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How weak was Goku fighting Cell Jrs'
Topic Started: Jun 1 2012, 06:48 PM (2,458 Views)
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sorairoday
Jun 1 2012, 09:38 PM
The fight with the Cell Jrs was so epic. I love how Piccolo coordinated everything and helped Tien and Yamcha work together to guard Goku. The one thing that really surprised me was how a Cell Jr turned Vegeta's final flash into this blob of ki and kicked it away. Thought that was ridiculous.
Yeah I agree even for a filler i still thought that was kinda ridiculous how Vegetas most powerful attack could be kicked away like that when it had maimed cell's arm when they fought. I would of been better if Vegeta had actually put more into that specific final flash and destroyed that cell jr he was fighting.
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mystickaioken
Jun 1 2012, 10:25 PM
sorairoday
Jun 1 2012, 09:38 PM
The fight with the Cell Jrs was so epic. I love how Piccolo coordinated everything and helped Tien and Yamcha work together to guard Goku. The one thing that really surprised me was how a Cell Jr turned Vegeta's final flash into this blob of ki and kicked it away. Thought that was ridiculous.
Yeah I agree even for a filler i still thought that was kinda ridiculous how Vegetas most powerful attack could be kicked away like that when it had maimed cell's arm when they fought. I would of been better if Vegeta had actually put more into that specific final flash and destroyed that cell jr he was fighting.
That would have been badass and I would have loved to see Vegeta destroy a cell jr with the Final Flash, but they were just showing the power of the Cell jrs. The Cell that fought Vegeta and got his arm blown off was heavily suppressed. Remember Cell didnt show his full power until after gohan transformed. I think the jrs are slightly above Vegeta at that time. Goku may have been able to kill one if he were at full strength but we will never know.
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Its a little harder to gauge how weak Goku was fighting them in the manga (if I had to make an educated guess, I'd say anywhere between Piccolo and Krillin) but in the anime, I'd say that he's either on the same level as Tien and Yamcha or a little weaker. Fighting Cell took a lot out of him. The extended fight against the Cell Jrs was one of the only filler moments in the anime that I really liked (as I could have used more fights that actually had the whole team fighting at once).
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I honestly feel Goku's weaker than Vegeta & Trunks's ASSJ's as well as Piccolo's Super Namekian powers.
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Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri
Jun 2 2012, 04:46 AM
I honestly feel Goku's weaker than Vegeta & Trunks's ASSJ's as well as Piccolo's Super Namekian powers.
Yes but I think if that was the case he would've gotten out of his MSSJ form when otherwise he was just exhausted

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Jun 2 2012, 04:58 AM
Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri
Jun 2 2012, 04:46 AM
I honestly feel Goku's weaker than Vegeta & Trunks's ASSJ's as well as Piccolo's Super Namekian powers.
Yes but I think if that was the case he would've gotten out of his MSSJ form when otherwise he was just exhausted
MSSJ or FPSSJ is in itself not a transformation, but the perfection of the SSJ. The rage bein the access to SSJ is controlled, thus, gives birth to strategical fightin style, energy bein the precursor of power is conserved, thus, stamina, speed as well as power balance or conservation.

Practically, its a learned state of SSJ & I seriously don't think you could lose certain learned behaviour as in this case, bein out of his MSSJ due to exhaustion.

Simply put, his stamina was runnin low, so in a sense, power, speed & most of his battle output is reduced. My opinions though...
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sorairoday
Jun 1 2012, 09:38 PM
The fight with the Cell Jrs was so epic. I love how Piccolo coordinated everything and helped Tien and Yamcha work together to guard Goku. The one thing that really surprised me was how a Cell Jr turned Vegeta's final flash into this blob of ki and kicked it away. Thought that was ridiculous.
Fillers. Just Vegeta was cell Jr tier.
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suppressed perfect cell 100
mssj goku (full power) 100
cell jr. (full power) 100
assj vegeta (hypothetical) 100
assj trunks (hypothetical) 100
ssj vegeta 67
ssj trunks 67
tired goku 50 or lower
piccolo 13
humans: less than 1 each.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Didn't Cell state that only Vegeta and Trunks were able to fight back the Juniors?

Either way, I have Goku being at half power there, but who knows exactly.
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I think hewas stronger then the humans

But weaker then piccolo by quite a bit
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Cell Jr: 600.
SSjin Vegeta: 500.
SSjin Trunks: 450.
MSSjin Goku: 650.
Exhausted Goku: 130
Piccolo: 250 - 300.
MSSjin Gohan: 750.
Yamcha: 0.2.
Krillin: 0.3.
Tien: 0.4.

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sorairoday
Jun 1 2012, 09:38 PM
The one thing that really surprised me was how a Cell Jr turned Vegeta's final flash into this blob of ki and kicked it away. Thought that was ridiculous.
that was a filler :@ Toei made the deadly final flash who was able to scare the ***** out of Cell so ridiculous to be honest that's made me mad .
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imo

Goku (At Cell Junior): 17
Goku (At Cell): 21
Cell (At Goku): 26
Gohan (At Cell): 31

Piccolo (At Cell Junior): 11
Future Trunks (At Cell Junior): 13
Vegeta (At Cell Junior): 14
Cell Junior (Maximum): 16

Goku was exhausted when fighting Cell Junior.
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So he was very weak then compared to what his powerlevel really was

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Jun 2 2012, 10:14 PM
Didn't Cell state that only Vegeta and Trunks were able to fight back the Juniors?

Either way, I have Goku being at half power there, but who knows exactly.
Chapter: 407 (DBZ 213), P5.3
Context: as the Cell Juniors beat everyone up
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…”
Note: Cell says that “Vegeta ya Trunks” are fighting evenly; ya is a non-exhaustive word for ‘and’, meaning the things listed aren’t necessarily the only things there are to list.

In other words, Cell’s line doesn’t necessarily mean that nobody but Trunks or Vegeta are barly fighting evenly, just that they’re the first examples to come to mind.
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