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The Final Settlement: SSJ or SSJ2 Gohan.; No more debating. Who believes what.
Topic Started: Jun 4 2012, 10:44 PM (3,191 Views)
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Darth Pyrus
Jun 5 2012, 12:54 AM
What exactly is this for?

"Go look at this thread. More people think he was Super Saiyan 2 so you're obviously wrong."
No, this thread wasn't for that. This thread was a supposed to be a hub for discussing why people say its SSJ or SSJ2. People could come, see what the crowd thinks, read the posts, and come to a healthy conclusion themselves.
Edited by amsmagic, Jun 5 2012, 02:24 AM.
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Gohan was SSJ2,
I just dont understand if he is capable of using SSJ2 then why wouldn't he use it against someone as powerful as Dabura.
That is just my opinion though.

I do understand why people say he was SSJ
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Jun 5 2012, 02:24 AM
Darth Pyrus
Jun 5 2012, 12:54 AM
What exactly is this for?

"Go look at this thread. More people think he was Super Saiyan 2 so you're obviously wrong."
No, this thread wasn't for that. This thread was a supposed to be a hub for discussing why people say its SSJ or SSJ2. People could come, see what the crowd thinks, read the posts, and come to a healthy conclusion themselves.
It's still begging for debate though. With 17-3 people will discredit the small group ( going by statistics) for believing he was MSSJ.

For the record I believe he was MSSJ vs Dabura.
He was drawn completely as a MSSJ, hair and aura included, though thats not the only piece of proof i have, its very damning evidence.
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I believe he was ssj2, he was ssj2 against kibito, buus egg & picking up the zsword & he looks the same against dabura


Against Kibito: ssj2 aura
Against Dabura: i stated he wasnt at full power
Against Buu egg: while poweringbup you can see.electricity
Pulling out the zsword, you can see the electricity

Ssj2 design all looks the same 2 me in these 4 scenes
Edited by FamousBueller, Jun 5 2012, 12:47 PM.
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I have few questions for those who think that Gohan never used SSJ2 after world tournament :

1. Was Gohan angry infront of Kibito and ofc explanation ?
2. Is there any proof how some character comperes suppressed character with full power character ?
3. Why did Gohan start getting weaker during fight with Dabura ?
4. Why did Gohan relised much more power against Boos shell and still doesnt look like SSJ2 ?
5. Why would he say that he is confident in his speed if he is only SSJ ?

Btw if i get good explanations, i will maybe change my mind but i expect good explanations...
Edited by Super Vegetto, Jun 5 2012, 01:23 PM.
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Jun 5 2012, 12:45 PM
I believe he was ssj2, he was ssj2 against kibito, buus egg & picking up the zsword & he looks the same against dabura


Against Kibito: ssj2 aura
Against Dabura: i stated he wasnt at full power
Against Buu egg: while poweringbup you can see.electricity
Pulling out the zsword, you can see the electricity

Ssj2 design all looks the same 2 me in these 4 scenes

Against Dabura? Not at full power indeed:
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Thus he was only a Ssj1.

Against Buu's egg and pulling out the Z sword? Well, I see no electricity here:
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Nor here:
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Or here:
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Against Buu's shell, I interpret the spikier aura to Gohan powering up for the Kamehameha, but not transforming. It's just the aura flowing faster, you see.

And I believe he was a ssj1 because of the mountain of evidence here, here, and here.
Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 5 2012, 04:06 PM.
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Jun 5 2012, 03:59 PM
FamousBueller
Jun 5 2012, 12:45 PM
I believe he was ssj2, he was ssj2 against kibito, buus egg & picking up the zsword & he looks the same against dabura


Against Kibito: ssj2 aura
Against Dabura: i stated he wasnt at full power
Against Buu egg: while poweringbup you can see.electricity
Pulling out the zsword, you can see the electricity

Ssj2 design all looks the same 2 me in these 4 scenes

Against Dabura? Not at full power indeed:
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Thus he was only a Ssj1.

Against Buu's egg and pulling out the Z sword? Well, I see no electricity here:
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Nor here:
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Or here:
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Against Buu's shell, I interpret the spikier aura to Gohan powering up for the Kamehameha, but not transforming. It's just the aura flowing faster, you see.

And I believe he was a ssj1 because of the mountain of evidence here, here, and here.
Can you answer my questions and prove me Gohan is SSJ ?
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Jun 5 2012, 04:08 PM
Can you answer my questions and prove me Gohan is SSJ ?
Ok then.

answers questions

And then you still won't change your mind. We battle back and forth endlessly and neither of us will budge and we're right back where we started. That's what's going to happen. That's what always happens. There's no point.

