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so then if you have majin vegeta stronger than gohan, who could hurt broly? then why is broly still eating vegeta with no issues? cause gohan killed broly, you remember that dont you?
uhhmm no. Gohan wasn't the only one who killed broly, it was a combined attack. From everyone, you remember that dont you?
no i dont. goku was a ghost and goten didnt do anything.
This movie was about gohan and broly.
the combined attack from everyone isnt what happened.
Gohan fired and goten fired.
Then goku came down and pep talked em like he has been .
They didnt want to die, so they fired harder.
Goten didnt do anything, and neither did trunks.
Gohans power was what matters here, goten and trunks were almost killed.
if it wasnt for gohan he would have a dead girlfriend, brother and cousin. So no, i dont remember the supposed combined attack being worth much.
I havent seen the movie in a long time, but one thing i know for sure. Gohan was getting the piss beaten out of him throughout the whole film and your trying to say after taking all the beating he still managed to kill him in a one on one beam struggle.
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Quote:
Trunks' energy ball creates a barrier between Broly and his giant energy bomb. This prevents Broly from firing more Ki Blast into the bomb to help power it forward."
^^this came form the dragonball wiki sound pretty legit if you ask me. So trunks wasnt entirely useless.
And im pretty sure i saw a kamehameha coming form gokus hand. With that been said gohan didnt kill him alone, he had help and he wouldn't of done it himself.
And that is what i believe!
"Every breath you take is an assault to my honor."
so then if you have majin vegeta stronger than gohan, who could hurt broly? then why is broly still eating vegeta with no issues? cause gohan killed broly, you remember that dont you?
uhhmm no. Gohan wasn't the only one who killed broly, it was a combined attack. From everyone, you remember that dont you?
no i dont. goku was a ghost and goten didnt do anything.
This movie was about gohan and broly.
the combined attack from everyone isnt what happened.
Gohan fired and goten fired.
Then goku came down and pep talked em like he has been .
They didnt want to die, so they fired harder.
Goten didnt do anything, and neither did trunks.
Gohans power was what matters here, goten and trunks were almost killed.
if it wasnt for gohan he would have a dead girlfriend, brother and cousin. So no, i dont remember the supposed combined attack being worth much.
I havent seen the movie in a long time, but one thing i know for sure. Gohan was getting the piss beaten out of him throughout the whole film and your trying to say after taking all the beating he still managed to kill him in a one on one beam struggle.
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Quote:
Trunks' energy ball creates a barrier between Broly and his giant energy bomb. This prevents Broly from firing more Ki Blast into the bomb to help power it forward."
^^this came form the dragonball wiki sound pretty legit if you ask me. So trunks wasnt entirely useless.
And im pretty sure i saw a kamehameha coming form gokus hand. With that been said gohan didnt kill him alone, he had help and he wouldn't of done it himself.
And that is what i believe!
Gohan was able to hold his own no? Wiki also says Gohan lost due to his lack of training and was also able to inflict some damage to Broly so according to wiki SPC can match Movie 10 Broly.
if your opinion is that gohan was beat down the ENTIRE fight? then no wonder you have come to that belief.
i on the other hand think gohan had it handled till broly went LSSJ.
Even then gohan was trying to evade and do broly in, he fought him and he hurt him, broly had him in a reverse bar? gohan POWERED out of it and kicked broly in the face, by this time broly was NOT laughing.
so if you didnt watch the same fight i did? no wonder you feel this way.
you didnt see it for what it is, you saw it to watch gohan get beat up, which didnt even happen all that bad.
Broly may have owned gohan strength wise, but essentially got beat up.
The beam struggle was powered by gohan about 80-90%
denying this probably means that you didnt like how the movie ended. With gohan winning, AGAIN.
Lets face it people if they were the same size? gohan would have won. Him going SSj2 to brolys SSj would have been overkill, its why he fought him in base form.
Thinking the strongest saiyan rule bleeds over into manga anime territory ISNt wrong, but at the same time doesnt hold water, as the movie is a stand alone, and they can do what they want.
Thinking brolys eats ANy SSj2 in movie 8 is all hype and no proof.
Just because it wasn't revealed in the manga doesn't mean that Toei didn't know about it.
How do you think Toei animated DBZ so quickly? Why do you think there's so much filler?
