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Vegeta = Goku
Topic Started: May 31 2012, 09:41 PM (866 Views)
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IIRC, Goku had his potential unlocked in DB via the holy water and King Kai's training helped him quite a bit as well. Many people also believe that attaining SSJ3 unlocked Goku's potential. Whichever way you believe did the job, by Buu saga Goku's potential was unlocked. Babidi unlocked Vegeta's potential with his magIc. In the resulting battle of SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta, it became evident that the two were equal. If Vegeta knew how to transform into SSJ3, the two would be exactly equal.
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I don't think it would of been hard for Vegeta to be even with Ginu if he was a super saiyan 3. I think the harder part would be him achieving it. If he eventually did that would of been a great fight to see wether it was after their super saiyan 2 fight in the Buu saga or their EOZ fight.
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No, because there is no telling how long goku has been an SSj3, he was versed enough in it to know that it was no good on earth without a proper power source.

majin vegetas potential was unlocked through babidis magic its true, but he also went PAST vegetas limits.

so naturally vegeta would have never equaled goku.

when goku went into space it proved the reason WHY even raditz was so much stronger than him when he touched down.

so no, vegeta admitting that goku had it better than he did, is proof enough he couldnt measure up.

otherwise babidi did a good job making vegeta unstoppable.

Not to mention that vegeta didnt truly equal goku, goku trianed to get where he is, and vegeta was under the same effects that kept Spopo from dying with a completely broken neck. Yet died at the hands of babidis magic, who blew him up from the inside.

So there is no real proof at all that vegetas power actually equaled Gokus. Not really.

By gokus own admittance vegetas hand to hand skill was much improved.
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May 31 2012, 09:47 PM
No, because there is no telling how long goku has been an SSj3, he was versed enough in it to know that it was no good on earth without a proper power source.

majin vegetas potential was unlocked through babidis magic its true, but he also went PAST vegetas limits.

so naturally vegeta would have never equaled goku.

when goku went into space it proved the reason WHY even raditz was so much stronger than him when he touched down.

so no, vegeta admitting that goku had it better than he did, is proof enough he couldnt measure up.

otherwise babidi did a good job making vegeta unstoppable.

Not to mention that vegeta didnt truly equal goku, goku trianed to get where he is, and vegeta was under the same effects that kept Spopo from dying with a completely broken neck. Yet died at the hands of babidis magic, who blew him up from the inside.

So there is no real proof at all that vegetas power actually equaled Gokus. Not really.

By gokus own admittance vegetas hand to hand skill was much improved.
So your saying Vegeta should of been defeated or killed by Goku because he was Stronger as a ssj2 but the Majin seal kept Vegeta alive just like spopo with the broken neck and everything else? If that's the case Vegeta is weaker than what I have gave him credit for. There's no hope for him..
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professor_gohan
May 31 2012, 09:55 PM
Ninjajp247
May 31 2012, 09:47 PM
No, because there is no telling how long goku has been an SSj3, he was versed enough in it to know that it was no good on earth without a proper power source.

majin vegetas potential was unlocked through babidis magic its true, but he also went PAST vegetas limits.

so naturally vegeta would have never equaled goku.

when goku went into space it proved the reason WHY even raditz was so much stronger than him when he touched down.

so no, vegeta admitting that goku had it better than he did, is proof enough he couldnt measure up.

otherwise babidi did a good job making vegeta unstoppable.

Not to mention that vegeta didnt truly equal goku, goku trianed to get where he is, and vegeta was under the same effects that kept Spopo from dying with a completely broken neck. Yet died at the hands of babidis magic, who blew him up from the inside.

So there is no real proof at all that vegetas power actually equaled Gokus. Not really.

By gokus own admittance vegetas hand to hand skill was much improved.
So your saying Vegeta should of been defeated or killed by Goku because he was Stronger as a ssj2 but the Majin seal kept Vegeta alive just like spopo with the broken neck and everything else? If that's the case Vegeta is weaker than what I have gave him credit for. There's no hope for him..
IMO, the Majin endurance is about equal to having a "dead body" so the two should cancel out
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Like i said, there isnt any true proof that vegeta actually got as strong as goku. But he was definitely in the "dead" body.

so with goku at full power and vegeta powering up with babidis magic is the reason goku said it would take awhile.

otherwise Spopos neck getting broken says alot about what happened to vegeta under that spell IMHO.

