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Why Gohan was a SSJ vs Dabura
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Topic Started: May 25 2012, 01:28 PM (35,114 Views)
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May 29 2012, 07:06 PM
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- May 29 2012, 07:01 PM
Dabura wasn't much stronger than Gohan at all. In the part of the fight we actually saw Gohan was holding his own pretty well, so Dabura may have simply not been hitting Gohan enough.
Btw the energy for the cocoon isn't equal to Fat Buu's power. Unless you think Fat Buu is only double Gohan's strength. Gohan was unable to touch Dabura the whole fight and was hardly breathing after the fight was over.
Chapter: 459 (DBZ 265), P2.2-3 Badidi: “How about it, Dabra? Just to be sure, do you have confidence that you can defeat that Earthling [Gohan]?” Dabra: “Naturally. I fought him a little bit before, after all. There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that.”
Dabura said Gohan was trash and he can take care of him without any doubt. Why would he call Gohan trash if Gohan was close to his level. Again, SSJ2 Gohan was able too fill almost half of the needed energy. Not even Dabura was able to inflict a big damage to Buu's cacoon. That proves Gohan was a SSJ.
He was over 2x stronger than Gohan and yor point is?? The fact that SSJ2 Gohan filled almost half of the needed energy proves he should of done a noticable damage when he fought Dabura but he never did which proves he was a SSJ.
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May 29 2012, 07:12 PM
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Gohan was unable to touch Dabura the whole fight and was hardly breathing after the fight was over.
I didn't say Gohan was in control of the fight or anything, just that from what we saw Dabura wasn't getting many hits in.
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Dabura said Gohan was trash and he can take care of him without any doubt. Why would he call Gohan trash if Gohan was close to his level. Again, SSJ2 Gohan was able too fill almost half of the needed energy. Not even Dabura was able to inflict a big damage to Buu's cacoon. That proves Gohan was a SSJ.
Well we saw a good chunk of the fight and we can easily tell that Dabura wasn't leagues above Gohan. Either he was holding back or he's simply making an empty boast.
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May 29 2012, 07:20 PM
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Gohan was unable to touch Dabura the whole fight and was hardly breathing after the fight was over.
I didn't say Gohan was in control of the fight or anything, just that from what we saw Dabura wasn't getting many hits in. - Quote:
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Dabura said Gohan was trash and he can take care of him without any doubt. Why would he call Gohan trash if Gohan was close to his level. Again, SSJ2 Gohan was able too fill almost half of the needed energy. Not even Dabura was able to inflict a big damage to Buu's cacoon. That proves Gohan was a SSJ.
Well we saw a good chunk of the fight and we can easily tell that Dabura wasn't leagues above Gohan. Either he was holding back or he's simply making an empty boast. He was since he called Gohan trash and it doesnt matter since SSJ2 Adult Gohan should inflict a big damage to Buu's cacoon as he filled almost half of the needed energy. That proves Gohan was a SSJ. It's really reaally simple.
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May 29 2012, 07:25 PM
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He was since he called Gohan trash and it doesnt matter since SSJ2 Adult Gohan should inflict a big damage to Buu's cacoon as he filled almost half of the needed energy. That proves Gohan was a SSJ. It's really reaally simple.
Why would Gohan be inflicting Damage to the Cocoon? It only works when Dabura hits Gohan, not that it even happened much from what we saw. The meter will only rise when Dabura hits Gohan, and he didn't do much of that.
Also the ball may not have been empty when Gohan's energy was put in, that's the point I was trying to make before. Fat Buu is too strong for SSj2 Gohan's energy to put it up to half already by itself.
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May 29 2012, 07:39 PM
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I know it's not really that important to the thread, but am I the only one who has realized that the threads advocating that Gohan was SSJ are always more controversial (as in 9 extra pages more controversial) than the threads advocating that Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabra?
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May 29 2012, 07:49 PM
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- May 29 2012, 07:39 PM
I know it's not really that important to the thread, but am I the only one who has realized that the threads advocating that Gohan was SSJ are always more controversial (as in 9 extra pages more controversial) than the threads advocating that Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabra? MSSJ or SSj2 threads both usually get a lot of replies.
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May 29 2012, 08:00 PM
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- May 29 2012, 06:25 PM
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Statments ? You have 8 pages to read. I dont see reason to type same thing all over again.
LOL. Yoi can read my post when I proved he was a SSJ. The only one who brought some nice point was Teen Gohan Z but it was also couterable. I don't remember you showing an evidence I have not debunked yet. Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy like it did when Gohan's ki was given to Babidi, Dabura said he can easily beat Gohan implying Gohan was much weaker than Dabyra yet Dabura was unable to inflict any damage to the cacoon. Gohan was a SSJ and there is no proof he was a SSJ since he simply was not. I can't understand why is it so complicated. Gohan asked goku about how to access SSj2 right before the fight.
Then goku and vegeta were talking and goku asked WHY gohan was ONLY in SSJ mode, and vegeta told him he wasnt. he had lost power.
From what in the manga can you find evidence to counter this conversation besides just wanting to argue?
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May 29 2012, 08:01 PM
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He was since he called Gohan trash and it doesnt matter since SSJ2 Adult Gohan should inflict a big damage to Buu's cacoon as he filled almost half of the needed energy. That proves Gohan was a SSJ. It's really reaally simple.
Why would Gohan be inflicting Damage to the Cocoon? It only works when Dabura hits Gohan, not that it even happened much from what we saw. The meter will only rise when Dabura hits Gohan, and he didn't do much of that. Also the ball may not have been empty when Gohan's energy was put in, that's the point I was trying to make before. Fat Buu is too strong for SSj2 Gohan's energy to put it up to half already by itself. Babidi said he filled almost half of the energy needed. Why wouldn't Dabura attack Gohan if the same Babidi told him they need to revive Buu as soon as possible? Again Gohan barely did any damage to the cacoon even when he was struggling abd about to attack Dabura even with the sword. Gohan was simply SSJ as all the evidences prove so.