So Toei also knew about Buu Saga levels right? I guess the Z fighters are that level now. Toei never knew since Toriyama simply didn't decide how to end the Cell Games. AT is quick in his work , he even changed Goku as the hero in the Buu Saga in the middle of the Saga. Also this is what the producer said:
Supposedly dead, Broli continued to be revived in two movies, "The Dangerous Duo!!~" and "Super-Warrior Defeat!!~". Broli is the first enemy to appear three times in the movies. We asked the producer Mori*****a Kouzou the reason for this... "Broli was just that strong, so at the end of "Burn Up!!~", I figured he wasn't dead. At any rate, it's because he was set up as the strongest Saiyan." If you think about Goku and Vegeta's life force, I guess you can also grasp the tenaciousness of the Legendary Super Saiyan Broli?
Now, how does it prove Broly>SSJ2?? Broly was the strongest at his time like any movie villian. It's obvious what the producer said. He said he made a new movie since he wanted Broly to be stronger in movie 10 than the last villians who appeared in the Anime. Hence thew new villians surpass the last ones like Hatchiyack and Movie 8 Broly. Movie 10 Broly surpassed SPC and that's all. Gohan didn't get taht owned by Broly. A total stomp IMO is like SSJ2 Gohan when he beat Perfect Cell. Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan and had to be serious.
Base Hatchiyack is also above Movie 8 Broly. You do realize Hatchiyack is probably Perfect Cell'a level right???
That isn't even the quote I'm talking about.
The producer is talking about Movie 8, and he says that Broly is the strongest Saiyan, period.
Ninjap
if your opinion is that gohan was beat down the ENTIRE fight? then no wonder you have come to that belief.
i on the other hand think gohan had it handled till broly went LSSJ.
Even then gohan was trying to evade and do broly in, he fought him and he hurt him, broly had him in a reverse bar? gohan POWERED out of it and kicked broly in the face, by this time broly was NOT laughing.
so if you didnt watch the same fight i did? no wonder you feel this way.
you didnt see it for what it is, you saw it to watch gohan get beat up, which didnt even happen all that bad.
Broly may have owned gohan strength wise, but essentially got beat up.
The beam struggle was powered by gohan about 80-90%
denying this probably means that you didnt like how the movie ended. With gohan winning, AGAIN.
Broly got beat up? I don't think we were watching the same fight.
Gohan manages to land a whopping two hits on Broly. One of which is completely tanked.
Here's the entire video to refresh your memory. Broly died in a beam struggle, and I honestly don't have an issue with that. But to say that Gohan beat Broly, with no beam struggle is a bit absurd.
Just because it wasn't revealed in the manga doesn't mean that Toei didn't know about it.
How do you think Toei animated DBZ so quickly? Why do you think there's so much filler?
So Toei also knew about Buu Saga levels right? I guess the Z fighters are that level now. Toei never knew since Toriyama simply didn't decide how to end the Cell Games. AT is quick in his work , he even changed Goku as the hero in the Buu Saga in the middle of the Saga. Also this is what the producer said:
Supposedly dead, Broli continued to be revived in two movies, "The Dangerous Duo!!~" and "Super-Warrior Defeat!!~". Broli is the first enemy to appear three times in the movies. We asked the producer Mori*****a Kouzou the reason for this... "Broli was just that strong, so at the end of "Burn Up!!~", I figured he wasn't dead. At any rate, it's because he was set up as the strongest Saiyan." If you think about Goku and Vegeta's life force, I guess you can also grasp the tenaciousness of the Legendary Super Saiyan Broli?
Now, how does it prove Broly>SSJ2?? Broly was the strongest at his time like any movie villian. It's obvious what the producer said. He said he made a new movie since he wanted Broly to be stronger in movie 10 than the last villians who appeared in the Anime. Hence thew new villians surpass the last ones like Hatchiyack and Movie 8 Broly. Movie 10 Broly surpassed SPC and that's all. Gohan didn't get taht owned by Broly. A total stomp IMO is like SSJ2 Gohan when he beat Perfect Cell. Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan and had to be serious.
Base Hatchiyack is also above Movie 8 Broly. You do realize Hatchiyack is probably Perfect Cell'a level right???
That isn't even the quote I'm talking about.
The producer is talking about Movie 8, and he says that Broly is the strongest Saiyan, period.
Ninjap
if your opinion is that gohan was beat down the ENTIRE fight? then no wonder you have come to that belief.
i on the other hand think gohan had it handled till broly went LSSJ.
Even then gohan was trying to evade and do broly in, he fought him and he hurt him, broly had him in a reverse bar? gohan POWERED out of it and kicked broly in the face, by this time broly was NOT laughing.
so if you didnt watch the same fight i did? no wonder you feel this way.
you didnt see it for what it is, you saw it to watch gohan get beat up, which didnt even happen all that bad.
Broly may have owned gohan strength wise, but essentially got beat up.
