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Is Broly stronger than Cell?
Topic Started: May 31 2012, 07:31 PM (10,874 Views)
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Super Vegetto
Jun 2 2012, 12:21 AM
Yea movie 8 is post Rosat but because Vegeta and Trunks use ASSJ is what makes it not beeing post Rosat in manga only.

Anime probably has ASSJ Vegeta and Trunks on Cell games so no wonder they made them like that in movie 8. Also Toei didnt knowed that Gohan > Goku which is the reason someone puts movie 8 middle Rosat, but Goku could be strong like Cell game self.
No he is not. For god sake. Toei worked on movie 8 when Gohan and Goku were in the rosat and Goahn even had his Androids Saga outfit and was the weakest of them. MSSJ Goku was not releaved in the Anime so Goku can't be in the movie. Cell Games were not releaved in the Anime and Toei copied Gohan's look from the Rosat. How can they be Post Rosat if Cell Games levels were not releaved in the Anime? Toei worked on the movie when Gohan and Goku wee in the Rosat. Goku was Semi MSSJ since this is the last form Goku showed before the movie release. End. Also in the Ova Trunks had short hair and which means Trunks and Vegeta were not in the second Rosat and Gohan was also much weaker. The Z Fighters were probably mid rosat since movie 9 is the reference for the Cell Games.

Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri
Jun 2 2012, 12:21 AM
Broly is stronger than Cell, case closed.
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You forget to add evidence in your post. Seriously does that how this site work? Ignoring evidences and just vote for your favorite??
Edited by pakl123456, Jun 2 2012, 06:57 AM.
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Thala na Gethu!

^ If addin reference/evidence/proof is gonna lead to topic goin to some far away land, I'd rather not to. Also, you're not a newbie anymore. Pls understand that you're here to share information, accept the truth, analyze the facts, intepret them.
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Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri
Jun 2 2012, 07:26 AM
^ If addin reference/evidence/proof is gonna lead to topic goin to some far away land, I'd rather not to. Also, you're not a newbie anymore. Pls understand that you're here to share information, accept the truth, analyze the facts, intepret them.
Good, I think SSJ2 Goku>Movie 10 LSSJ Broly>=SPC. At lease I have points which back up my claim.
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Outfit doesnt mean *****. They always change it for someone.

Goku stated on Kamis lookout that he is above Vegeta. Btw this is arriving from time chamber and Gohans concept art from movie 8 :

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Which means they already knowed Goku is above all. Also one more cocnept art for Goku is same like Cell games Goku :

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So proof here is that its post Rosat.
Edited by Super Vegetto, Jun 2 2012, 12:50 PM.
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About those "errors" in the daizenshuu.
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In Gohans Bio it states that Gohan didnt use SSJ 2 after Volume 37 (I believe its that one) which is the end of the bodokai, and hasnt yeat shown the fight with dabura.

Dabura's Bio states Gohan was SSJ 2.

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Yeah, but it's less a retcon and more an example of disagreement between volumes. Daizenshuu 2 only lists high school era SSj2 Gohan as appearing in volume 37, though it doesn't flat-out say that he never uses that form again. Then Daizenshuu 7's bio for Dabra says he fought SSj2 Gohan.

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Another is that it states Recoome killed Gohan... But thats kinda obviously NOT TRUE.
And that recoome's attack was meant to take out all three of them (Veggie , gohan , and Krillin) but was only aimed at Vegeta.

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Note in there. Apparently this is based on Daizenshuu 2's description of one of Recoom's attacks being meant to finish off Vegeta, Kuririn, and Gohan. That description of "meant to finish off" is taken right from the series, where Recoom says "now to finish you off" before firing it. However, its only intended target was Vegeta, and Gohan and Kuririn only got near it because they butted in to save him, so describing it as meant to finish off all three is a little inaccurate. But no, it never says Recoom killed Gohan.

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*Daizenshuu 1 has a pic of 3rd form Freeza, but states it as 2nd Form.

You'd have to show me this since it's an art book and I've only seen the ones with actual dialogue in them.
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*Daizenshuu 2 States SSJ Vegeta appeared in Volume 32 when it was actually 29

Go look again. You were looking at Grade 2 instead of normal Super Saiyan.

http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=04&id=grow_up#link
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" States Kaioshin appeared in Volume 39 when it was 37.

