arguing about it in the topic. @Duper- I'm sure his opinion wasn't as terrible as something you just used as an example. We are talking about DBZ here, not genocide. You don't necessarily have to respect his opinion, but you don't have to insult him either. There is a difference between respecting an opinion and respecting a person. It's happened to me in the past getting in a feud with someone who didnt agree with me, but it's really not worth it because in the end both of you end up getting angry. Regardless, if you two can't get along in this topic or debate with calmness, then post in other topics. Or just agree to disagree and that's all. Anyway, please continue the topic. If you two need to talk, just PM me. I don't want to keep ruining this topic. |
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| Duper Vegerot | Jun 8 2012, 05:24 PM Post #137 |
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At least I know that debating with him is pointless, because he will never change his mind. At this point I'm just in it for kicks. |
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Jun 8 2012, 05:27 PM Post #138 |
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Debating between us is pointless because we have diffrent opinion. |
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| Duper Vegerot | Jun 8 2012, 05:32 PM Post #139 |
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A truly pointless debate is between two people of the same opinion. The entire goal of debate is to change someone else's mind. Pointless may have been the wrong word to use, but nothing will come of trying to change your mind. |
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Jun 8 2012, 05:55 PM Post #140 |
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I change my mind when i get proof that i cant solve. The entire goal in debate is to prove something that cant be contradiceted. Like SSJ,SS2 Gohan debate. There is a Kaioshin quote where he says that Kibito didnt saw Gohans powers. That quote like Goku explaning Daburas power level is one of the kind in that debate + Daizensuu 7 stated by AT to be great job and more proof saying same thing like its stated in manga. That is what makes debate unique and not something that you can prove as wrong looking from diffrent opinion. Are android 19,20 stronger than Frieza is also debate that cant be solved. Someone has Piccolo getting 50x stronger and someone has him getting normal gains over years. |
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Jun 9 2012, 01:39 AM Post #141 |
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It amazes me that you don't have Perfect Cell 50x stronger than Freeza. Using minimum gaps: 1.1x advantage gap ~ as a catch-all, if one character is stronger than the other, we will say they are just 1.1x stronger 2x training/transforming/powering up gap ~ when a character trains, transforms, or powers up through some means, we'll just say they got 2x stronger if it fits well enough 50x SSjin multiplier ~ we'll use this Freeza -> SSjin Goku Namek (1.1x) -> SSjin Goku/Post Training/Heart Disease (2x) -> #19 (1.1x) -> SSjin Vegeta/Tired (1.1x) -> #20 (1.1x) -> Piccolo/Post Training (1.1x) -> SSjin Vegeta/Not Tired (1.1x) -> #18 (1.1x) -> #17 (1.1x) = Piccolo w/ Kami -> #16 (1.1x) -> Imperfect Cell Post Humans (1.1x) -> Semi-Perfect Cell (2x) -> A1SSjin Vegeta (1.1x) -> Initial Perfect Cell (1.1x) -> A2SSjin Trunks (1.1x) -> 50% MSSjin Goku (1.1x) -> 100% MSSjin Goku (2x) -> Perfect Cell/At Goku (1.1x) -> MSSjin Gohan (1.1x) You get MSSjin Gohan being roughly 37x stronger than SSjin Goku on Namek. Now, using actual gaps that make sense, you don't think this could be bumped up to Gohan being 50x Goku on Namek? Maybe I should go further, ya know, to Boo Saga. MSSjin Gohan -> MSSjin Vegeta/Pre Majin (1.1x) -> MSSjin Vegeta/Majin (1.1x) So, still using our very small gaps, MSSjin Majin Vegeta is ~44x stronger than Goku on Namek. Of course, if you have Goku on Namek a measly 1.1x stronger than Freeza, than MSSjin Majin Vegeta is ~49x stronger than Freeza. Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Jun 9 2012, 01:44 AM.
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| Duper Vegerot | Jun 9 2012, 02:41 AM Post #142 |
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"Those are just numbers you made up, bro. Stop with your numbers and logic and making sense and all!" Is what he'll say. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Jun 9 2012, 05:27 AM Post #143 |
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my numbers were best, and proved everything. Versus forum has been torn from its foundation and flipped on its side. I used to love it; now it's just
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| Prince . | Jun 9 2012, 11:47 AM Post #144 |
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NO.1 Miz fan in the world . MIZ IS AWESOME .