The beam struggle was powered by gohan about 80-90%
denying this probably means that you didnt like how the movie ended. With gohan winning, AGAIN.
Broly got beat up? I don't think we were watching the same fight.
Gohan manages to land a whopping two hits on Broly. One of which is completely tanked.
Here's the entire video to refresh your memory. Broly died in a beam struggle, and I honestly don't have an issue with that. But to say that Gohan beat Broly, with no beam struggle is a bit absurd.
Nowhere was it said he is the strongest in movie 8. The producer said he made another Movie Broly and set him up as the strongest saiyan. How can he be the strngest saoyan in movie 8 if the producer realized that after movie 8?? That means he wanted to make him the strongest in movie 10 (stronger than anyone who appeared before). This is also the quote. Movie 10 Broly only surpassed SPC. Broly also got a huge zenkai in order to beat the weakest SSJ2 ever.
Just because it wasn't revealed in the manga doesn't mean that Toei didn't know about it.
How do you think Toei animated DBZ so quickly? Why do you think there's so much filler?
So Toei also knew about Buu Saga levels right? I guess the Z fighters are that level now. Toei never knew since Toriyama simply didn't decide how to end the Cell Games. AT is quick in his work , he even changed Goku as the hero in the Buu Saga in the middle of the Saga. Also this is what the producer said:
Supposedly dead, Broli continued to be revived in two movies, "The Dangerous Duo!!~" and "Super-Warrior Defeat!!~". Broli is the first enemy to appear three times in the movies. We asked the producer Mori*****a Kouzou the reason for this... "Broli was just that strong, so at the end of "Burn Up!!~", I figured he wasn't dead. At any rate, it's because he was set up as the strongest Saiyan." If you think about Goku and Vegeta's life force, I guess you can also grasp the tenaciousness of the Legendary Super Saiyan Broli?
Now, how does it prove Broly>SSJ2?? Broly was the strongest at his time like any movie villian. It's obvious what the producer said. He said he made a new movie since he wanted Broly to be stronger in movie 10 than the last villians who appeared in the Anime. Hence thew new villians surpass the last ones like Hatchiyack and Movie 8 Broly. Movie 10 Broly surpassed SPC and that's all. Gohan didn't get taht owned by Broly. A total stomp IMO is like SSJ2 Gohan when he beat Perfect Cell. Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan and had to be serious.
Base Hatchiyack is also above Movie 8 Broly. You do realize Hatchiyack is probably Perfect Cell'a level right???
That isn't even the quote I'm talking about.
The producer is talking about Movie 8, and he says that Broly is the strongest Saiyan, period.
Ninjap
if your opinion is that gohan was beat down the ENTIRE fight? then no wonder you have come to that belief.
i on the other hand think gohan had it handled till broly went LSSJ.
Even then gohan was trying to evade and do broly in, he fought him and he hurt him, broly had him in a reverse bar? gohan POWERED out of it and kicked broly in the face, by this time broly was NOT laughing.
so if you didnt watch the same fight i did? no wonder you feel this way.
you didnt see it for what it is, you saw it to watch gohan get beat up, which didnt even happen all that bad.
Broly may have owned gohan strength wise, but essentially got beat up.
The beam struggle was powered by gohan about 80-90%
denying this probably means that you didnt like how the movie ended. With gohan winning, AGAIN.
Broly got beat up? I don't think we were watching the same fight.
Gohan manages to land a whopping two hits on Broly. One of which is completely tanked.
Here's the entire video to refresh your memory. Broly died in a beam struggle, and I honestly don't have an issue with that. But to say that Gohan beat Broly, with no beam struggle is a bit absurd.
you go to far, and if reading a post all thee way is an issue, then maybe i should shorten them.
I didnt say gohan beat up broly, i said he essentially did, meaning that if they were the same size broly would have been owned.
a whopping two hits means more than most else, i all i see broly doing is laughing and shooting. he didnt really knockdown drag out with gohan either.
from the way gohan got away from brolys hold shows how strong he really was.
Have someone stronger than you do the same move to you broly did to gohan, then you will see what needs to be had in order to get out of it.
if gohan was that weak? he wouldnt have done what he did. So minimizing his accomplishment is whats absurd. He fought the hulk and won. Its a big deal. Even superman has issues with people bigger than him. he always has to wai for the right moment, cause despite however tall? they cant take a punch to the jaw.
But just for arguments sake? lets say gohan did nothing and got smashed down so hard he couldnt get up. if that were true? then whats the point in the beam struggle?
so does the opinion gohan got his come from after he was too tired to fight in SSJ? cause that seems to be when broly has a huge advantage.
Otherwise i think gohan did pretty good, especially for taking him head on.