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May 29 2012, 08:03 PM
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Statments ? You have 8 pages to read. I dont see reason to type same thing all over again.
LOL. Yoi can read my post when I proved he was a SSJ. The only one who brought some nice point was Teen Gohan Z but it was also couterable. I don't remember you showing an evidence I have not debunked yet. Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy like it did when Gohan's ki was given to Babidi, Dabura said he can easily beat Gohan implying Gohan was much weaker than Dabyra yet Dabura was unable to inflict any damage to the cacoon. Gohan was a SSJ and there is no proof he was a SSJ since he simply was not. I can't understand why is it so complicated.
Gohan asked goku about how to access SSj2 right before the fight. Then goku and vegeta were talking and goku asked WHY gohan was ONLY in SSJ mode, and vegeta told him he wasnt. he had lost power. From what in the manga can you find evidence to counter this conversation besides just wanting to argue? That was fanmade not from the Manga. It was similiar to DBZ multiveres. Besides Vegeta was angry and said "why wouldn't he been unless you talked about the Cell you fought?"
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May 29 2012, 08:03 PM
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Babidi said he filled almost half of the energy needed. Why wouldn't Dabura attack Gohan if the same Babidi told him they need to revive Buu as soon as possible? Again Gohan barely did any damage to the cacoon even when he was struggling abd about to attack Dabura even with the sword. Gohan was simply SSJ as all the evidences prove so.
I didn't say Dabura wasn't attacking him, I said he wasn't getting many hits in, that much was shown to us.
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May 29 2012, 08:05 PM
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Statments ? You have 8 pages to read. I dont see reason to type same thing all over again.
LOL. Yoi can read my post when I proved he was a SSJ. The only one who brought some nice point was Teen Gohan Z but it was also couterable. I don't remember you showing an evidence I have not debunked yet. Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy like it did when Gohan's ki was given to Babidi, Dabura said he can easily beat Gohan implying Gohan was much weaker than Dabyra yet Dabura was unable to inflict any damage to the cacoon. Gohan was a SSJ and there is no proof he was a SSJ since he simply was not. I can't understand why is it so complicated.
Gohan asked goku about how to access SSj2 right before the fight. Then goku and vegeta were talking and goku asked WHY gohan was ONLY in SSJ mode, and vegeta told him he wasnt. he had lost power. From what in the manga can you find evidence to counter this conversation besides just wanting to argue?
That was fanmade not from the Manga. It was similiar to DBZ multiveres. Besides Vegeta was angry and said "why wouldn't he been unless you talked about the Cell you fought?" Huh? thats directly from the manga, ill scan it in, wth are you talking about?
I dont indulge in fan fiction.
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May 29 2012, 08:05 PM
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Ugh, let this guy be. He's going to say Gohan was SSJ no matter what, so why bother trying anymore?
If he's going to deny statements from Daizenshuu, then there's no way any of us are getting to him.
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May 29 2012, 08:07 PM
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Babidi said he filled almost half of the energy needed. Why wouldn't Dabura attack Gohan if the same Babidi told him they need to revive Buu as soon as possible? Again Gohan barely did any damage to the cacoon even when he was struggling abd about to attack Dabura even with the sword. Gohan was simply SSJ as all the evidences prove so.
I didn't say Dabura wasn't attacking him, I said he wasn't getting many hits in, that much was shown to us. Yes, but if Gohan was a SSJ2 and Dabura (who can easily beat him implying he was much stronger) at the very least had to donate a great amount of energy. Babidi told Dabura to do his bst. Gohan was struggling against his sword. That pretty much has to donate a lot of energy. Gohan specifically talked about the SSJ2 level which proves he was a SSJ.
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May 29 2012, 08:07 PM
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- May 29 2012, 08:05 PM
Ugh, let this guy be. He's going to say Gohan was SSJ no matter what, so why bother trying anymore?
If he's going to deny statements from Daizenshuu, then there's no way any of us are getting to him. Yeah lol. After 9 pages the people who thought he was MSSJ still think he's MSSj and the people who thought he was SSj2 still think he's SSj2. These topics never change anyone's opinion.
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Yes, but if Gohan was a SSJ2 and Dabura (who can easily beat him implying he was much stronger) at the very least had to donate a great amount of energy. Babidi told Dabura to do his bst. Gohan was struggling against his sword. That pretty much has to donate a lot of energy. Gohan specifically talked about the SSJ2 level which proves he was a SSJ.
Gohan doesn't "Donate" energy. The egg only gets energy when Gohan is hit.
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May 29 2012, 08:09 PM
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- May 29 2012, 08:05 PM
Ugh, let this guy be. He's going to say Gohan was SSJ no matter what, so why bother trying anymore?
If he's going to deny statements from Daizenshuu, then there's no way any of us are getting to him. Wow. The Daiz contradicts itself about Gohan vs Dabura since Daiz 7 says he was a SSJ2 but Daiz 2 says he only went SSJ2 vs Kibito. Everyone knows it. The Daiz contradicts itself and is unrealible. You sir are ignoring statements in the Manga.
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- May 29 2012, 08:05 PM
Gohan doesn't "Donate" energy. The egg only gets energy when Gohan is hit. - Quote:
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Yet, Gohan hit Dabura in the first panel and it did nothing to Buu's cacoon. He hit him again and it did him nothing, Proof he was a SSJ, if he was a SSJ2 when he hit Dabura so the cacoom would b overflowing with energy
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