Look again. It does say Volume 37.

http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=06&id=sub_character#link
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" Misses some battles, that may not be considered battles, but includes things like Goku V Fish... Soooo

That's not an error...
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*Daizenshuu 4 states Buu used Goku's Instant Transmission, but it was actually Shin Konido which is Kaioshin's type of teleportation.

Yeah, that would be an error.
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*Daizenshuu 7 Tenshinhan's profile lists one of his battles was against no.19, while it actually was against no.17

That's most likely a typo by Herms and not an actual error in the book.
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" 17 uses Kienzan

No, you're looking at #18's entry right below his. Nowhere does it say #17 knows the Kienzan in any of the books.
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" Goten was born while Goku fought cell

I don't know where you saw this but it's incorrect. The official timeline says Goten was born between June and December of the year of the Cell Games, so it was after.
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[Ref: Year from Daizenshuu 7 and SEG: Character Volume. I’m assuming he’s born after the Cell Games. In Chapter 433 Goten is said to be 7 years old during the 25th TB (in Age 774). The narrator says in Chapter 424 that Goten was left behind “before the battle with Cell”. Many people assume this refers to the 9 days leading up to the Cell Games, though for him to be born in 767 he would have to have been conceived by no later than March, while the Cell Games are said to be in May. I suppose that, as a half-alien hybrid, Goten’s gestation time could have been shorter than 9 months, but I prefer to think “before the battle with Cell” means before the day the androids and Cell appear, which gives a little more leeway. Daizenshuu 4 says Trunks and Goten were born without tails.]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19669
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" Goku's first KHH was used on Tenshinhan, but it was actually Jackie Chun he used it on

You'd have to show me where you saw this. I don't know what you're talking about.
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" Bra born in 780 in one part of the book, and then later stated to be born in 778.

Yeah, that'd be an inconsistency.
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[Ref: Her Daizenshuu 7 bio gives this as her birth year. However, the timelines in Daizenshuu 7 and GT Perfect File Vol.1 give her birth year as Age 780. Lots of people say Bra looks too old to be 9 in GT, and while I don’t necessarily agree, I’m going with this earlier birth year for the hell of it. This makes her 11 in GT, still pretty young.]

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" The timeline has other errors. Like Yamcha meet, and defeat, and so on.

You have to be more specific than that, otherwise you won't get any answers.
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" Its states Goku stayed dead longer than a year for the saiyans, but he was only dead for a little over 11.

This is more an error in the manga itself.
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[Ref: Chapter 195 establishes this as 5 years since the 23rd TB. Chapter 204 says the Saiyans will arrive in 1 year. However, Chapter 209 says Goku takes 6 months to reach Kaio’s while in Chapter 211 Kaio says the Saiyans will arrive in 158 days, putting the exact figure at about 11 months, 8 days. In keeping with that, in Chapter 212 Kame-sennin and Piccolo note that the Saiyans are arriving a month sooner than expected. Daizenshuu 7 dates Raditz’s arrival as October 12th and sets Vegeta and Nappa’s arrival as November 3rd, roughly 13 months instead of 11. Possibly these dates were intended to go the other way around, since that would give about 11 months, then they accidentally got switched at some point. Still, I felt it easier to just change Raditz’s arrival date to be consistent with Vegeta and Nappa arriving Nov 3rd, rather than switch the two dates and have to change all subsequent Saiyan/Namek/Freeza arc dates accordingly.]

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Also dont forget that over the official PL lists from V-Jump, SEG and so on, there are some literaly factual errors, like Piccolo Diamao's 260, despite tenshinhan being 250 at the start of Z and the fact that Weighted Goku from Piccolo Jr being > Piccolo D and Tein being on par with that goku

I wouldn't argue with that. I don't think the V-Jump numbers are too accurate either, but Toriyama didn't do early DB justice when he made the numbers so small at the beginning of Z.

Also, just a little something more from Herms.
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There are various mistakes in the daizenshuu, but when you do the math the daizenshuu are a total of over 1,600 pages, while their mistakes number...I'll be generous to the nay-sayers and go with 32, though I doubt anyone could scrap together that many. Even so, that still gives you 1 mistake for every 50 pages, which is probably a better track record than Kanzentai, God knows.
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