Let's just be thankful that we're fans of the greatest manga and anime series ever and forget about the petty squabbles.
Edited by Duper Vegerot, Jun 5 2012, 04:24 PM.
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Jun 5 2012, 04:23 PM
Super Vegetto
Jun 5 2012, 04:08 PM
Can you answer my questions and prove me Gohan is SSJ ?
Ok then.

answers questions

And then you still won't change your mind. We battle back and forth endlessly and neither of us will budge and we're right back where we started. That's what's going to happen. That's what always happens. There's no point.

Let's just be thankful that we're fans of the greatest manga and anime series ever and forget about the petty squabbles.
Not realy. If you can make good explanation of Gohan beeing SSJ from this questions you can solve debate but clearly by statments it still stays that Gohan has more proof to be SSJ2 then SSJ.
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Jun 5 2012, 04:30 PM
Not realy. If you can make good explanation of Gohan beeing SSJ from this questions you can solve debate but clearly by statments it still stays that Gohan has more proof to be SSJ2 then SSJ.
Ok I'll give it a go:

1. Was Gohan angry infront of Kibito and ofc explanation ?
Firstly, what's ofc? But anyway, Gohan witnessed Videl get beat up mere minutes before stepping into the ring with Kibito, and despite Videl being healed, Gohan was still angry at Spopovich for beating her up, so he had the anger to turn Ssj2 once again. Of course, it's not like the first time he turned Ssj2 when he was almost out of control and filled with rage, Gohan just needs an emotional trigger, after that he's in control while Ssj2. At least that's my interpretation.

2. Is there any proof how some character comperes suppressed character with full power character?
Not that I know of, but one strike shouldn't dismiss the whole theory.

3. Why did Gohan start getting weaker during fight with Dabura?
I never thought he was getting weaker during the fight. I mean, sure, he could have been worn down a bit but not very much.

4. Why did Gohan relised much more power against Boos shell and still doesnt look like SSJ2?
Remember when Gohan said, and I'm paraphrasing here: "I'm angry, but not like back then." He wasn't angry enough to go full Ssj2, but did power up a bit when he blasted Buu's shell.

5. Why would he say that he is confident in his speed if he is only SSJ?
There are countless times when a character is confident and is proven wrong later. Gohan's just being cocky, at least that's what I say. The last two guys Babidi sent out were destroyed quickly, so Gohan probably thought Dabura would be weak.
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My conclusion is that Gohan was just concentrating in that one panel. He was rusty, and needed to concentrate. Vegeta said he had gotten weaker, so to me, it makes sense.

Seriously, Gohan was smiling and laughing mere panels before.
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I see. After reading it i still have him as a SSJ2.

You mentioned that he neads some anger to go SSJ2. Ofc he can think on something and get angry which is right.

Yea that strike is never contradicted by manga or daizesnhuu on Daburas bio so i still stay on Dabura = SPC.

Well thing here is that FPSSJ has full control of his power. Dabura stated that Gohan is getting weaker and Goku stated that he was loosing.

So he was angry but not like before, yet you sad that he doesnt nead to be enraged like in Cell games to go SSJ2 on world tournament.

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about gohan needing anger to transform: Cant it simply be assumed that toyirama made a recton about ssj2 for gohan since somebobdy still using ssj as their max power would be patheic at that point?
BTW, Goku said "its not like he's losing".
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Gohan was SSJ2. If Gohan don't have electricity that doesn't mean isn't SSJ2.
- one stand to hair
- SSJ2 aura ( just in 1,2 scenes Gohan have SSJ aura but one stand to hair )
And it's imposible for Gohan to be SSJ.
SSJ Gohan <<<< Dabura.
FP Dabura > Saiyaman SSJ2 > FP Perfect Cell = Dabura >>> MSSJ Kid Gohan >> SSJ Saiyaman
In SSJ , Dabura can one shot Gohan. Also , Gohan breaks Dabura sword , it's clearly in SSJ can't do this.
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Jun 5 2012, 06:20 PM
about gohan needing anger to transform: Cant it simply be assumed that toyirama made a recton about ssj2 for gohan since somebobdy still using ssj as their max power would be patheic at that point?
BTW, Goku said "its not like he's losing".
Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P10.5-6
Context: as Gohan fights Dabra
Vegeta: “Damn it…this is pissing me off! Alright, I’ll finish this!”
Goku: “Don’t, Vegeta! Let [Gohan] do it. It ain’t like he’s completely losing.”

Complitly losing is basicly that he is loosing but still didnt lost.
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