Is a monarchy so bad?

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Is a monarchy so bad?
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 5 2012, 01:33 AM (1,617 Views)
+ Pelador	Jun 5 2012, 01:33 AM Post #1
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	There are many countries in the world who do not have a monarchy. Instead they opt to have a President and sometimes like in France's case a prime minister too. But is this political arrangement really better or more efficient than having a monarchy instead? My opinion? Presidents have too much power for somebody put there by the people. People who are easily manipulated and controlled. People who are uneducated and ignorant. In other words, a President can say whatever they feel they need to say to get elected. It doesn't matter if they really believe what they're saying. All they need are votes. They will say anything to win. The idea of our leader being selected by the people is nice in theory. However in reality we often end up with liars, felanderers, incompetants and generally vile human beings being elected to power. Some examples include President Bush Jr (USA), President Berlusconi (Italy) President Sarkosy (France) ect. Yes sometimes you elect a good egg like both Roosevelts. But how many bad leaders get elected before one of those comes along? Is it really worth it for an idea? Your countries have been set back so many times because of poor administrations and bad leaders. Maybe less bad decisions would have been made had your head of state's power been more limited such as with the constitutional monarchy of the United Kingdom? For until some super genious comes up with an improved government system to democracy, this is really the only alternative. The Queen of England was never elected and a lot of people can't put their finger on exactly what she does. But most people can agree that she is a lovely lady. Kind, generous and never scandalous. She is what politicians so often claim to be when they are running for an election. I would rather have a friendly and genuine person like her in charge than a dozen other names I can think of who work for the government. But then you may say, well just because this one monarch is good doesn't mean the next one in line will be. I disagree with this arguement. Both Prince Charles (her son) and Prince William (her grandson) have proven themselves to also be good, honest, friendly people. William was even meant to have rescued someone at sea one time during his military service. This is why it bothers me when people complain that they are unelected. Compare them to all the people who are elected. It seems that actually, elected officials aren't that great most of the time. Of course what happens when you hand these ordinarily friendly people more power? Maybe they wouldn't be so friendly if they could make laws? Power corrupts after all. But then England has had plenty of monarchs with absolute power who didn't really abuse it. Put some safeguards and controls in place to keep them in check and you might actually have a decent leadership with an (almost) absolute monarchy for this day an age. I reckon the Windsors would do a fine job of running the country if they could.
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Pookie	Jun 5 2012, 02:03 AM Post #2
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	I agree with a lot of what you said about there being corrupt politicians and them saying whatever they want in order to get the people's votes. However, I'm not sure where I would stand with this. I know Spain has a similar system because they still treat their monarchy very well, but I just don't feel safe with the idea of having one person commanding everything that I do. Some kings of the past did abuse their power. In most cases, I think the more power an individual has the more they want to keep it. There are some issues I have with a monarchy. Why are some people given the right to rule over others just because of the family they were born in? Who gave them that right? It starts to make some families more important than others. Not all children of monarchs are fit to rule either. Edited by Pookie, Jun 5 2012, 02:04 AM.



~~Badakku~~	Jun 5 2012, 02:08 AM Post #3
Posts: 16 Group: Suspended Member #7,658 Joined: May 19, 2012	The queen's a figurehead; the rest of the government does the work. Nah, JK, don't get mad. I don't like giving one person too much power in any government. There should be a government where there's no single person with more power than the rest of the government. But alas, not in this lifetime. Governments are subjective to the people within them. A democratic republic would work as well as a monarch if there were less corrupt people (the people you described) working in them. Edited by Badakku, Jun 5 2012, 02:18 AM.



Strawberry	Jun 5 2012, 10:04 AM Post #4
Chiaroscuro ♥ Posts: 17,000 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	Pelador, ANYBODY with power -- regardless of the political system they're in -- can be abusive and corrupt. Just because you have examples of seemingly good monarchs doesn't mean that all of them will be good just because the current ones in England are. In fact, the history of monarchy was anything but sugar, spice and everything nice. It was often the opposite. There's a reason why monarchy has fallen behind and is now used merely as an ornamental system rather than an operative and utilitarian one, and that's because it doesn't do full justice to the biggest value in western socities -- democracy. Now, as you said, democracy is FAR from being a perfect governmental system. But it is the fairest one we've come up with so far in terms of free political participation/representation by/of the people. Monarchy is a lot more centralized in one figure and it also raises questions regarding the legitimacy of the people in charge -- 'cause the successors of a king/queen aren't "voted" in, they're assumed to be suitable for the position by descendancy. I don't think Monarchy is bad per say, just not as adequate to modern societies (in my opinion) as representative and democratic political systems. Edited by Strawberry, Jun 5 2012, 10:07 AM.
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Tim	Jun 5 2012, 11:49 AM Post #5
Forum Royalty Posts: 7,535 Group: Prince Member #4,562 Joined: November 1, 2009 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Hunter x Hunter	I do like the monarchy and support what they're done. But saying that I don't believe giving them back absolute power is the best idea as we have no idea what their offspring will be like further down the track. That being said technically the monarchy do still have a fair bit of power within the UK I believe? It's just that they hand over most of it to parliament? Admittedly if they used said power or something it probably wouldn't go down well. I think the monarchy is doing pretty well as it is, Queen Elizabeth is well liked and has a sharp mind and has done a good time bringing the monarchy into a good position for modern times. She still has meetings with the PM and performs a fair number of important duties - but I think as it is now is for the best. It could get a lot worse if the family changed over time.



* Light	Jun 5 2012, 02:51 PM Post #6
Yo Posts: 5,563 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,705 Joined: October 5, 2007 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom Favourite Manga The Story of Light the Legend by Cal/DBZF Invasion! by Copy_Ninja	A Monarchy is an archaic way to run a country, it's no more than a stone's throw away from being a dictatorship. Don't get me wrong, I quite like the royal family, they usually show great restraint (Except you Phil) and generate a lot of money through tourism but they have little power, as it should be. We vote among us to choose the most able of our peers, who has earned it through hard work rather than being born into a certain family. Democracy isn't foolproof but it's a much better option, It's very hard to be a good leader which is why the PM hasn't actually got an amazing amount of power, it's spread among MPs because no single person can run a country well.



Hugga_Bear	Jun 5 2012, 05:09 PM Post #7
Posts: 197 Group: Member Member #7,072 Joined: December 14, 2011	The Royal Family's greatest trick was convincing us all that they don't do a thing. They're controlling, powerful and have a lot of influence. Take a person and breed them to lead, any person and you'll have a similar result, they're born to be royalty, bred to be royalty, raised to be royalty. In many ways they're imprisoned by their duties. Regardless they wield more power than they'll ever lead you to believe, the Queen may forgo public dismissal of parliamentary decrees (something she can do) but that doesn't mean she sits idle. I dislike having anyone so privileged simply because of bloodlines, I think it's ridiculous to be frank and while there are plenty of examples where we have less control (obviously a kid born into a rich family has a > chance of an easy life) we CAN control this by removing the monarchy. Our system is corrupted enough already, the abundance of wealthy lords owning our land and the Queen sitting at the top, unelected and secretly powerful... Yeah I'm not a fan. Not at all. Say what you will about politicians and their corrupt nature at least we have a chance to throw them out after a few years.



Cal	Jun 5 2012, 08:35 PM Post #8
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	It doesn't matter what form of government anything is, it's about who the people are in the government. The problem is everyone tries to classify each leader as good or bad when there are several different layers to such a subjective term. To answer the question directly, all depends on who's in power.



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