The producer quote is something i know about. I just dont think it spills into the main series. One movie all of a sudden doesnt just get to determine how the storyline goes.
Nor does it determine whether or not broly can beat an SSj2 in movie 8. especially not after being beat up by a goku who is only as strong as goku vs Cell.
so does the opinion gohan got his come from after he was too tired to fight in SSJ? cause that seems to be when broly has a huge advantage.
To be honest, I have no idea if he was really tired.
Him beating Broly, in a beam struggle doesn't even make sense. If he's too tired for SSJ, then where'd he find the energy to beat him in a beam struggle?
You saw this fight, lol. How, other than by hax Toei logic, would anyone be able to beat Broly if they weren't helped?
It has about the same credibility as Goku being owned for the entirety of Movie 8, yet winning because Toei needed him to.
If you think about it, it's true.
Edit: Still can't find the producer's quote about Broly. I do know it exists though, and it's about Movie 8. Help, anyone?
Gohan fared much better against Broly. I just showed you the quote. And I can't see how was it haxed.. Broly's death in movie 10 is like Cell's. There is no haxed here.
Ninjajp247
May 28 2012, 05:35 PM
especially not after being beat up by a goku who is only as strong as goku vs Cell.
if your opinion is that gohan was beat down the ENTIRE fight? then no wonder you have come to that belief.
i on the other hand think gohan had it handled till broly went LSSJ.
Even then gohan was trying to evade and do broly in, he fought him and he hurt him, broly had him in a reverse bar? gohan POWERED out of it and kicked broly in the face, by this time broly was NOT laughing.
so if you didnt watch the same fight i did? no wonder you feel this way.
you didnt see it for what it is, you saw it to watch gohan get beat up, which didnt even happen all that bad.
Broly may have owned gohan strength wise, but essentially got beat up.
The beam struggle was powered by gohan about 80-90%
denying this probably means that you didnt like how the movie ended. With gohan winning, AGAIN.
Lets face it people if they were the same size? gohan would have won. Him going SSj2 to brolys SSj would have been overkill, its why he fought him in base form.
Thinking the strongest saiyan rule bleeds over into manga anime territory ISNt wrong, but at the same time doesnt hold water, as the movie is a stand alone, and they can do what they want.
Thinking brolys eats ANy SSj2 in movie 8 is all hype and no proof.
Now your saying gohan was ssj against broly? thats just ridiculous, as you even admit gohan only landed only two hits on broly and i agree what GridZero said broly did tank one hit effortlessly. Then why didnt he go ssj2? if his life depended on it.
The whole idea of gohan only hitting broly twice, just proves how much gohan got pummeled. If you watch the fight you could also tell broly was just toying around.
Now to talk about the beam struggle if Gohan really did power 80-90% of the beam struggle as you say then were was all that power when the actual fight was happening.
"Every breath you take is an assault to my honor."
if your opinion is that gohan was beat down the ENTIRE fight? then no wonder you have come to that belief.
i on the other hand think gohan had it handled till broly went LSSJ.
Even then gohan was trying to evade and do broly in, he fought him and he hurt him, broly had him in a reverse bar? gohan POWERED out of it and kicked broly in the face, by this time broly was NOT laughing.
so if you didnt watch the same fight i did? no wonder you feel this way.
you didnt see it for what it is, you saw it to watch gohan get beat up, which didnt even happen all that bad.
Broly may have owned gohan strength wise, but essentially got beat up.
The beam struggle was powered by gohan about 80-90%
denying this probably means that you didnt like how the movie ended. With gohan winning, AGAIN.
Lets face it people if they were the same size? gohan would have won. Him going SSj2 to brolys SSj would have been overkill, its why he fought him in base form.
Thinking the strongest saiyan rule bleeds over into manga anime territory ISNt wrong, but at the same time doesnt hold water, as the movie is a stand alone, and they can do what they want.
Thinking brolys eats ANy SSj2 in movie 8 is all hype and no proof.
Now your saying gohan was ssj against broly? thats just ridiculous, as you even admit gohan only landed only two hits on broly and i agree what GridZero said broly did tank one hit effortlessly. Then why didnt he go ssj2? if his life depended on it.
The whole idea of gohan only hitting broly twice, just proves how much gohan got pummeled. If you watch the fight you could also tell broly was just toying around.
Now to talk about the beam struggle if Gohan really did power 80-90% of the beam struggle as you say then were was all that power when the actual fight was happening.
Broly was not toying. Gohan was able to hold his own and his blows obviously hurt Gohan. When Broly grabbed Gohan, he was shown serious and angry.
4:50 PM Jul 13