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Even with x50 multipier Base Saiyans don't stand a chance in the Buu saga even Dabura will make short work of them. |
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| SSJ JJ | Jun 9 2012, 09:16 PM Post #145 |
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Easily base Saiyan over 100% Frieza.. Vegeta, Gohan and Goku after the Cell saga especially.. Shown in the Janemba movie where Gohan beat Frieza with one hit, or how in GT Goku was simply embarrassing Frieza and Cell in his normal state... And also in GT how base Vegeta was beating android 17, that is until the 17's merged |
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Tell me Kakorot, Is it slavery when you get what you want? The Dark Prince returns | |
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| Prince . | Jun 10 2012, 03:38 PM Post #146 |
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NO.1 Miz fan in the world . MIZ IS AWESOME .
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Base Trunks was holding his own agaisnt Android 18 with limited vision and only the use of his arms, how could he not be above Freeza? (Teen GohanZ's Quote) . |
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| SSJ JJ | Jun 10 2012, 03:54 PM Post #147 |
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Plus in the movie (don't know exact name) but it's something like "Son Goku and Friends etc..".. Trunks and Goten fight those 2 guys who Vegeta compares to having power levels at around that of Frieza |
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Tell me Kakorot, Is it slavery when you get what you want? The Dark Prince returns | |
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| + Clearin | Jun 10 2012, 04:47 PM Post #148 |
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Base Vegeta was confident in beating Piccolo at the 25th Budokai even without Super Saiyan so at the very least Base Goku and Base Vegeta > 100% Freeza. |
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Jun 10 2012, 05:01 PM Post #149 |
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Im wondering WHAT is the evidence Super vegetto has provided that throws kaioshins statements out of the window. You havent debunked anything i said, nor explained why what i said was wrong. How can it be my opinion that kaioshin is scared to fight pocus alone? why is it that he insisted on gohan getting help KNOWING he could turn SUper saiyan? So ill tell you this then, Kaioshin cant read power levels for *****. if he could then he wouldnt have needed gohan to prove the super saiyan form was on the level when pocus, yakon, and dabra are supposed to be the strongest creatures this side of frieza. Ive been reading what youve been saying vegetto and what youre saying never made any sense. Other people are being nice, but im calling you out. where is your evidence to the PROVEN contrary of your belief? WHERE? where does it NOt provide proof through actions BY the characters who can do what and who cant? Like stated by kaioshin, he could kill frieza with one blast. and clearly stated pocus was stronger than frieza. If i need to send in scans i will, this is getting old. A direct scan will prove to you how wrong you are. Kaioshin didnt know the base saiyans could power up. He thought super saiyan was their only next level. Kaioshin also stated that he had been surpassed by lower beings and was glad they were fighting on the side of good. Cause no way could kibit and supreme kai stop them if they didnt. kibito kai: wow goku im as strong as you now lets fight!! elder kai: dont be ridiculous, youre no where NEAR gokus level of power. So sit down. Kibito kai= useless Base vegeta who is weaker than goku at this time, killed pocus with an annoyed look on his face. The same one frieza gave vegeta when he killed him. so if kaioshin is scared to fight pocus alone, and deathly scared of dabra? guess what? Not to mention you have the anime confused with the manga. In the manga the saiyans dont go SSJ unless they HAVE to. they dont go SSJ just to fight. So unless YOU CAN DEBUNK KAIOSHINS COMMENTS put there by AKIRA TORIYAMA? AND the fact that vegeta killed pocus after scaring the SAME guy who claimed he could kill frieza with a single blast? i dont want to hear about theres no evidence. You have the burden of proof here, not us. |
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Jun 10 2012, 09:37 PM Post #150 |
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Kaioshin is scared of Pocus because that is Babidis slave ( slave from guy that created monster that poses power greater than SSJ2 Gohan on world tournament + he is suposed to have all strong slaves around him ). After seeing Dabura he had in mind only slim chance in winning. That is after he saw Gohans power and probably the reason why he though that Pocus is also strong slave. Oh realy. So you whant to say that Kaioshin cant read power levels for ***** ? Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4 Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?” Kibito: “…Wh-what tremendous power…I can’t believe he’s a being of the lower world!” Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…” Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…” Goku: “…Stop it?” Both Kaioshin and Kibito can sence power very well. Ive been reading what youve been saying vegetto and what youre saying never made any sense. I wouldnt open this topic if its so obvious and i am suprised that you insult my opinion like you are AT. Other peoples are beeing nice ? I am nice to everyone who is nice to me. You clearly proved that you dont find it hard to insult someones opinion just to act smart. Trust me, acting smart and calling someones opinion " not making sence " is pretty much from those guys that take one debate that is old for who knows how many years as something stated. Yes Pocus is stated to be strong by 2 guys that think Goku is only glowing in his SSJ form. Direct scan will not prove anything because this kind of debate can be contradicted. I guess there is no actual proof that proves who is right and who is wrong which is why i opened this debate to see if i missed something important. I guess it still stays as debate and not by your words. |
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