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Why Gohan was a SSJ vs Dabura
Topic Started: May 25 2012, 01:28 PM (35,116 Views)
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May 29 2012, 03:30 PM
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I have shown many facts from the Manga and I still hsven't seen any evidence proves Gohan was a SSJ2. He had an angry expression when he transformed.

Yes you did post facts. I also posted facts for SSj2, 10 of them in fact. It's not my fault if you choose to ignore all 10 of them. Also most people have an angry expression when they transform such as Goten for Gohan, I already pointed this out in this very same topic to you.

I don't even try to sway people's opinions on this matter, I feel like MSSj and SSj2 are both very believable answers with supporting evidence for both. But to claim he was a MSSJ as a fact and say there's nothing at all to support SSj2 is just wrong.

Edit: Btw guys even if you believe Kibito didn't restore all of Gohan's ki (Which I don't believe myself, imo he restored it to full) he took a senzu bean right before fighting Buu, so any lack of power can't really be used as evidence.
I actually said everyone exept of you showed no evidence to me. The only good point I remember you saying is when Kaioshin told Kibito that he doen't know how strong they were which can also be twisted to fit into soeone's view. Correct me if you showed other evidences but le's face it. The evidences for Gohan being SSJ overpower the evidences for his SSJ2 form. There are barely evidences for him to be SSJ2. Jusr saying, regradless. hw had no lightening and had only SSJ aura, I mean what more evidence do you need?
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May 29 2012, 03:59 PM
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May 29 2012, 01:21 PM
Yes, Gohan was clearly angry, after he smiled at his classmates, and then was having a calm talk with Kibito.

Oh, and hey, Majin Vegeta had a couple panels with no lightning, AFTER he'd eaten a Senzu Bean. Then he goes to fight Boo, and he has lightning. Your argument is crumbling.

I think it's time to pull out this gif. now.

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I don't think he was SSjin 2 there. I think he used up so much energy fighting Goku that he regressed to SSjin for that moment of "peace," and then powered back up to SSjin 2 after having his Ki revitalized. His auras before and after powering up look nothing alike. His aura before looks SSjin, like before he started fighting, and his aura after looks SSjin 2, like when he was SSjin 2, I guess.
I agree 100%
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Why would he go SSJ if he planed to eat senzu bean ? Did you even noticed that Goku is lying down SSJ2 ?

Btw Vegetas aura changes all the time in fight against Majin boo. Does that mean that he goes from SSJ to SSJ2 in every 2 panels ? No.
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May 29 2012, 04:07 PM
Why would he go SSJ if he planed to eat senzu bean ? Did you even noticed that Goku is lying down SSJ2 ?

Btw Vegetas aura changes all the time in fight against Majin boo. Does that mean that he goes from SSJ to SSJ2 in every 2 panels ? No.
Maybe it wasn't voluntary, I dunno, but it would make no sense for him to be drawn with the completely wrong aura for no reason. His aura only changes in the Boo fight after Boo lands some huge attack on him (I think the big explosion), and even then, he retains the lightning and the aura still looks more SSjin 2 than SSjin.

I don't think it makes sense for Gohan to be a SSjin 2 during Videl's match and a SSjin 2 during his match with Kibito. He was drawn completely differently in both instances, save for the single strand of hair over his face (not the thickness, but the fact that he has only one). When he transformed during Videl's match, he was clearly enraged, and that was before anybody explicitly stated that he'd gotten a ton weaker over the years. If lightning equaled power, and he was a SSjin 2 in both instances, he should've had lightning during Videl's match and not while facing Kibito, unless you believe he was more enraged in the latter instance. Plus, like I said, it'd be redundant for there to be so much emphasis on his only confirmed SSjin 2 transformation if he'd just done it in front of everybody ten minutes earlier.

Every confirmed instance of SSjin 2 had lightning in the aura, plus a more intense aura. Yes, there are a few panels of Kid Gohan lacking lightning in his fight with Cell, but I'm almost positive most of those are when he's performing a high-velocity melee attack, which is completely different than lacking lightning and the correct aura for an entire fight. It could have also been a mistake here or there, which Toriyama is not invulnerable to (see Base Gotenks' hair being white moments before transforming in the RoSaT), and lightning looks like it can be a tedious thing IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not posing my line of reasoning as fact. You can believe whichever side you want. I'm just defending my opinion on the matter, and it's getting kind of annoying seeing people acting like they were there when Toriyama drew the manga.
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May 29 2012, 04:07 PM
Why would he go SSJ if he planed to eat senzu bean ? Did you even noticed that Goku is lying down SSJ2 ?

