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Jun 3 2012, 05:34 PM Post #16 |
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Heck, even Boo Saga for me. Krillin was living a life of peace with 18, Roshi, and his new daughter while Tien was out training for 7 years. |
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Jun 3 2012, 05:38 PM Post #17 |
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I can say only for EoZ Tien > Krillin but i will rather use Yamchas statment as stated and never contradicted. |
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Jun 3 2012, 05:43 PM Post #18 |
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I just always say that Yamcha didn't see Tien for seven years. That's not contradicted either. Tien said he'd never see them again, and Krillin reiterated it when Goku asked him about Tien at the World Tournament. |
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| Sachiel | Jun 3 2012, 08:21 PM Post #19 |
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Saiyan Saga: Tien Namek/Frieza Saga: Krillin Android Saga: Krillin Cell Saga: Krillin Buu Saga: Tien EoZ: Tien |
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| Muyasuki | Jun 4 2012, 02:12 AM Post #20 |
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Dragonball: Tien by a wide (by original Dragonball standards) margin Saiyan Saga: Tien (Tien's 1830 versus Krillin's 1770 so very narrow margin Freeza Saga: Krillin by very large margin Android/Cell Saga: Krillin by very large margin Buu Saga: Krillin by large margin EoZ: Krillin by narrow to medium margin |
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Jun 4 2012, 02:14 AM Post #21 |
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Krillin in the Boo Saga by a large margin? Alright, I guess Tien's seven year training regimen consisted of lifting a five pound dumbbell once or twice a day, while Krillin just layed back and saw his power level grow for no apparent reason. Sounds perfectly logical and plausible to me. Edited by GridZero, Jun 4 2012, 02:15 AM.
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| HersheyDux | Jun 4 2012, 02:25 AM Post #22 |
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Saiyan Saga: Tenshinhan >= Krillin >>> Yamucha Namek Saga: Krillin (post Guru) >>>>> Tenshinhan (pre King Kai) >>> Yamucha Android Saga: Krillin > Tenshinhan >>> Yamucha Buu Saga: Tenshinhan >= Krillin >>>>>>>>>> Yamucha EoZ: Tenshinhan > Krillin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yamucha, Imo |
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| Muyasuki | Jun 4 2012, 02:34 AM Post #23 |
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I think there is quite a large gap at the end of the Cell Games and I also don't see Tien spending the seven years training intensely enough to bypass the large gap (given his reluctance to enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber prior to the Cell Games (which I did find VERY weird)). I just haven't seen any real evidence that the training that he did wasn't just spiritual nor do I see evidence that all he did during that seven years was training. Given his apparent lack of aging in comparison to the other humans, I lean HEAVILY towards Spiritual meditation and training (as well as normal training). That's not to say that his PL doesn't increase a lot during this time period (cause it does increase more than it logically should), its just not enough to close the gap between him and Krillin at this point. Not to mention his lack of participation in the 25th World Tournament (I used to think they couldn't find him, but it makes more sense that they did find him and he didn't want to participate). Depending on the translation, either Krillin stopped fighting completely after the Cell Games or stopped once he started a family. In either case, it never outright says that he stopped training. Given that he spent most of his natural life as martial artist, I feel it makes a lot of sense that he would continue to train (just not at the same rate as he did prior to the Saiyan's arrivals and during the 3 years Android preparation). There's a vast difference between normal training and training with the intention to seriously fight (as many real life martial artists can attest). WIth that said, much as in the case of Tien, this training increased his power level much more than it logically should have (better stated as plot purposes). Admittingly, large may not have been the best choice of words there. Comfortably would have been a better word. Edited by Muyasuki, Jun 4 2012, 02:36 AM.
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Jun 4 2012, 02:38 AM Post #24 |
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True, Krillin might not have stopped training. Plus, he ultimately did have the better sparring partner (18), but giving Tien 7 years, in my eyes is more than long enough to close the gap. Daiz 7 says Tien went on a training journey, so if it's spiritual or not is up to interpretation. |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 4 2012, 02:43 AM Post #25 |
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I guess it's plausible that Krillin never stopped training completely, since it is never stated. |
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| Muyasuki | Jun 4 2012, 02:48 AM Post #26 |
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I just interpreted it as both (the training journey being both spiritual and physical...not to mention escaping from Launch (even though thats just me wanting to explain where she went)), to be honest. While I do think that 7 years is more then enough to close most gaps, there just wasn't any pressing reason for it to happen. Considering that (and while I don't agree with using the DBZ PL rating for Dragonball) during the 3 years that not one of the Z fighters increased significantly in PL, it seems logical to assume that (without proper reasoning), no character increases in PL without a pressing reason. With the exception of Goku and Vegeta, no character is implied to have made substantial gains or had any reason to make those gains (both wanted to surpass Gohan from the Cell Games). The 7 years between the end of the Cell Games and the beginning of the Buu saga is the only time in which characters make gains without an explicit reason (with the exception of Gohan who is the only character to get either weaker or suffer from significant ring rust to the point in which he SEEMS weaker) (in this case, its heavily based on plot reasons).
