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Why Gohan was a SSJ vs Dabura
Topic Started: May 25 2012, 01:28 PM (35,115 Views)
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We got 2 opinions :

1. Those who think that Gohan is SSJ2 because of statments.

2. Those who think that Gohan is SSJ because he lacks SSJ2 characteristics.

I go by statments which means i am for 1.


So which one you choose ?
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May 29 2012, 06:11 PM
We got 2 opinions :

1. Those who think that Gohan is SSJ2 because of statments.

2. Those who think that Gohan is SSJ because he lacks SSJ2 characteristics.

I go by statments which means i am for 1.


So which one you choose ?
What?? What statements?? I have shown at least 5 statements which prove he was a SSJ. There is almost zero proof he was a SSJ2. Show me those statements please. :o
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Statments ? You have 8 pages to read. I dont see reason to type same thing all over again.
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No, your logic has a flaw.

If Gohan was a Super Saiya-Jin 2 he'd have destroyed Dabra FAR quicker. So Boo couldn't gain any energy at all.


Oh, and about his hidden power... rage boost is what brings out Gohan's inner potential.
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May 29 2012, 06:15 PM
Statments ? You have 8 pages to read. I dont see reason to type same thing all over again.
LOL. Yoi can read my post when I proved he was a SSJ. The only one who brought some nice point was Teen Gohan Z but it was also couterable. I don't remember you showing an evidence I have not debunked yet.

Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy like it did when Gohan's ki was given to Babidi, Dabura said he can easily beat Gohan implying Gohan was much weaker than Dabyra yet Dabura was unable to inflict any damage to the cacoon.

Gohan was a SSJ and there is no proof he was a SSJ since he simply was not. I can't understand why is it so complicated.
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May 29 2012, 06:25 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:15 PM
Statments ? You have 8 pages to read. I dont see reason to type same thing all over again.
LOL. Yoi can read my post when I proved he was a SSJ. The only one who brought some nice point was Teen Gohan Z but it was also couterable. I don't remember you showing an evidence I have not debunked yet.

Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy like it did when Gohan's ki was given to Babidi, Dabura said he can easily beat Gohan implying Gohan was much weaker than Dabyra yet Dabura was unable to inflict any damage to the cacoon.

Gohan was a SSJ and there is no proof he was a SSJ since he simply was not. I can't understand why is it so complicated.
But your arguments are counterable as well.
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Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy

I said that it was just because Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than Gohan.

Just because your points are counterable doesn't mean I don't acknowledge them as evidence though.
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May 29 2012, 06:28 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:25 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:15 PM
Statments ? You have 8 pages to read. I dont see reason to type same thing all over again.
LOL. Yoi can read my post when I proved he was a SSJ. The only one who brought some nice point was Teen Gohan Z but it was also couterable. I don't remember you showing an evidence I have not debunked yet.

Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy like it did when Gohan's ki was given to Babidi, Dabura said he can easily beat Gohan implying Gohan was much weaker than Dabyra yet Dabura was unable to inflict any damage to the cacoon.

Gohan was a SSJ and there is no proof he was a SSJ since he simply was not. I can't understand why is it so complicated.
But your arguments are counterable as well.
For example
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Herms says Buu's cacoon was overflowing with energy because Goku and Vegeta used SSJ2. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2 if he was so the cacoon would be overflowing with ebergy

I said that it was just because Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than Gohan.

Just because your points are counterable doesn't mean I don't acknowledge them as evidence though.
Wrong! It clearly refers to the SSJ2 level. Not only that but SSJ2 Gohan's ki was able to fill almost half of the needed energy so his ki must inflict a huge damage to Buu's cacoon. Dabura was also much stronger than Gohan and his ki barely did any damage to the cacoon. Hence this is a proof he was a SSJ. That's not the only point I posted.
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Wrong! It clearly refers to the SSJ2 level.


Okay then if we're gonna be like that I'll just say all your counterarguments to everyone else's evidence is wrong....
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May 29 2012, 06:39 PM
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Wrong! It clearly refers to the SSJ2 level.


Okay then if we're gonna be like that I'll just say all your counterarguments to everyone else's evidence is wrong....
What do you mean? Gohan said the reason they were inflicting that damage was because they were fighting at the SSJ2 level . If it was their power so Gohan would have said "their huge power causes a huge damade" but he talked about the form. Dabura was much stronger than Gohan and logically has to inglict a big damage to the cacoon but he never did.
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May 29 2012, 06:42 PM
If it was their power so Gohan would have said "their huge power causes a huge damade"
He did. It was the very second part of his sentence
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If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”
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You're wrong here. If you think that SSJin Gohan was even with Dabura, SSJin 2 would have stomped him without receiving damage, bro.
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May 29 2012, 06:43 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:42 PM
If it was their power so Gohan would have said "their huge power causes a huge damade"
He did. It was the very second part of his sentence
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If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”
But he said "If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!” because they were fighting as SSJ2. SSJ2 Gohan should inlict a ;pt of damage to the cacoon since he filled half of the needed energy and Dabura was much stronger and barely did any damage. Gohan was a SSJ.
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May 29 2012, 06:46 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:43 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:42 PM
If it was their power so Gohan would have said "their huge power causes a huge damade"
He did. It was the very second part of his sentence
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If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”
But he said "If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!” because they were fighting as SSJ2. SSJ2 Gohan should inlict a ;pt of damage to the cacoon since he filled half of the needed energy and Dabura was much stronger and barely did any damage. Gohan was a SSJ.
This is the thing, it's all about how you interpret Gohan's sentence.

You think it means "If two SSj2 powers clash the damage is astounding"
While I think it means "If SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Vegeta's powers clash the damage is astounding"
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May 29 2012, 06:49 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:46 PM
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May 29 2012, 06:43 PM
pakl123456
May 29 2012, 06:42 PM
If it was their power so Gohan would have said "their huge power causes a huge damade"
He did. It was the very second part of his sentence
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If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”
But he said "If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!” because they were fighting as SSJ2. SSJ2 Gohan should inlict a ;pt of damage to the cacoon since he filled half of the needed energy and Dabura was much stronger and barely did any damage. Gohan was a SSJ.
This is the thing, it's all about how you interpret Gohan's sentence.

You think it means "If two SSj2 powers clash the damage is astounding"
While I think it means "If SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Vegeta's powers clash the damage is astounding"
He said when thise two big powers (SSJ2) clash the damage is astounding. He talked about the SSJ2 vaguely. Gohan doesn't even know how strong SSJ2 Vegeta was since the same Goku was surprised so my point still holds. You also seem to ignore my point when Gohan and Dabura were barely able to donate any energy to Buu's cacoon. Dabura was much stronger than SSJ2 Adult Gohan and he has to inflict a massive damage. SSJ2 Adult Gohan filled half of the needed energy and he didn't do ***** when he fought Dabura. This is a final proof he was a SSJ.
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Dabura wasn't much stronger than Gohan at all. In the part of the fight we actually saw Gohan was holding his own pretty well, so Dabura may have simply not been hitting Gohan enough.

Btw the energy for the cocoon isn't equal to Fat Buu's power. Unless you think Fat Buu is only double Gohan's strength.
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