Btw Vegetas aura changes all the time in fight against Majin boo. Does that mean that he goes from SSJ to SSJ2 in every 2 panels ? No.
Goku was lying as a SSJ2 but had no aura. The panels when Vegeta had no lightening is because he was weakened and a SSJ2 has lightening when he is at full power. Again he was a SSJ, end of story. Why didn't he have lightening the whole fight ?and he was even at full power.
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May 29 2012, 04:19 PM
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May 29 2012, 04:07 PM
Why would he go SSJ if he planed to eat senzu bean ? Did you even noticed that Goku is lying down SSJ2 ?

Btw Vegetas aura changes all the time in fight against Majin boo. Does that mean that he goes from SSJ to SSJ2 in every 2 panels ? No.
Maybe it wasn't voluntary, I dunno, but it would make no sense for him to be drawn with the completely wrong aura for no reason. His aura only changes in the Boo fight after Boo lands some huge attack on him (I think the big explosion), and even then, he retains the lightning and the aura still looks more SSjin 2 than SSjin.

I don't think it makes sense for Gohan to be a SSjin 2 during Videl's match and a SSjin 2 during his match with Kibito. He was drawn completely differently in both instances, save for the single strand of hair over his face (not the thickness, but the fact that he has only one). When he transformed during Videl's match, he was clearly enraged, and that was before anybody explicitly stated that he'd gotten a ton weaker over the years. If lightning equaled power, and he was a SSjin 2 in both instances, he should've had lightning during Videl's match and not while facing Kibito, unless you believe he was more enraged in the latter instance. Plus, like I said, it'd be redundant for there to be so much emphasis on his only confirmed SSjin 2 transformation if he'd just done it in front of everybody ten minutes earlier.

Every confirmed instance of SSjin 2 had lightning in the aura, plus a more intense aura. Yes, there are a few panels of Kid Gohan lacking lightning in his fight with Cell, but I'm almost positive most of those are when he's performing a high-velocity melee attack, which is completely different than lacking lightning and the correct aura for an entire fight. It could have also been a mistake here or there, which Toriyama is not invulnerable to (see Base Gotenks' hair being white moments before transforming in the RoSaT), and lightning looks like it can be a tedious thing IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not posing my line of reasoning as fact. You can believe whichever side you want. I'm just defending my opinion on the matter, and it's getting kind of annoying seeing people acting like they were there when Toriyama drew the manga.
This. THIS.

I couldn't agree more...
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May 29 2012, 04:19 PM
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May 29 2012, 04:07 PM
Why would he go SSJ if he planed to eat senzu bean ? Did you even noticed that Goku is lying down SSJ2 ?

Btw Vegetas aura changes all the time in fight against Majin boo. Does that mean that he goes from SSJ to SSJ2 in every 2 panels ? No.
Maybe it wasn't voluntary, I dunno, but it would make no sense for him to be drawn with the completely wrong aura for no reason. His aura only changes in the Boo fight after Boo lands some huge attack on him (I think the big explosion), and even then, he retains the lightning and the aura still looks more SSjin 2 than SSjin.

I don't think it makes sense for Gohan to be a SSjin 2 during Videl's match and a SSjin 2 during his match with Kibito. He was drawn completely differently in both instances, save for the single strand of hair over his face (not the thickness, but the fact that he has only one). When he transformed during Videl's match, he was clearly enraged, and that was before anybody explicitly stated that he'd gotten a ton weaker over the years. If lightning equaled power, and he was a SSjin 2 in both instances, he should've had lightning during Videl's match and not while facing Kibito, unless you believe he was more enraged in the latter instance. Plus, like I said, it'd be redundant for there to be so much emphasis on his only confirmed SSjin 2 transformation if he'd just done it in front of everybody ten minutes earlier.

Every confirmed instance of SSjin 2 had lightning in the aura, plus a more intense aura. Yes, there are a few panels of Kid Gohan lacking lightning in his fight with Cell, but I'm almost positive most of those are when he's performing a high-velocity melee attack, which is completely different than lacking lightning and the correct aura for an entire fight. It could have also been a mistake here or there, which Toriyama is not invulnerable to (see Base Gotenks' hair being white moments before transforming in the RoSaT), and lightning looks like it can be a tedious thing IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not posing my line of reasoning as fact. You can believe whichever side you want. I'm just defending my opinion on the matter, and it's getting kind of annoying seeing people acting like they were there when Toriyama drew the manga.
Gohan was enraged during Videls match. He went SSJ Enraged so only reason for his hair to have one bang + i preffer saving real SSJ2 characteristics for main event.

Gohan against Kibito clearly wasnt enraged.

This debate clearly doesnt go anywhere. AT clearly messed up.
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I don't think he messed up.