Edited by Muyasuki, Jun 4 2012, 02:55 AM.
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| Kblo247 | Jun 4 2012, 04:06 AM Post #27 |
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MY ARGUMENT Saiyan --- - Tien has the higher recorded suppressed power level - Krillin puts out more noted power than any human period when he wipes out the Saibamen - Krillin does better hand to hand with Nappa than Tien did, and the only physical strike that Tien makes throughout the arc is against a Saibamen who he stuns but doesn't knock out and Vegeta ends up killing for not being serious in his attack. Namek ----- - Krillin and Gohan meet goons of Frieza who have to be on par with the Saibamen as they make their powers spike to 1500 in an instant and kills them with one blow. - Tien gets a power boost from King Kai but isn't taught Kaioken like Goku and was still weaker than Piccolo who calls Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta big powers before merger when he touches down. That plays into Vegetas statement that Krillin and Gohan had ever growing power - Krillin gets Guru boost. He goes from like 13k to well over 20k to being enough to fight versus Frieza and Vegeta had already said guys as strong or as weak as monster Zarbon or Goku minus kaioken versus the Ginyus weren't helping in any way when it came to beating Frieza. Androids and Cell (It's less than a month) ---- - Tien gets to stay while Krillin is sent to carry off Yamcha, but that doesn't make him stronger. Gohan was sent away to get Yajirobe and it is already clear that he is next in lime after the ssjs and Piccolo. Goku just sent the two more plot relevant characters throughout Z on missions like he sent them off vs Fireza and Vegeta, only for hem to come back and play a role. It was a common plot device of Piccolo, Vegeta, and Goku to save them, tell them to stay away, and them to later ignore it and save the day by helping in the manga, anime, and movies - Krillin doesn't attack the androids like the others, and he admits part of it was fear and logic as they had just swatted away ssjs. Krillin however does tell the others he asked the androids what were they intending to do. Kami later tells Piccolo that Krillin was right as the androids weren't the aggressors in this timeline, it was the Z team attacking and ganging up on them while they did nothing wrong, and the true evil is Cell. - The argument Kammicolo let's Tien go with him to hunt doesn't matter either because it was Krillin who said they needed to kill that timelines Cell before he grows up and hoes off with Trunks to do so. In fact The whole reason Trunks and Krillin were together was that they Krillin off to help him with al, the strange powers they were feeling from cell, and Gohan was to stand guard as he had the best chance of protecting Goku if the androids showed up anyhow with Trunks, Vegeta, and Piccolo gone - Tien uses his life force to manipulate his ki in the Neo Tribeam. He pushes Semi Cell backward but doesn't hurt him, just holds him in place and passes out. Semi Cell is suppressed as he just transformed - Krillin meets Semi Cell who is at his full power with no restraint after facing Vegeta and Trunks. He goes off and punches him but has no effect. The same for 18 and 16 who were far superior to Tien. The thing is he didn't spam a ki blast, he attacked him head on physcially which you couldn't pay Tien to do to Imperfect Cell Buu ---- - Krillin has settled down and finally got his family he has always dreamed of but it is never said he stopped for 7 straight years, just that when he had settles down with a family which could be the last 4 which since Marron is 3 and that would give them a year to be married and conceive. - Tien trains and closes the gap and surpasses him. - Yamcha makes the famous statement and clarifies it in his head, but if you want you can qualify it as the last time all were together and fought all out was versus the Cell Jrs, which means Krillin was stronger than him and Tien there - Krillin shrugs off opponents superior to Frieza and only gets scared and wants to leave after seeing Dabura who was ssj2 tier. - Tien deflects a blast aimed at Dende with the tri beam and then gets knocked out by half a body and laughed at. Anime and Movies ---- - Saiyan saga filler sees Krillin get complimented by Vegeta when he strikes Nappa and knocks him backward. Vegeta says he has moves, and Krillin replies "of you liked that, you are going to love this" before making a destructo disc that Vegeta has to tell Nappa to dodge at the last minute because he would have been dead. - Gokus journey to Namek filler is very specific. Piccolo out right tells Goku forget about Yamcha and Tien. Don't even waste his time wishing those two to Namek even after King Kai's training. He tells Goku that he, Goku, Gohan, and Krillin are all that is needed to put Frieza and Vegeta in their place on Namek. - Garlic saga shows Krillin, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Gohan have all gotten stronger than they were on Namek and have all been ready to never be in a similar situation where they were so out classed by Frieza. In fact Krillin is shown swearing to the stars "Goku when you return, I'll be ready if you ever need me, I promise" - Imperfect Cell filler shows Krillin encountering Cell and making Cell who has loaded up on bio energy shriek in pain by physically shoulder tackling him. - The wait for the Cell Games filler clearly has Krillin state he is training in the 10 days while Tien and Yamcha give up and don't - Cell Jr fight scene