But Goku did say he was even with him in the fighting dept for sure.
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Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gona end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*
Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight a bit
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”

Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…”

Chapter: 473 (DBZ 279), P13.4
Context: after Goku becomes a Super Saiyan 2
Trunks: “Th-that old guy…He has about as much power as papa…”

All sources considered, they were even, and not just in hand-to-hand. But without Babidi pulling the power out from Vegeta, he wouldn't have been Goku's equal.
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May 31 2012, 10:08 PM
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gona end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*
Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight a bit
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”

Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…”

Chapter: 473 (DBZ 279), P13.4
Context: after Goku becomes a Super Saiyan 2
Trunks: “Th-that old guy…He has about as much power as papa…”

All sources considered, they were even, and not just in hand-to-hand. But without Babidi pulling the power out from Vegeta, he wouldn't have been Goku's equal.
So what do you think about them as ssj3s then?
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If you think SSjin 3 unlocks potential, then Vegeta wouldn't get any stronger. He's already past his limit. Goku would stomp him.
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May 31 2012, 10:22 PM
If you think SSjin 3 unlocks potential, then Vegeta wouldn't get any stronger. He's already past his limit. Goku would stomp him.
Tell me what you think ssj3 does. do you think it unlocks potential?
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They'd both be the same at SSJ3. I have Vegeta > Goku during the androids bit, then Goku overtakes and maintains a healthy lead. Babidi's potential unlock is equivalent to the one Goku had and seems to make them roughly equal. I actually have Majin Vegeta as very slightly stronger than Goku because of the charm, Goku may be dead but the charm seems to confer slightly better attributes.

Regardless I have them more or less equal without the transformations from that point on. In base, 1, 2, 3 they'd fight evenly, Goku having SSJ3 is what puts him ahead.
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May 31 2012, 10:08 PM
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gona end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*
Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight a bit
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”

Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…”

Chapter: 473 (DBZ 279), P13.4
Context: after Goku becomes a Super Saiyan 2
Trunks: “Th-that old guy…He has about as much power as papa…”

All sources considered, they were even, and not just in hand-to-hand. But without Babidi pulling the power out from Vegeta, he wouldn't have been Goku's equal.
No problem with this at all.

i just seemed to interpret it different.

babidis magic is formidable. Hands down, it would have literally been impossible for goku to beat vegteta to death after the beating Spopo survived from Videl.

Plus how he did it. Even goku said.

Somethings not right with this guy, hes not normal.

Vegeta agreed.

Then everyone saw it when Videl turned his head around like the exorcist.

Im just saying, i can scan the picture. Thats the kind of power vegeta had behind him.

Goku is no slouch for sure. But he defeinitely meant that vegetas hand to hand skills were on par.

He had no doubt he would beat him. There were no doubts in Gokus mind at all.
Was he surprised at the power outpour? absolutely.
was he surprised vegeta was serious? you bet.

But in the end goku said what he said, and despite vegetas magic boost? Goku proved he wasnt stronger and would never be.

Then vegeta found out about SSJ3.

You want to know why movie 12 connects all the movies Grid Zero?

its because of vegeta...

vegeta in movie 12 is the SAME vegeta that killed himself and was pissed off about Goku turning SSJ3.

Movie 12 connects the movies, because Toei said so.

But otherwise i agree, DP.
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SSJ3 unlocks potential? I never heard of that thing. If that's the case, I honestly doubt Goku's potential capacitance of bein critically inferior in comparison to Gohan's Ultimate form..
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Jun 1 2012, 02:59 AM
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SSJ3 unlocks potential? I never heard of that thing. If that's the case, I honestly doubt Goku's potential capacitance of bein critically inferior in comparison to Gohan's Ultimate form..
You are right. Goku was so much stronger than Gohan as a SSj3.
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In Movie 12 Goku > Vegeta because of Toei. In Movies they maked Goku > Gohan > Vegeta. In Movie 6 for example SSJ Goku and Vegeta was stronger than Super Namekian Piccolo. Toei make that. They have Goku Number 1. But in Buu saga Majin Vegeta was slighty superior than Goku SSJ2. A hypotentical SSJ3 Vegeta can lose againt Goku because Veggie don't know to use this power like Goku. Goku abilityes > Vegeta abilityes.
Majin Vegeta >= Goku SSJ2 because Goku have Dead body and Goku is a better fighter , Vegeta said.
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