It was probably just easier for him to draw Gohan like that. It saved ink, and time.
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wait...gohan went ssj2 for kibit at videl vs spopo. so where did that come from?

gohan asked his dad how to reaccess SSj2 and goku told him through his rage.

doesnt get more clear..

toriyama changed gohans look for a reason, he cut his hair again.
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May 29 2012, 05:53 PM
Darth Pyrus
May 29 2012, 04:19 PM
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May 29 2012, 04:07 PM
Why would he go SSJ if he planed to eat senzu bean ? Did you even noticed that Goku is lying down SSJ2 ?

Btw Vegetas aura changes all the time in fight against Majin boo. Does that mean that he goes from SSJ to SSJ2 in every 2 panels ? No.
Maybe it wasn't voluntary, I dunno, but it would make no sense for him to be drawn with the completely wrong aura for no reason. His aura only changes in the Boo fight after Boo lands some huge attack on him (I think the big explosion), and even then, he retains the lightning and the aura still looks more SSjin 2 than SSjin.

I don't think it makes sense for Gohan to be a SSjin 2 during Videl's match and a SSjin 2 during his match with Kibito. He was drawn completely differently in both instances, save for the single strand of hair over his face (not the thickness, but the fact that he has only one). When he transformed during Videl's match, he was clearly enraged, and that was before anybody explicitly stated that he'd gotten a ton weaker over the years. If lightning equaled power, and he was a SSjin 2 in both instances, he should've had lightning during Videl's match and not while facing Kibito, unless you believe he was more enraged in the latter instance. Plus, like I said, it'd be redundant for there to be so much emphasis on his only confirmed SSjin 2 transformation if he'd just done it in front of everybody ten minutes earlier.

Every confirmed instance of SSjin 2 had lightning in the aura, plus a more intense aura. Yes, there are a few panels of Kid Gohan lacking lightning in his fight with Cell, but I'm almost positive most of those are when he's performing a high-velocity melee attack, which is completely different than lacking lightning and the correct aura for an entire fight. It could have also been a mistake here or there, which Toriyama is not invulnerable to (see Base Gotenks' hair being white moments before transforming in the RoSaT), and lightning looks like it can be a tedious thing IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not posing my line of reasoning as fact. You can believe whichever side you want. I'm just defending my opinion on the matter, and it's getting kind of annoying seeing people acting like they were there when Toriyama drew the manga.
Gohan was enraged during Videls match. He went SSJ Enraged so only reason for his hair to have one bang + i preffer saving real SSJ2 characteristics for main event.

Gohan against Kibito clearly wasnt enraged.

This debate clearly doesnt go anywhere. AT clearly messed up.
He never messed up. I also find it annoying when you people keep ignoring my post and the fact that Gohan had the same hair as a SSJ and SSJ2 in the time of the world tourment besides Toriyama kept the SSJ2 transformation for Gohan's gight vs Kibito when it was the first and last time Gohan ever went SSJ2. This is why he was a SSJ vs Dabura since he had SSJ characteristics. Still waiting for your proof to show Gohan was a SSJ2............. :o_O:
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May 29 2012, 06:00 PM
I don't think he messed up.

It was probably just easier for him to draw Gohan like that. It saved ink, and time.
I don't think Toriyama is that lazy. Hell when Gohan was fighting Buu he didn't draw sparks on Gohan but at the exact same time Goku and Vegeta had sparks.
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May 29 2012, 06:00 PM
I don't think he messed up.

It was probably just easier for him to draw Gohan like that. It saved ink, and time.
Why would he want to show SSJ Gohan's chracteristics if he was SSJ2?? :o_O:
He was a SSJ. End.

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May 29 2012, 06:00 PM

I don't think Toriyama is that lazy. Hell when Gohan was fighting Buu he didn't draw sparks on Gohan but at the exact same time Goku and Vegeta had sparks.

Exactly. He was a SSJ.
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Can I give you my point? Can I?


Kaioshin knew Gohan's full power, because he saw him as a Super Saiya-Jin 2 at the Budokai. So if Gohan was a Super Saiya-Jin, Kaioshin would probably have told him to go all out so Boo couldn't gain energy.

That's just my opinion obv. <3
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that energy for buu thing is slippery slope, because feeding buu energy was the reason goku wanted to keep the fight with vegeta to a minimum. But at the same time kibit and supreme kai wanted gohans energy to lure spopo and yamu.

So they could lead them to babidi.
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May 29 2012, 06:07 PM
Can I give you my point? Can I?


Kaioshin knew Gohan's full power, because he saw him as a Super Saiya-Jin 2 at the Budokai. So if Gohan was a Super Saiya-Jin, Kaioshin would probably have told him to go all out so Boo couldn't gain energy.

That's just my opinion obv. <3
Of anything, he should have told him to not go SSJ2 so he won't gain energy but Kaioshin actually told Gohan to get angry like Goku told him. Gohan even said he might beat Buu if he reaches his full power and his full power is his SSJ2.
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