filler is clear as day. Tien is thoroughly out classed in close quarter combat. Krillin on the other hand takes a punch on the jaw, counters with a punch right back in the face of the Cell Jrs, and then dodges all his attacks from that point until Piccolo sneaks in. Then Krillin gets attacked from underneath by a Cell Jr he wasn't even matched up with, while Yamcha and Tien were already getting picked apart. - World tourney training filler shows the fact Krillins pends every morning fighting with 18 just for breakfast, and then every afternoon training hard to impress his wife and daughter. - Krillin in filler also later tells us that Yamcha still trains with him in that 7 year gap, even though he doesn't fight or train as hard as Krillin would like, so Krillin must have continued training after Cell Games too just like Tien and the clown - Krillin in the anime states that he can place in the top 5 with Piccolo, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, and 18 as long as the SSJ rule is in place. Take that at its word for a minute, he thinks he can hand with 5 base saiyans as they knew nothing about the jr division, a super Namek, and his cyborg wife. - Krillin is shown on top of the lookout and he can amd does spar evenly with base Goten which goes with his earlier statement on the ship, they do this while waiting for Trunks to return. - Super Buu escapes filler shoes Krillin say to himself "if Vegeta, Goku, and Gohan can't do it, what chance do I have, but I have to try as I'm the only one who can protect my family and friends" before he attacks and tells the others to try to escape - King Kai, Grand Kai, and Yemma sign off on bypassing check in to get Krillin and Yamcha fast tracked to the Grand Kai's World for training, they are out right said to be Plan B of the saiyans fail. Then they show Yamcha swatting away Olibu and another fighter and proclaiming outloud "these guys can't touch me" and flash to Krillin saying look at the superstar with sarcasm, because he is more powerful than Yamcha as Yamcha had already told Marron eh would never want to fight a serious Krillin in the anime as well. Kid Buu then goes off and looks for SSJ Vegeta and Goku and by scanning for the powers that were the strongest in the universe and arrive right to a pillar where Yamcha and Krillin were sparring at. Krillin then attacks Kid Buu head on, hits him with a deustructo disc that is stated would kill anyone else there was, while the others watch and takes a direct blast, gets up, and Kid Buu actually talks and states Buu squash you like bug. Krillin is stated the strongest in the other world period easily. - There is the Broly movie where Krillin hits Goku in the jaw, floors, him, and makes his haxed base form fresh out the ROSAT say ow. - There is the Bojack movie where Tien fights base Trunks who still tanks the tri beam. - Krillin is shown to be haxed with the boys and 18 vs Bio Broly. They even gave him a golden aura and help in the kill. - Krillin is taken to fight on Namek with Kamicolo, Goku, and Gohan while the others are left behind when it came to fight Meta Cooler. - Krillin is still brought along with Goku to blow up the planet versus Lord Slug. - Krillin swoops in fresh in a Piccolo outfit in Broly returns and takes an attack from Broly but doesn't die versus his LSSJ form. Videl was also über haxed here though as she survived those attacks - Krillin comes with Gohan in World Strongest to save Goku, shows up in Dead Zone, and is berated by Chi Chi to go and help vs 13, 14, and 15 Overall ---- Krillin wins largely because of the fact he is far more relevant and portrayed as the better fighter. He's also respected more and part of the big 5 with Vegeta, Piccolo, Goku, and Gohan throughout most the series. He just got the better treatment because he was more essential to DBZ and being main support, while Tien was more essential as a strong warrior to DB and a special attraction or throw in along with Yamcha and Yajirobe Edited by Kblo247, Jun 4 2012, 04:28 AM.
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| Khiemnd | Jun 4 2012, 10:04 AM Post #28 |
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The Saiyan Saga : Tien>Krillin ( Tien 1830,Krillin 1550) The Android Saga : Tien>>Krillin ( Tien 25.500.000,Krillin 12.000.000) The Boo Saga : Tien>>>Krillin ( Tien 214.200.000,Krillin 92.400.000 ) EoZ : Tien>>>Krillin ( Tien 395.327.520,Krillin 116.146.800 ) Tien is stronger than krillin in any series of Dragon ball. Only reason Krillin>Tien :Krillin is best friend of goku so he is present in most of the series than Tien Edited by Khiemnd, Jun 4 2012, 10:31 AM.
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Jun 4 2012, 01:56 PM Post #29 |
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IIRC, Piccolo was the one who suggested that Tien go with him to find Imperfect Cell. Why he chose Tien over Trunks is beyond me, but why he chose Tien over Krillin is clearer. And Krillin shrugged off Freeza level opponents, while Tien came to help Gohan against Bootenks. He knew how strong Bootenks was in comparison to Super Boo, yet he came to help anyways. Comparing Bootenks to Tien is like comparing an ant to a boot the size of the Earth, so why he got oneshotted isn't a mystery. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 4 2012, 02:10 PM Post #30 |
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So what you pretty much said was nothing to do with Tien's power compared to Krillin's, you just commented on Tien's bravery. |
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